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Post by ramireja on Sept 5, 2017 15:42:29 GMT -5
Ruh roh. An NY times article is reporting that the Red Sox used Apple Watches to steal signs against the Yankees several weeks ago. Link here. |
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Post by brendan98 on Sept 5, 2017 15:46:24 GMT -5
Ruh roh. An NY times article is reporting that the Red Sox used Apple Watches to steal signs against the Yankees several weeks ago. Link here. If this ends up being true, maybe we can finally fire Farrell. |
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Post by wrangler713 on Sept 5, 2017 15:57:09 GMT -5
Probably will cost us a 2nd round draft pick selection in 2018 or IFA money.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2017 15:58:23 GMT -5
Ruh roh. An NY times article is reporting that the Red Sox used Apple Watches to steal signs against the Yankees several weeks ago. Link here. If this ends up being true, maybe we can finally fire Farrell. |
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Post by marrcus on Sept 5, 2017 16:03:00 GMT -5
a 2nd round draft
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It could be worse, because it involved NY. I don't know what kind of precedent there is for punishment? Anyway MLB should have warned --if they didn't-- about various technologies which shouldn't be used in a game.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Sept 5, 2017 16:11:04 GMT -5
Realistically, the only logical thing one can do in this situation is to suspend Tom Brady for a quarter of the season.
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Post by wrangler713 on Sept 5, 2017 16:11:50 GMT -5
a 2nd round draft ---------------------- It could be worse, because it involved NY. I don't know what kind of precedent there is for punishment? Anyway MLB should have warned --if they didn't-- about various technologies which shouldn't be used in a game. Cards gave up their 1st two picks to the Astros for their hacking thing and $2 million in fines. I think we'll forfeit our 2nd rounder and maybe a million or two in fines. Oh well. |
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Post by rookie13 on Sept 5, 2017 17:17:28 GMT -5
a 2nd round draft ---------------------- It could be worse, because it involved NY. I don't know what kind of precedent there is for punishment? Anyway MLB should have warned --if they didn't-- about various technologies which shouldn't be used in a game. Cards gave up their 1st two picks to the Astros for their hacking thing and $2 million in fines. I think we'll forfeit our 2nd rounder and maybe a million or two in fines. Oh well. The Cardinals hacking into the Astro's system was a lot worse than this probably is. What they did was straight up illegal. This just seems like blatant rule breaking. I don't see how these are comparable. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2017 17:19:53 GMT -5
All I know is that Betances won't get suspended for it.
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Post by soxfando on Sept 5, 2017 17:20:27 GMT -5
i guess we'll see how biased MLB really is (if the Tigers vs Yankees suspensions weren't already indicative enough):
"The Red Sox responded in kind on Tuesday, filing a complaint against the Yankees, claiming that the team uses a camera from its television network, YES, exclusively to steal signs during games."
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Sept 5, 2017 17:20:49 GMT -5
I'm still baffled by this. The Times story claims the trainer told Pedroia or Holt and on at least one occasion one of them told Young. There's no description of any attempt to actually relay the information to the field. The signal would have to be immediate without time for dummy signals so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out how it was done - if it was done.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2017 17:32:06 GMT -5
First off, I've been pretty clear about not thinking much of this team. But it's painfully obvious the league has it out for this organization.
Manfred doesn't like that Werner (who's slime, by the way) didn't let him waltz into the commissioner role, and Torre is so biased it's actually funny.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2017 17:55:42 GMT -5
the semi funny thing about it is that MFY thought of it because they were making contact on unhittable pitches, particularly with runners in scoring position. Have they seen the RISP stats, that must be a troll. Anyway, the optics are bad on this. It is hard to get too mad at this, I am sure the Yankees cheat also, probably every team does to some extent.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Sept 5, 2017 17:55:44 GMT -5
Here is my proposal for Red Sox punishment:
-Suspend Young for the remainder of the season for being involved.
-Punish the Red Sox and any other players involved equally as much as the Yankees, Betances and Kanhle were for intentionally hitting Tigers' batters.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2017 17:56:19 GMT -5
The Red Sox certainly did a lousy job of cheating given how crappy their performance has been against the Yankees with runners in scoring position.
