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Post by jimed14 on Jul 23, 2017 19:39:08 GMT -5
I'm confused about how they have room for both Marrero and Holt with Devers up. That probably doesn't last long.
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Post by patford on Jul 23, 2017 20:09:42 GMT -5
I love this move. If Devers, like many first time call-ups, goes on an adrenaline fueled hot streak I think it might invigorate the whole offense.
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Post by station13 on Jul 23, 2017 20:48:34 GMT -5
I'm confused about how they have room for both Marrero and Holt with Devers up. That probably doesn't last long. They are a bench short with Travis down.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 23, 2017 21:14:19 GMT -5
Well. This is what folks wanted, hope it goes well. Congrats to the young man. Here's to a long successful career.
I don't think this is all that DD has for the offense moves. Where does that leave Lin?
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 23, 2017 21:22:57 GMT -5
Does Boston keep both Lin and Marrero? Would seem only one would remain. Has a decision been made on that? Would Holt's production & health be a factor in who sticks with Boston? I love it that DD didn't dump more prospects for a short-term veteran bandaid. Let's face it - third base has been a wasteland. It's not like some stud has suffered a season-ending injury and we need to replace that production. The bar isn't high... Or maybe holt Gasp, I think lin is the more versatile, in that he can kinda play outfield. Or maybe I just imagined that and like the lefty swing and hit tool.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 23, 2017 21:42:13 GMT -5
I am no baseball expert, just a fan. I've been following the sox very closely since 1995 and this is one of the most uninspiring offenses I have ever seen. The lack of slugging and home runs is appalling. For that reason, I am estactic with this call up. I think Devers style of hitting could bring much needed energy into his Red Sox offense. The way I would describe the 2017 Red Sox offense is "punch and Judy". We need Power! Looking forward to his bat. I think his fielding will be good enough not to handicap them. At the plate, Devers will bring extreme value.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 23, 2017 23:05:21 GMT -5
I assume this means Rutledge goes back to Colorado. *tears* This is my absolutely most excited time as a Red Sox fan - when a prospect I've been following for years makes the majors. Welcome to the club, jimed. The Red Sox yearbook back in the 60's used to list "Promising Newcomers" in the back and you could hear them play in radio broadcasts of ST games. I can't find my stash and figure out who my Devers was, but not long after there was Billy Rohr, who was going to be the LHSP savior and looked like it for a game or two, fifty years ago. It seems like just a few years ago that Devers was putting up that ridiculous line in the DSL, got promoted stateside, and continued the demolition. Oh, it was -- just three years ago. That was just a year after Mookie came out of nowhere, and it was simultaneous to Mookie proving it hadn't been a fluke. Mookie was promoted to MLB on 6/28/14 and Devers was promoted to the GCL just 5 days later, on 7/3. Those were heady daydreaming times. So far, so good. If you'd predicted in May of 2013 when Mookie started annihilating the SAL that he'd be in Boston by next July, you would have been branded insane. Pegging Devers for MLB in another 3 years and 3 weeks after leaving the Dominican isn't anywhere as extreme -- it's just the fastest conceivable sane assertion.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 23, 2017 23:19:58 GMT -5
I knew it. As much as I've...critiqued...DD for his gestalt approach, I thought that this was where he was leaning, and here it is. Next move I'm pretty sure is a quality reliever, taking on an unfavorable/costly contract for relatively low return cost.
Ecstatic for Devers. Welcome to the stage, kid.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 24, 2017 0:06:03 GMT -5
I'm confused about how they have room for both Marrero and Holt with Devers up. That probably doesn't last long. They were carrying an extra pen arm and only had a 3 man bench. Sending Martin down brings it back to normal. <-------My avatar pretty much says what I think about the call up..
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Post by oilcan73 on Jul 24, 2017 3:14:30 GMT -5
This is worthy shot at filling the hole at 3B, but it still won't solve he glaring need for an upgrade at the cleanup spot. I am still perplexed at how Farrell continues to have Betts hit lead off despite being our best run producer. He needs to be in the 3 or 4 spot to make more of an impact.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2017 9:20:29 GMT -5
We already have a trade deadline thread. Let's keep this one to Devers. Thanks.
EDIT: I moved some trade deadline discussion to that thread.
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Post by sdl on Jul 24, 2017 10:42:03 GMT -5
I am thinking we know what the price for Moustakis was. I give this DD credit for not trading him away. Now the OTHER DD would've dealt him away. Lou Gorman for sure.
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Post by sdl on Jul 24, 2017 10:44:36 GMT -5
I assume this means Rutledge goes back to Colorado. *tears* This is my absolutely most excited time as a Red Sox fan - when a prospect I've been following for years makes the majors. Welcome to the club, jimed. The Red Sox yearbook back in the 60's used to list "Promising Newcomers" in the back and you could hear them play in radio broadcasts of ST games. I can't find my stash and figure out who my Devers was, but not long after there was Billy Rohr, who was going to be the LHSP savior and looked like it for a game or two, fifty years ago. The late, great Luis Alvarado comes to mind
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 24, 2017 11:14:25 GMT -5
Chris Hatfield I was listening to the podcast , I always look forward to listening while I cut my grass, I like the little debate with Ian about Moncada vs Devers. Was this an actually option for the Red Sox in the deal for Sale or just a debate? Sorry if I missed it on the podcast.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 24, 2017 11:22:52 GMT -5
I am thinking we know what the price for Moustakis was. I give this DD credit for not trading him away. Now the OTHER DD would've dealt him away. Lou Gorman for sure. Traded from Montreal for the Spaceman.
