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2013 International Signings
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 7, 2013 11:14:15 GMT -5
Source: TX, BOS, Cubs, LAD among seven teams with serious interest in Cuban pitching prospect Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez 26-Year Old Cuban
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 7, 2013 11:18:51 GMT -5
Sounds a little like Contreras , although Contreras was obviously more highly touted.
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Post by jdb on Jun 8, 2013 8:59:20 GMT -5
I wonder how serious we are about him and what his price tag would be. The article says he wouldn't count against anyone's international pool so he could get crazy money. Adding another quality arm would be great and could allow us to deal some for a young hitter.
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 8, 2013 10:59:56 GMT -5
Considering the other teams interested, I would have to think the Sox are the underdog here. The Dodgers, as they correctly showed with Puig, appear to be the new Yankees as far as not being outbid for a player they want. Theo also spent 30 M on Soler so you can't count him out and TX spent big on Darvish. With the Sox pitching so deep in their farm system, I don't see them outbidding any of those teams.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2013 11:08:35 GMT -5
Rafael Devers and Luis Encarnation. I'd really like to see the sox get a pair of the top hitting prospects in this years class. I don't know if it's realistic if they can sign both those guys but either way I'd like to see them go after some big names with he money they have.
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Post by njsox on Jun 8, 2013 11:45:25 GMT -5
Considering the other teams interested, I would have to think the Sox are the underdog here. The Dodgers, as they correctly showed with Puig, appear to be the new Yankees as far as not being outbid for a player they want. Theo also spent 30 M on Soler so you can't count him out and TX spent big on Darvish. With the Sox pitching so deep in their farm system, I don't see them outbidding any of those teams. Those signings were all before the international cap, things are different now. And don't forget during that time the Sox spent a couple of bucks themselves on Matsuzaka.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 8, 2013 11:48:50 GMT -5
When does the signing period begin for international players?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 8, 2013 13:17:31 GMT -5
July 2 as always.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 8, 2013 23:25:50 GMT -5
Considering the other teams interested, I would have to think the Sox are the underdog here. The Dodgers, as they correctly showed with Puig, appear to be the new Yankees as far as not being outbid for a player they want. Theo also spent 30 M on Soler so you can't count him out and TX spent big on Darvish. With the Sox pitching so deep in their farm system, I don't see them outbidding any of those teams. Those signings were all before the international cap, things are different now. And don't forget during that time the Sox spent a couple of bucks themselves on Matsuzaka. Since he is 26 and play pro ball in Cuba, the rules capping spending will not apply.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 11, 2013 10:28:05 GMT -5
Red Sox tied to Venezuelan OF Freddy Rodriguez: Freddy Rodriguez, of, Venezuela (video): The Red Sox have been linked to Dominican third baseman Rafael Devers, one of the top hitters on the international market. Sources have also tied them to Rodriguez, another lefty hitter who stands out at the plate. The 16-year-old Rodriguez is 6-foot-1, 180 pounds with a good hitting approach and a sound, compact swing. He has run the 60-yard dash in 6.8 seconds and some scouts think he can play center field, while others think he fits better in left field with his below-average arm. Rodriguez trains at Carlos Guillen’s academy. www.baseballamerica.com/international/july-2-notebook-international-scouting-reports/
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 11, 2013 11:25:53 GMT -5
Yay no light hitting SS!!!
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Post by taftreign on Jun 11, 2013 12:24:54 GMT -5
If you haven't seen it here is the international bonus pools for each team courtesy of Baseball America.
2013-14 INTERNATIONAL BONUS POOLS Team Pool 1. Astros $4,943,700 2. Cubs $4,557,200 3. Rockies $4,213,800 4. Twins $3,908,600 5. Indians $3,636,900 6. Marlins $3,395,200 7. Red Sox $3,179,900 8. Royals $2,988,100 9. Blue Jays $2,817,100 10. Mets $2,664,600 11. Mariners $2,580,000 12. Padres $2,500,800 13. Pirates $2,426,000 14. Diamondbacks $2,355,700 15. Phillies $2,289,700 16. Brewers $2,227,300 17. White Sox $2,168,300 18. Dodgers $2,112,900 19. Cardinals $2,060,600 20. Tigers $2,011,200 21. Angels $1,993,700 22. Rays $1,976,500 23. Orioles $1,959,400 24. Rangers $1,942,700 25. Athletics $1,926,100 26. Giants $1,909,900 27. Braves $1,893,800 28. Yankees $1,877,900 29. Reds $1,862,100 30. Nationals $1,846,900 2013 Total $78,226,600 2012 Total $87,000,000
I also believe you can trade for up to an additional 50% of your original bonus pool. Each team can additionally sign up to 6 players for $50,000 or less that does not count against the pool.