Hopefully the Red Sox have something good on the Yankees in the countersuit, something that nails them for using YES to cheat, but if they don't the Red Sox have some serious egg on their face, which is what they've had against their two most bitter rivals this year.
Now the rest of the year if the Red Sox win anything we'll all hear that they cheated, and if they lose, they'll just be a laughing stock. It's a really bad look.
My guess is they lose either a 1st or 2nd round pick - might as well sign a premier free agent if they're not getting that pick anyways.
Just what the Sox need - an unwelcome distraction.
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Post by atzar on Sept 5, 2017 17:59:47 GMT -5
I don't care. Everybody does it.
Pay whatever the fine is and get better at hiding it.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2017 18:04:05 GMT -5
I'm very skeptical of Cleveland as well. Red Sox pitchers should just pretend there's always a runner on 2nd.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 5, 2017 18:16:11 GMT -5
First off, I've been pretty clear about not thinking much of this team. But it's painfully obvious the league has it out for this organization. Manfred doesn't like that Werner (who's slime, by the way) didn't let him waltz into the commissioner role, and Torre is so biased it's actually funny. To me this just makes this team even less desirable that I was already thinking. I hate saying this, but for me this whole season from the GCL to Boston has been unappealing. The organization has some real concerns. I have not enjoyed watching this team most of the year. The front office has put all of their eggs into one basket to win in this short window, and the team is not fun to watch most nights. Our hands are tied with how close we are to the cap. There are few prospects that have much upside...so one of my joys...reading the box scores every day has disappeared for me. They lose big time with the international scandal earlier, and now we may lose the ability to get more young talent into our organization with this junk! This team has a good chance of getting knocked out of the playoffs quickly. What a disappointing year with this organization. |
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Post by marrcus on Sept 5, 2017 18:18:14 GMT -5
It was mentioned in the first .60 sec of "NBC nightly News" with a feature at around 6.50. If the RS had done this in KC...no mention. But it's NY.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 5, 2017 18:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by brendan98 on Sept 5, 2017 18:51:43 GMT -5
Anybody on the coaching staff and in management who knew about this should be made an example of. The Sox have a perfect example of how stretching the rules to this extent can taint a teams reputation and even legacy in the Patriots. This is 2 incidents in the last 3 years for the Red Sox, and I'm embarrassed by it, screw these guys, John Henry should clean house!
I'll clarify before I get blasted, I don't blame the players. Sign stealing has been going on in the game forever on the field, but whoever decided to start using technolgy (be it smartwatches, cameras, whatever) that's a different ballgame.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2017 18:58:32 GMT -5
Anybody on the coaching staff and in management who knew about this should be made an example of. The Sox have a perfect example of how stretching the rules to this extent can taint a teams reputation and even legacy in the Patriots. This is 2 incidents in the last 3 years for the Red Sox, and I'm embarrassed by it, screw these guys, John Henry should clean house! I'll clarify before I get blasted, I don't blame the players. Sign stealing has been going on in the game forever on the field, but whoever decided to start using technolgy (be it smartwatches, cameras, whatever) that's a different ballgame. I'd wait and see what the evidence is. Right now all we have is a NY newspaper saying the Red Sox are guilty. |
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Post by brendan98 on Sept 5, 2017 19:01:49 GMT -5
Anybody on the coaching staff and in management who knew about this should be made an example of. The Sox have a perfect example of how stretching the rules to this extent can taint a teams reputation and even legacy in the Patriots. This is 2 incidents in the last 3 years for the Red Sox, and I'm embarrassed by it, screw these guys, John Henry should clean house! I'll clarify before I get blasted, I don't blame the players. Sign stealing has been going on in the game forever on the field, but whoever decided to start using technolgy (be it smartwatches, cameras, whatever) that's a different ballgame. I'd wait and see what the evidence is. Right now all we have is a NY newspaper saying the Red Sox are guilty. I agree, I did preface my first post with "if this is true", and should have done so here as well. |
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Post by soxfando on Sept 5, 2017 19:20:06 GMT -5
Throwing Apple under the bus... |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 5, 2017 19:45:12 GMT -5
In the long run, the more important issue is that this is another black eye in the public's mind for New England Sports. As with the IFA penalties, the general public isn't going to view it as something everyone does and we were just the ones to get punished. We're not looking good.
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