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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2017 18:05:12 GMT -5
Do you guys think he still has a shot at winning the AL Rookie of the year? 'Cause I'm convinced he'll win it. He has a way to go to catch Judge. He could do it with a .380 BA and maybe 35 HRs from August on. "You mean there is a chance?"
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Post by dewey1972 on Jul 25, 2017 19:48:17 GMT -5
Chris Mitchell's KATOH projection system projects about a 45% chance (my estimate) of Devers accumulating 20+ WAR in his first six years in the majors. The system has him as the sixth best prospect in the minors. Also in Mitchell's post, Clay Davenport's fielding numbers have Devers as three runs above average defensively this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2017 20:39:34 GMT -5
ESPN Stats & InfoVerified account @espnstatsinfo 20m20 minutes ago More Rafael Devers is starting at third base tonight; he'll be youngest redsox position player since Luis Alvarado in 1969.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 25, 2017 20:44:35 GMT -5
He has a way to go to catch Judge. He could do it with a .380 BA and maybe 35 HRs from August on. "You mean there is a chance?" That's what I'm talking about: I like your spirit brother SaraSoxer
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2017 8:29:59 GMT -5
If they send this guy down after acquiring Nunez it's basically a war crime.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 27, 2017 9:28:01 GMT -5
If they send this guy down after acquiring Nunez it's basically a war crime. Poor Mines in a way. With the knowledge of most Redsox fans and most of the people following Devers, Nunez is going to have to do a lot of the little things that other places to win our "hearts and Minds"
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 27, 2017 9:54:25 GMT -5
If they send this guy down after acquiring Nunez it's basically a war crime. Poor Mines in a way. With the knowledge of most Redsox fans and most of the people following Devers, Nunez is going to have to do a lot of the little things that other places to win our "hearts and Minds" You are infinitely overestimating "the knowledge of most Redsox fans". Eduahdo Nunez is hittin .300, he's good.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2017 10:01:56 GMT -5
Chris Hatfield I was listening to the podcast , I always look forward to listening while I cut my grass, I like the little debate with Ian about Moncada vs Devers. Was this an actually option for the Red Sox in the deal for Sale or just a debate? Sorry if I missed it on the podcast. To recap: - It was reported at the time that the White Sox asked for Devers and were told no. Based on the way it was written in the article (which I vaguely recall and would've guessed anyway was written by Speier), it read to me at least that it was the White Sox asking for him as the third player in a deal already built around Moncada and Kopech, and that the clubs eventually settled on Ax. Basabe and Diaz instead, which was infinitely more reasonable. - Many people read that article and thought it meant the Sox were willing to deal Moncada <stop> and were not willing to deal Devers <stop>. I.e., they preferred Devers to Moncada. I still stand by the fact that this was not how the article read, and at the time kind of raged against the dying of the light in pointing this out. - Based on what I've heard since then, I now understand the latter position to be the actual case: the club was willing to trade Moncada and not willing to trade Devers. The point I made on the podcast was that as much as I freaking love Devers (see, e.g., hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/3/4/834aa9b205323bc7/2016-0725.mp3?c_id=12303135&expiration=1501172894&hwt=2fe951c1737932b8ba76f1f91502e5c1), if this was for any other reason than that they didn't think they had a spot for Moncada because they didn't think he could play third, then I disagree with that assessment. As Ian said, Devers might have the higher floor of the two, but my point is that I think Moncada has super-duper-star potential while Devers "merely" has superstar potential. But it's more of a debate over a beer where it doesn't matter than an actual gripe on my part.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2017 11:20:23 GMT -5
Jason MastrodonatoVerified account @jmastrodonato 10m10 minutes ago Devers will hit at the bottom of the order to start. Farrell indicates platoon with Marrero, who has been exceptional vs lefties. Scott LauberVerified account @scottlauber 10m10 minutes ago Dombrowski: As #RedSox kept discussing possible trades for third basemen, player-development staff kept saying Devers is ready. We'll see.Jason MastrodonatoVerified account @jmastrodonato 11m11 minutes ago Dombrowski said trade options at the corner clearly haven't been great. Front office felt like they could get at least as much from the kid. Pete AbrahamVerified account @peteabe 14m14 minutes ago Dombrowski acknowledged the move is rebated to the 3B market being limited and/or too pricey I am thinking we know what the price for Moustakis was. Sorry to pull this out from page one, but just to make a point, Moustakas isn't getting dealt. The Royals are 1.5 games behind Cleveland in the Central now after winning their 8th in a row and would be in the wild card game if the season ended today. They're more likely to buy than sell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 11:42:48 GMT -5