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 11, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5
Yay no light hitting SS!!! give it time, im sure we will sign at least 2 or 3
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 11, 2013 12:54:15 GMT -5
why are total bonus pools even smaller than last year? Last year's was already way down from before the CBA.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 11, 2013 14:58:15 GMT -5
Last year it was a 2.9M pool for everyone. This year its based on previous year record.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 11, 2013 15:22:00 GMT -5
Last year it was a 2.9M pool for everyone. This year its based on previous year record. ...which is a big reason why we need to go big this year, although I like the idea of spreading out the money over a few higher upside picks. Next year we're looking at a pretty small spending pool (likely under 2 mill if the Sox keep up their winning ways which I obviously hope they do). The discrepancies between the top and bottom team's spending pools are pretty crazy though.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 11, 2013 17:10:09 GMT -5
There is no one in this class that I think teams should go crazy with. There is no one of the Sano caliber I believe. I know a team will do it, apparently the Cubs want to be aggressive and are in the mix for two of the top guys (Gleybler Torres and Eloy Jimenez) who will take the majority of their pool and they are looking to add more so they are a team apparently going all in with this class.
I like what I read on Micker Zapata but as a raw OF he doesn't fit the profile the Red Sox like.
I think you will see them look to spread the money around and get two-three six figure bonus guys to go along with Devers who apparently is getting upwards of a million dollars. Thats a sensible approach and is something they have had success with.
As much as I'd like them to swing for the fences this is not the time to do that.
BTW nothing stoping them from exceeding their bonus pool next year if there is someone who warrants it.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 11, 2013 17:30:22 GMT -5
There is no one in this class that I think teams should go crazy with. There is no one of the Sano caliber I believe. I know a team will do it, apparently the Cubs want to be aggressive and are in the mix for two of the top guys (Gleybler Torres and Eloy Jimenez) who will take the majority of their pool and they are looking to add more so they are a team apparently going all in with this class. I like what I read on Micker Zapata but as a raw OF he doesn't fit the profile the Red Sox like. I think you will see them look to spread the money around and get two-three six figure bonus guys to go along with Devers who apparently is getting upwards of a million dollars. Thats a sensible approach and is something they have had success with. As much as I'd like them to swing for the fences this is not the time to do that. BTW nothing stoping them from exceeding their bonus pool next year if there is someone who warrants it. I should have clarified that by "go big" I meant to spread it out around 2-3 players rather than throw 2 mill at one guy. I'd prefer maybe one guy over a mill (Devers seems to be worth it), and then like 2-3 guys in the 600 - 800k range or so.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 11, 2013 18:05:33 GMT -5
Last year it was a 2.9M pool for everyone. This year its based on previous year record. ...which is a big reason why we need to go big this year, although I like the idea of spreading out the money over a few higher upside picks. Next year we're looking at a pretty small spending pool (likely under 2 mill if the Sox keep up their winning ways which I obviously hope they do). The discrepancies between the top and bottom team's spending pools are pretty crazy though. While I do want Boston to go after a high-cost, big time prospect (such as Devers), I can see why they would take a different strategy. Basically, by throwing more than half of their pool at one guy, you're putting most of the success of the class on one guy. If this is the MLB Draft (and Boston had picked Frazier and given him a way above slot deal), it's less risky simply because so many more eyes are on the draft-eligible players, and the success rate is so much higher. But with 16 year old kids from DR, and other areas, the gamble is obviously more risky. Here's a BA list of highest signing bonuses up to 2010:Here's how they rank on mlb.com's top 20 prospect rankings for each team (Chose mlb.com due to rankings up to 20)" 1) Michel Ynoa - 20 2) Miguel Sano - 1 (2 at this point) 3) Gary Sanchez - 1 4) Adonys Cardona - 10 5) Luis Heredia - 5 6) Ariel Ovando - N/R 7) Rafael Rodriguez - N/R 8) Yorman Rodriguez - N/R 9) Wily Mo Pena 10) Joel Guzman 11) Byung-Yun Kim12) Phillips Castillo - N/R 13) Renato Nunez - 7 14) Chin-Hui Tsao15) Angel Villanova - N/R 16) Juan Duran - N/R 17) Guillermo Pimentel - 19 18) Adys Portillo - 5 19) Jose Vinicio 27 (SP) 20) Miguel Cabrera(I'm fully aware that many of these kids are only 18, and can still break out) but 40% of the current prospects (6/15) don't rank in their teams top 20 lists (53% <top 15), and even at 18-19 yrs old you should rank at least top 20 if you were a top 20 all-time bonus baby. Obviously, Sano, Sanchez, Heredia, and Miggy, are contrary to the fact, but clearly there is great risk in making these deals, especially under the new and limited CBA. 3.2 mil doesn't seem like THAT much, but agents are going to have to demand less, so Boston has the ability to spread that money over multiple, highly rated, players they really like. Whatever route they go, I will trust their scouting, but there's no denying that this is still a posibility.