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8/14 Red Sox vs. Indians Make-Up Game Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 14, 2017 21:30:20 GMT -5
Actually before Sunday night's game the Sox were 4.5 games in front and given that they were about to lose that would have shaved the lead to 3.5 games, so if both the Sox and Yanks would have won tonight the Sox would be maintaining a 3.5 game lead, so actually they were better off winning last night and losing tonight. It's really not a wash. It was a 2 game swing by winning Sunday, so it was actually 2 steps forward and 1 step back with the good news being that Doug Fister doesn't pitch the next four days. I would of said the same thing if the Sox had won and Yankees lost, only to the affect of "at least Sunday's loss didn't hurt the Sox in the standings. I just hate throwing games because this team feels compelled to start Fister. He's washed up who had one last great game in him with the Indians the last time he started. I get what you're saying but I'm much happier the Red Sox beat the Yankees Sunday night. They needed to stand up to the Yankees for a change and give them some heartache. Sunday night was the type of game the Sox usually lose to the Yankees. They finally flipped the script and heroically beat them. Devers stunned that crowd silent. As for Fister, yeah I'm with you. I'd rather see Velazquez pitch. He's earned the opportunity. I think he'd give them a better chance every 5th day until Price returns. I'd like to see Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley each get a couple of days off to see if it can reset them as it seemed to do for Bogaerts. Same thing with Hanley. I'd like to see Workman get some high leverage innings. What happened to Boyer? Could he have pitched instead of Workman tonight? (Is he injured?)
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 14, 2017 21:45:24 GMT -5
Eddie Matthews was the first player ever aged 20 or younger to get to 6 HR before 100 MLB PA. Here's how the "youngster fewest PA to 6 HR" record has played out subsequently. Slash lines are as of the end of that day's game. All guys were 20.
Player Year PA BA OBP SA Eddie Matthews 1952 86 .241 .310 .494 Frank Robinson 1956 82 .329 .393 .645 Orlando Cepeda 1957 78 .311 .333 .635 Rafael Devers 2017 66 .339 .397 .677 Cepeda also broke the record by homering his first two times up. And Robinson broke it against Matthews' Braves.
Can we change his prospect grade to 6-8, 7 now?
(Only other guy to top 100 was Jason Heyward, 87 in 2010, slashing .240 / .360 / .520.)
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 14, 2017 21:54:26 GMT -5
I would of said the same thing if the Sox had won and Yankees lost, only to the affect of "at least Sunday's loss didn't hurt the Sox in the standings. I just hate throwing games because this team feels compelled to start Fister. He's washed up who had one last great game in him with the Indians the last time he started. I get what you're saying but I'm much happier the Red Sox beat the Yankees Sunday night. They needed to stand up to the Yankees for a change and give them some heartache. Sunday night was the type of game the Sox usually lose to the Yankees. They finally flipped the script and heroically beat them. Devers stunned that crowd silent. As for Fister, yeah I'm with you. I'd rather see Velazquez pitch. He's earned the opportunity. I think he'd give them a better chance every 5th day until Price returns. I'd like to see Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley each get a couple of days off to see if it can reset them as it seemed to do for Bogaerts. Same thing with Hanley. I'd like to see Workman get some high leverage innings. What happened to Boyer? Could he have pitched instead of Workman tonight? (Is he injured?) Boyer is on the DL. Bogaerts is not at all reset - his double could have been an error - he is still essentially a lunging, lost black hole. There is something about low and outside, or stuff in the dirt, that sets them all swinging - some really bad habits. Way too much swinging for the fences, not enough going the other way....wonder how they are being coached???