I am thinking we know what the price for Moustakis was. Sorry to pull this out from page one, but just to make a point, Moustakas isn't getting dealt. The Royals are 1.5 games behind Cleveland in the Central now after winning their 8th in a row and would be in the wild card game if the season ended today. They're more likely to buy than sell. Just to add to Chris's comment: As a Kansas City resident, I can tell you that everything I've heard from sports writers/radio personalities and interviews with GM Dayton Moore is that the Royals will make one more playoff push with their core players intact. Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, Escobar, and Vargas are all FAs at the end of this year and it's unlikely the Royals can keep them all. Royals are buyers for sure.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 28, 2017 0:38:30 GMT -5
Poor Mines in a way. With the knowledge of most Redsox fans and most of the people following Devers, Nunez is going to have to do a lot of the little things that other places to win our "hearts and Minds" You are infinitely overestimating "the knowledge of most Redsox fans". Eduahdo Nunez is hittin .300, he's good. "Devahs needs a translator still send him down" aka the Koji treatment (by a select few Sox fans"
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Post by despo19 on Jul 28, 2017 10:14:56 GMT -5
Is there any concern Devers hits the 130 AB threshold before the end of the season? I think the Sox have some incentive to preserve his rookie status if they can build up a lead in the division to justify sitting him a bit
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 28, 2017 11:05:10 GMT -5
Is there any concern Devers hits the 130 AB threshold before the end of the season? I think the Sox have some incentive to preserve his rookie status if they can build up a lead in the division to justify sitting him a bit Rookie status means nothing beyond Rookie of the Year eligibility. Service time is a completely different issue and I think you're conflating the two, perhaps?
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Post by despo19 on Jul 28, 2017 12:53:32 GMT -5
Is there any concern Devers hits the 130 AB threshold before the end of the season? I think the Sox have some incentive to preserve his rookie status if they can build up a lead in the division to justify sitting him a bit Rookie status means nothing beyond Rookie of the Year eligibility. Service time is a completely different issue and I think you're conflating the two, perhaps? The service time issue is set in stone now. I was thinking more along the lines of him being the rookie sensation next year and having the added hype much like the Yankees have gotten with Judge. It obviously doesn't really qualify as a problem or anything like that, I was just wondering if the Sox were to get a big lead again, might they sit him a game here and a game there so he can take a shot at ALROY next season? Sorry for the lack of clarity in the previous post. Thanks!
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2017 13:00:32 GMT -5
Rookie status means nothing beyond Rookie of the Year eligibility. Service time is a completely different issue and I think you're conflating the two, perhaps? The service time issue is set in stone now. I was thinking more along the lines of him being the rookie sensation next year and having the added hype much like the Yankees have gotten with Judge. It obviously doesn't really qualify as a problem or anything like that, I was just wondering if the Sox were to get a big lead again, might they sit him a game here and a game there so he can take a shot at ALROY next season? Sorry for the lack of clarity in the previous post. Thanks! Why would anyone care about ROY awards over season results? If he's good, he's playing every game. If he's really, good, he'll be batting cleanup.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 28, 2017 16:05:46 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber 6 min. Farrell on not sending down Devers: "That's like asking somebody to dinner and asking them when they're leaving when they come in the door."
I love this lol
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2017 16:15:21 GMT -5
That is probably the best John Farrell quote ever.
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Post by pedey on Jul 29, 2017 21:12:31 GMT -5
Glad Devers is in the majors and seems to be on to a good start. Hope he a star for years to come. Maybe it will take the sting out of losing Travis Shaw.