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 11, 2013 18:22:41 GMT -5
I think you will see them look to spread the money around and get two-three six figure bonus guys to go along with Devers who apparently is getting upwards of a million dollars. Thats a sensible approach and is something they have had success with. I'm not sure "success" is a word to apply to the Red Sox Latin free agent strategy 2002-2012. That snark at the Sox aside, I agree that looking at the top bonus guys the track record back to 2002 is weak, so I prefer the $400,000 range. For every Miguel Cabrera, there are tons more Jesus Montero (who I thought would be great) and Michael Ynoa, Angel Villalona. The prices have been run up too much on the high end for the risk of a 16 year old.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 11, 2013 19:01:37 GMT -5
If you want to end up with a Sano(jury still out I know) or Cabrera you have to take the risk. The team is not going to be set back by missing on a 2M+ dollar player. I would much rather see them spend 3M+ on Sano that 2m on Vinicio or Lin.
I understand that they found Xander using the spread the bonus around strategy but finding a guy like Xander is like wining the lottery.
I'm fine with their approach and its something they've had relative success with, have they impacted the bigs yet? no but we'll see what happens with Xander and their signings haven't completely bombed yet. Beltre has reached AAA in another org and still has a chance to make it. Stolmy has found life hard at the AA/AAA level but he's battling.
With Latin American signings you have to have great scouts on the ground it is volume more than anything because many many guys will fail, after all its 16 y/o we are talking about here.
Regardless of that if a guy like Sano, Soler etc. comes along we have to be in on that even with the risks involve. Its not gonna negatively affect the franchise all that much long term. Who knows who is a Sano, Soler type? Thats why you need great connections and scouts on the ground to determine that.
The biggest investment on a international hitter they've made was Almanzar(yes Vinicio and Lin got more but that was more for their defensive tools than the bat) and I remember that year reports were that the class was a bit down. Thats the type of year I wouldn't be spending a big bonus on one guy.
BTW I don't believe they shy away form some guys because of money, its because of what they look for in scouting. They seem to like guys with good hit tools and defensive value. Almost all the guys that have signed for big money the last few years are all bat with questionable hit tools and defensive tools. They don't go after that type of players. If there comes along a guy who hits all their bells I don't think they shy away because of money.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 12, 2013 10:54:27 GMT -5
I personally would like the Sox to spend in the on prospects who demand the 10th to 40th highest bonuses. Say we spend 3 or 4 players ranked in the 10th to 40th range. It would be like having 3 or 4 1st round picks(1.5mil- 2.2mil). I'd also sign several guys between 10k-50k as well. On a side note, we really need to improve our international scouting. It's who we sign more than budgeting.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2013 12:00:56 GMT -5
Video of Freddy Rodriguez:
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Post by njsox on Jun 12, 2013 12:22:43 GMT -5
Video of Freddy Rodriguez: Long swing, not much bat speed there. Most prospects look amazing tearing apart BP, he didn't. I totally disagree with reports of a "sound, compact swing."
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Post by bluechip on Jun 12, 2013 12:23:57 GMT -5
I personally would like the Sox to spend in the on prospects who demand the 10th to 40th highest bonuses. Say we spend 3 or 4 players ranked in the 10th to 40th range. It would be like having 3 or 4 1st round picks(1.5mil- 2.2mil). Signing the very best international player might be the equivalent of another first round pick, but not a pick in the top of the first round. You really cannot compare international players to Rule 4 draft picks, since they are younger and less developed. These players are the equivalent of freshmen or sophomores in high school.
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