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 14, 2017 22:29:34 GMT -5
Well I just look at as taking one foot forward and one step back. 4.5 games out before Sunday. 4.5 games out on Tuesday. This loss is because this organization feels the need to protect a has been versus the best possible option to start for this team. No draws in baseball. Also, Fister was pretty good in his last 2 starts and I don't know man, can't blame the team too much for the 7th starter not being good against a very good offense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2017 23:22:53 GMT -5
Eddie Matthews was the first player ever aged 20 or younger to get to 6 HR before 100 MLB PA. Here's how the "youngster fewest PA to 6 HR" record has played out subsequently. Slash lines are as of the end of that day's game. All guys were 20. Player Year PA BA OBP SA Eddie Matthews 1952 86 .241 .310 .494 Frank Robinson 1956 82 .329 .393 .645 Orlando Cepeda 1957 78 .311 .333 .635 Rafael Devers 2017 66 .339 .397 .677 Cepeda also broke the record by homering his first two times up. And Robinson broke it against Matthews' Braves. Can we change his prospect grade to 6-8, 7 now? (Only other guy to top 100 was Jason Heyward, 87 in 2010, slashing .240 / .360 / .520.) eric, incredibly interesting (Mathews and Spahn were my first two baseball heroes). I'm curious about two things. First, how many HR's did each of the 5 (including Heyward) have when they reached 100 PAs and second (somewhat unrelated), how did Devers rank in the Davenports when he was first called up ?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 14, 2017 23:25:58 GMT -5
I get what you're saying but I'm much happier the Red Sox beat the Yankees Sunday night. They needed to stand up to the Yankees for a change and give them some heartache. Sunday night was the type of game the Sox usually lose to the Yankees. They finally flipped the script and heroically beat them. Devers stunned that crowd silent. As for Fister, yeah I'm with you. I'd rather see Velazquez pitch. He's earned the opportunity. I think he'd give them a better chance every 5th day until Price returns. I'd like to see Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley each get a couple of days off to see if it can reset them as it seemed to do for Bogaerts. Same thing with Hanley. I'd like to see Workman get some high leverage innings. What happened to Boyer? Could he have pitched instead of Workman tonight? (Is he injured?) Boyer is on the DL. Bogaerts is not at all reset - his double could have been an error - he is still essentially a lunging, lost black hole. There is something about low and outside, or stuff in the dirt, that sets them all swinging - some really bad habits. Way too much swinging for the fences, not enough going the other way....wonder how they are being coached??? I meant give Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley a couple days off (not necessarily the same 2 days) to see if it can reset them as it seemed to do for Benintendi - that's what I meant to say. Thanks for the info on Boyer. At least the good news is the Sox don't have to get rid of him in a roster crunch. I would guess he'll be back on Sept 1st? He's actually been quality depth.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 15, 2017 0:24:39 GMT -5
Eddie Matthews was the first player ever aged 20 or younger to get to 6 HR before 100 MLB PA. Here's how the "youngster fewest PA to 6 HR" record has played out subsequently. Slash lines are as of the end of that day's game. All guys were 20. Player Year PA BA OBP SA Eddie Matthews 1952 86 .241 .310 .494 Frank Robinson 1956 82 .329 .393 .645 Orlando Cepeda 1957 78 .311 .333 .635 Rafael Devers 2017 66 .339 .397 .677 Cepeda also broke the record by homering his first two times up. And Robinson broke it against Matthews' Braves. Can we change his prospect grade to 6-8, 7 now? (Only other guy to top 100 was Jason Heyward, 87 in 2010, slashing .240 / .360 / .520.) eric, incredibly interesting (Mathews and Spahn were my first two baseball heroes). I'm curious about two things. First, how many HR's did each of the 5 (including Heyward) have when they reached 100 PAs and second (somewhat unrelated), how did Devers rank in the Davenports when he was first called up ? Matthews got to 7 in 89 and was still there at 100. Robinson still had 6. Cepeda got to 7 in 86 and 8 in 88 and was still there at 100. Heyward got to 7 in 93 and 8 in 100, and stayed there a while. I have no idea who's fastest to 9. The Davenports were stuck on the July 17th update forever. I just discovered they're back live! Across AA and AAA, Devers had a .287 EqA (regular DT) with a peak projection of .321. Going into today, across all three levels, he was at .292 and .325. That will go up further, of course. Now, his AAA and MLB numbers are .331 with a .355 peak, whereas AA was .279, .315. We don't know yet for certain whether his last 106 PA (including tonight) are nothing more than a hot streak or represent at least some further learning, but a) last year's similar splits were apparently all real learning, which is why he is what he is right now, and b) watching him, it's hard not to believe it's at least a lot of real learning.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2017 0:48:07 GMT -5
For me, he's either the world's greatest guesser at what's coming or else has pitch recognition to physical movement times that are off the charts which, added to his fast bat are an impressive combo.
Note that when he takes a swing, the mechanics are all in place no matter where he's swinging in the zone. It's one thing to say a batter has a pretty swing but quite a different thing to say that his swing is almost always pretty.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2017 1:01:46 GMT -5
The first HR tonight was particularly impressive in that regards. He was just beat with a high fastball but the basic mechanics for a high fastball were perfect. Had he made contact, the result would have been similar to the Chapman HR. Now, next pitch, he has to at minimum be prepared for a high fastball. It wasn't, it was a low inside breaking pitch. Rather than holding back and chopping at the ball, he went into the perfect mechanics for that pitch. Made solid contract and drove it for the HR.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 15, 2017 4:46:52 GMT -5
holt owned by Bauer tonight. File away for future games. Holt sits on days that Bauer pitches. Holt plays way more than he should on a first division team. I would much rather see Lin brought up and Holt put on the shelf until rosters expand on September 1.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 15, 2017 4:52:22 GMT -5
Farrell's use of Workman makes no sense. He has been pitching well and he continues to use him in low leverage situations. In contrast Reed has not been very reliable. It is not too difficult to see that Workman is much more reliable and should get the ball in late and close games over the likes of Reed, Barnes, etc to form a bridge to get to Kimbrell.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 15, 2017 4:57:58 GMT -5
Farrell's use of Workman makes no sense. He has been pitching well and he continues to use him in low leverage situations. In contrast Reed has not been very reliable. It is not too difficult to see that Workman is much more reliable and should get the ball in late and close games over the likes of Reed, Barnes, etc to form a bridge to get to Kimbrell. I would give Reed more chances. Seems like Barnes has been given a million chances though. Workman should be given more chances in high leverage situations, I agree. Joe Kelly should never come in with runners on base also (like the case last Friday night).