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Post by sdl on Jul 24, 2017 12:26:11 GMT -5
I give this DD credit for not trading him away. Now the OTHER DD would've dealt him away. Lou Gorman for sure. Traded from Montreal for the Spaceman. I have always held those two hacks Clif & Claf as partially responsible for us getting Stan Papi....
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Jul 24, 2017 15:38:58 GMT -5
Per Red Sox.com, Devers has been assigned a low number, Buchholz's old No. 11, rather than a number in the seventies like some of their other recent rookies. They either think he'll stick, or they're looking to move some authentic game uniforms with DEVERS 11 on the back.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 24, 2017 15:46:51 GMT -5
Per Red Sox.com, Devers has been assigned a low number, Buchholz's old No. 11, rather than a number in the seventies like some of their other recent rookies. They either think he'll stick, or they're looking to move some authentic game uniforms with DEVERS 11 on the back. Then why not start with #70-something, sell some of those, then pull the rug out with a change to #11 next year?
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Post by dd on Jul 24, 2017 16:47:08 GMT -5
Per Red Sox.com, Devers has been assigned a low number, Buchholz's old No. 11, rather than a number in the seventies like some of their other recent rookies. They either think he'll stick, or they're looking to move some authentic game uniforms with DEVERS 11 on the back. Then why not start with #70-something, sell some of those, then pull the rug out with a change to #11 next year? My favorite Sox T-shirt is Bogaerts with a 72. I was asked at Fenway once if it was a mistake.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 24, 2017 17:04:01 GMT -5
Do you guys think he still has a shot at winning the AL Rookie of the year? 'Cause I'm convinced he'll win it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2017 17:26:59 GMT -5
Do you guys think he still has a shot at winning the AL Rookie of the year? 'Cause I'm convinced he'll win it. He has a way to go to catch Judge.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 24, 2017 20:44:06 GMT -5
Great news. A little surprising, I thought it would be a little while yet, but we'll take it. In town to visit friends, family, and to catch the games. The NW contingent is here in force with Sox gear everywhere.
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Post by sdl on Jul 24, 2017 22:57:23 GMT -5
Per Red Sox.com, Devers has been assigned a low number, Buchholz's old No. 11, rather than a number in the seventies like some of their other recent rookies. They either think he'll stick, or they're looking to move some authentic game uniforms with DEVERS 11 on the back. Then why not start with #70-something, sell some of those, then pull the rug out with a change to #11 next year? They gave Tzu-Wei Lin #5..and he's back with the PawSox.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2017 15:05:09 GMT -5
Since 1985, Devers is only the fourth 19 or 20 y/o 3B to be called up before September. The good news is that the previous three guys were Aramis Ramirez, Adrian Beltre (at 19), and Miguel Cabrera. The further good news is that all three of those guys had less high-minors experience than Devers' 77 games: 47, 64, and 69. Ramirez skipped AA and the other two skipped AAA. The bad news is that the trio put up wRC+ of 70, 75, and 106. I think the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that if Devers struggles a bit, it means nothing long-term. Much more info here at Fangrapjs, as linked by Alex Speier.Now some added value. According to Clay Davenport's translations, here's what the quartert did, MLE-wise, before their call-up. Numbers are EqA. .246 Ramirez .291 Beltre .313 Cabrera .300 Beltre I'm going to edit this with a study of how age, DTs and high minor experience predict MLB performance.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2017 16:27:06 GMT -5
If Devers gets 100 PA, he'll be the 20th guy since 1985 to be called up at age 20 after 100+ PA that year in the minors.
(Almost all of the 19 year-olds greatly underperformed their DT's, so I excluded them. Call it the Andruw-Beltre-Uptons-Trout effect.)
Here's where Devers ranks in terms of ml performance:
Season Name ml MLB PA 2010 Gianca. Stanton .333 .290 396 2015 Carlos Correa .315 .310 432 1985 Jose Canseco .313 .300 100 2003 Miguel Cabrera .313 .269 346 2017 Rafael Devers .300 ? ? 2010 Starlin Castro .286 .270 506 2009 Ferna. Martinez .281 .194 100 1991 Jim Thome .277 .238 104 1992 Willie Greene .277 .278 104 2006 Delmon Young .276 .266 131 1986 Ruben Sierra .263 .262 411 2016 Raul Mondesi .263 .206 149 2002 Carl Crawford .253 .234 278 1996 Luis Castillo .252 .238 180 2003 Jose Reyes .249 .274 292 2004 Jose Lopez .249 .217 218 1989 Sammy Sosa .248 .242 203 1998 Aramis Ramirez .246 .223 275 2014 Rougned Odor .238 .256 417 2010 Ruben Tejada .221 .232 255 The correlation of the square of the MLE EqA to the MLB EqA for the previous 19 guys is .62 (p = .004). If you raise the minimum PA to 150, it's R = .78, p < .002.
The regression predicts Devers for a .271 or .275 DT EqA, respectively. Right now, Benintendi's at .274.
Edit: removed more low-PA outliers.
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