According to my calculations, Shaw is on pace for 39 home runs. It almost makes me physically ill thinking about that trade. Darn you DD, no wonder the Tigers dumped you.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 30, 2017 0:44:14 GMT -5
According to my calculations, Shaw is on pace for 39 home runs. It almost makes me physically ill thinking about that trade. Darn you DD, no wonder the Tigers dumped you. Yes, DD is an unproven dude who should only be judged by his deals that haven't worked.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 1, 2017 1:30:56 GMT -5
Devers' .417 / .481 / .750 over 6 G and 27 PA is the best start to a career by a guy 20 or younger since 1969, when Bill Russell hit .391 / .517 / .783 in his first 7 G (6 starts) and 29 PA, while batting 2nd and playing RF at the start of the season for the Dodgers. He went 9/23 with 2 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 5 BB, 1 HBP, 7 SO.
Those were the days when there was no hard comprehensive data about how guys hit. He went 2/4, BB his next day, then hit .241 / .321 / .345 in his next 133 PA, in the course of which he lost his starting job. From June 24 on, he had just 71 PA and hit .130 / .155 / .188.
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Post by giatree12 on Aug 1, 2017 5:00:13 GMT -5
According to my calculations, Shaw is on pace for 39 home runs. It almost makes me physically ill thinking about that trade. Darn you DD, no wonder the Tigers dumped you. Yes, DD is an unproven dude who should only be judged by his deals that haven't worked. Does anyone remember what he traded to the Marlins for Miggy? No? Carry on. He basically traded a back of balls and an empty bucket of double bubble. Yeah, Miller is now a shut down reliever, but he was a wreck back then. For now, he is tied to what Devers does the remainder of this year to rationalize the Shaw trade.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2017 7:23:49 GMT -5
Yes, DD is an unproven dude who should only be judged by his deals that haven't worked. Does anyone remember what he traded to the Marlins for Miggy? No? Carry on. He basically traded a back of balls and an empty bucket of double bubble. Yeah, Miller is now a shut down reliever, but he was a wreck back then. For now, he is tied to what Devers does the remainder of this year to rationalize the Shaw trade. I believe he traded Andrew Miller and Camron Maybin... that was off the top of my head. At the time Maybin was the 5 tool super star center fielder in waiting and Miller was the flame throwing big left handed number 1 starter in waiting. Both top 10 prospects in the game not the Tigers system.... again off the top of my head so it's possible the facts are a little off... I purposely am not looking it up because it'd be cheating since you asked if we remember I don't remember the Scherzer trade tho
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Post by giatree12 on Aug 1, 2017 7:40:06 GMT -5
"On December 9, 2009, Scherzer was traded along with Daniel Schlereth, Phil Coke, and Austin Jackson to the Detroit Tigers as part of a three team trade that brought Ian Kennedy and Edwin Jackson to the Diamondbacks and Curtis Granderson to the New York Yankees.[8]" via wikipedia.
Solid trade for both sides
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Post by ctfisher on Aug 1, 2017 7:45:36 GMT -5
Does anyone remember what he traded to the Marlins for Miggy? No? Carry on. He basically traded a back of balls and an empty bucket of double bubble. Yeah, Miller is now a shut down reliever, but he was a wreck back then. For now, he is tied to what Devers does the remainder of this year to rationalize the Shaw trade. I believe he traded Andrew Miller and Camron Maybin... that was off the top of my head. At the time Maybin was the 5 tool super star center fielder in waiting and Miller was the flame throwing big left handed number 1 starter in waiting. Both top 10 prospects in the game not the Tigers system.... again off the top of my head so it's possible the facts are a little off... I purposely am not looking it up because it'd be cheating since you asked if we remember I don't remember the Scherzer trade tho That was the deal, and he also got dontrelle Willis at the time as well. Either way, you have to give dombrowski credit for dealing two overhyped prospects for the best right handed hitter of the past 10 years, without considering the fact that Willis was still a quality pitcher before he went to Detroit
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2017 7:46:44 GMT -5
"On December 9, 2009, Scherzer was traded along with Daniel Schlereth, Phil Coke, and Austin Jackson to the Detroit Tigers as part of a three team trade that brought Ian Kennedy and Edwin Jackson to the Diamondbacks and Curtis Granderson to the New York Yankees.[8]" via wikipedia. Solid trade for both sides Solid trade both sides? Detroit won that trade going away.
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