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 15, 2017 5:29:06 GMT -5
I thought we should release Holt a month ago, and still think so. I'd rather roll the dice with Lin.
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Post by theghostofjoecronin on Aug 15, 2017 6:30:00 GMT -5
That was Devers' 6th home run. That gives him the same amount as Xander and about halfway to Bradley and Moreland. Not trying to poo poo on those players but the production Devers has brought so far is ridiculous "Tristan H. Cockcroft ESPN Senior Writer Rafael Devers already has two home runs tonight, giving him six in his first 16 big-league games. Since 1913, only nine players hit more through that many contests. Devers is 71 days shy of his 21st birthday. There's little doubt the Red Sox will keep finding space for him to play regularly, even after Dustin Pedroia's eventual return." And one of those 9 players is Cody Bellinger who did it this season. I saw Devers play in person a handful of times last year when he was with Salem. When he hit the ball it was a different sound off his bat, same with Yoan Moncada. They both made very loud contact and hit the ball a mile without even trying. The conditions were horrible for hitting HRs but both of them made it to the warning track on multiple occasions which would have been HRs later in the season. Defensively Devers wasn't challenged but made all the routine plays. I had really wanted the Red Sox to sign Moustakas this offseason to man third base, now I'm not sure they need to. Well...I suppose Devers could be a full time DH, Hanley hasn't done much to keep his spot there. Also......BENNY BICEPS! #EcksTheBest
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2017 6:41:03 GMT -5
That makes no sense. It was not "all for nothing". If we lost yesterday they would be one game closer to us. Well I just look at as taking one foot forward and one step back. 4.5 games out before Sunday. 4.5 games out on Tuesday. This loss is because this organization feels the need to protect a has been versus the best possible option to start for this team. The point is that if they didn't win the Yankees game on Sunday, they'd be 2.5 games up instead of 4.5 games up.
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Post by costpet on Aug 15, 2017 6:57:32 GMT -5
Did you notice that Eck kept saying they should stop throwing inside fastballs to a power hitter in Fenway? Then BOOM! Maybe that's why Eck is in the HOF.
I really like Eck. Don't miss Remy at all.
Eck gives you insight from a pitcher's point of view. Very refreshing. In the Baltimore broadcasts, Jim Palmer does the same. He's very good, too.
I was talking to Chris Ray, pitcher for Baltimore, one time at a wedding. I asked him how he pitched to Manny R. He said low and inside. Ortiz? He said he hit everything. No good way to pitch to him. Devers reminds me of that. Hits everything. Can you imagine his power when he "fills out"? Looks like a nice kid, levelheaded. I hope Boston doesn't eat him up.
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Post by station13 on Aug 15, 2017 8:03:27 GMT -5
Smart pitchers don't throw inside to Mookie, just about all of them. Torrie Hunter once said if you throw it inside to Papi, it's like putting your hands over a hotstove to get burned.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2017 11:10:38 GMT -5
I thought Encarnation was a slam dunk this winter for the Sox, especially given this coming winter's FA market, that he took only a 3 year deal and at less than most expected. Now I sincerely hope he is not the difference for Cleveland in a playoff series vs. Boston.
And, yes, I realize they didn't need a "difference" last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:13:46 GMT -5
Hembree's spot in peril, as well as Fister. Good luck, fellas. Except for Hembree having a 3.60 ERA.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 15, 2017 12:34:02 GMT -5
I thought Encarnation was a slam dunk this winter for the Sox, especially given this coming winter's FA market, that he took only a 3 year deal and at less than most expected. Now I sincerely hope he is not the difference for Cleveland in a playoff series vs. Boston. And, yes, I realize they didn't need a "difference" last year. I think that the next series with the Indians will be really interesting in terms of watching how things match up. If our current young struggling or slumping hitters can reignite and find their strokes we should be OK....but that's a big if.
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