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Post by Coreno on Oct 11, 2017 11:03:20 GMT -5
I think that tweet by Pete Abe is a bit deceptive. Having watched the press conference, I think it's a little out of context.
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He did say there were a lot of factors involved and that they felt it was time for a change.
Pete followed up with: "Was there a number of wins or a certain amount of success that would have negated the reasons that you're not mentioning why you wanted to make a change?"
Dave responded, "No."
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 11:06:34 GMT -5
but maybe the stat guys were screaming at him to take Brentz and play him over Young. If the front office wanted Brentz that badly he'd have been on the roster. You're giving Farrell a very outsized portion of the blame for that. ------ That Dombrowski quote is nuts. Can a Boston team ever part ways with someone without trying to light them on fire on the way out the door? They probably had a lot of discussions about it. Of course no one knows what he was fired for since they won't say it so people are just going to sit around and guess. I would tend to believe that he was too stubborn because he often acted too stubborn. I would tend not to believe that there are serious problems in the clubhouse and that Farrell was in the middle of it. He is a likable guy. |
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Post by jbuttah on Oct 11, 2017 11:06:42 GMT -5
I think that tweet by Pete Abe is a bit deceptive. Having watched the press conference, I think it's a little out of context. So then, I'd assume that DD fired him mainly for the poor playoff performances the last two years, but he just didn't want to be that direct. I did catch a little bit when DD said that dealing with the media was a factor in who they're gonna hire. Maybe he should reconsider how he himself communicates with the media. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 11:09:37 GMT -5
I'm all-in on Kapler. Have always been a huge fan of his.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 11, 2017 11:12:05 GMT -5
Benching Devers and starting Young in Game 3 alone was a fireable offense.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 11, 2017 11:16:19 GMT -5
Guys we I think we will hear about:
* Joe McEwing-White Sox bench coach
* Alex Cora
* Dave Martinez
* Sandy Alomar
* Brad Asmus
And wildcard: Ruben Amaro Jr.
There are going to be a number of managerial vacancies, so it's possible that the Red Sox might not get their top choice.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 11, 2017 11:19:28 GMT -5
I'm all-in on Kapler. Have always been a huge fan of his. yes, welcome...he's the only choice that could probably give us a strategic advantage over others. I mean, guys, we could actually get a manager who understands RBIs are garbage. This was Kapler years ago when the Trout vs Cabrera MVP season was happening: "Obviously it’s our duty as students of the game to not get caught up in the Triple Crown nonsense as two of the three statistics, BA and RBI, are fatally flawed." |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 11:21:27 GMT -5
I would say that this decision will go to show you who is actually running the team. DD or JH. If the new manager is a sabermetrics guy, it's JH.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2017 11:23:37 GMT -5
Right now I like Gary DiSarcina. Born in Boston, went to Umass and was very good in the minors coaching. A local guy that can coach. Spent time coaching with the Angels so he has experience coaching with more than one team.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 11, 2017 11:28:53 GMT -5
Right now I like Gary DiSarcina. Born in Boston, went to Umass and was very good in the minors coaching. A local guy that can coach. Spent time coaching with the Angels so he has experience coaching with more than one team. DD was asked if any of the current staff would be in consideration and he said "probably not." |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 11, 2017 11:45:17 GMT -5
Right now I like Gary DiSarcina. Born in Boston, went to Umass and was very good in the minors coaching. A local guy that can coach. Spent time coaching with the Angels so he has experience coaching with more than one team. As Coreno posted above, that's probably not happening but I would love to see DiSarcina getting a shot. He was as far as I remember pretty damn good in Pawtucket and he's a highly regarded dude that fits the Lovullo mold. |
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Post by bluechip on Oct 11, 2017 11:48:23 GMT -5
Varitek's name being dropped is just writers looking for fan recognition with casual fans, right? Like how the Mets writers are suggesting Alfonzo's name for the Mets' job. I mean, if he was a serious candidate, wouldn't they have made him a coach or minor league manager? Do people actually think he is going to get this job?
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 11, 2017 11:48:47 GMT -5
I haven't been this excited in a while. Love that Dombrowski said it's likely none of the current staff will be considered. This org needs fresh blood from top to bottom.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 11, 2017 11:49:52 GMT -5
Varitek's name being dropped is just writers looking for fan recognition with casual fans, right? Like how the Mets writers are suggesting Alfonzo's name for the Mets' job. I mean, if he was a serious candidate, wouldn't they have made him a coach or minor league manager? Do people actually think he is going to get this job? Wow I hope not; he seems like he would be an overmanager for sure. |
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 11, 2017 11:54:41 GMT -5
Carlos Febles, with Varitek as his bench coach, or GTFO.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 11, 2017 12:00:52 GMT -5
Forgive the ramble... While this is a great job for nearly anyone in baseball, I don't think the job has as much luster as it did when Terry Francona left. The fact that the team will be on their fourth manager in 7 years doesn't say anything positive about the stability of the organization. The GM turnover speaks to this as well. Maybe I am wrong and being the GM for the Red Sox is a burnout job that no one can do well for an extended period of time. My own amateur impression is that being the field manager is not that way and a well run organization could find and retain the right manager for well over a decade. I don't follow other teams very closely so I don't know what the average tenure is for a manager or for a GM. It seems to me the Red Sox, as one of the premier organizations in baseball should have more stability. I thought John Farrell was a good hire. I was late to the bandwagon in wanting him to leave. I only got there around the beginning of this July when the running game "philosophy" continued to be a problem, amongst other things. So I am glad he is gone but I worry the next guy will be worse. I think the best manager they could hire works for The Indians and he wouldn't come back to Boston for anything. Letting him go was a very, very stupid thing to do. His results speak for themselves. He is good at managing a MLB team to deep playoff runs. So.. find a guy like him. Make him happy. Set him up to succeed and leave him alone to manage a roster with a lot of talented players. The big challenge for stability in Boston is the post-2004 Red Sox paradigm. It no longer seems to be good enough to win the division - it is about winning it all. And with all of the variables (what other teams are doing, shifts in the game - small ball to HR/Ks), intangibles (overrated prospects, bad trades, injuries), long tenures may be a thing of the past because winning it all every year or every few years simply can't happen. Red Sox managers have to please the media, the players, the fans, win it all most years, and be very, very lucky to avoid the impact of the intangibles and variables. This is the crux. Since 2008, only one team (SF) has won more than ONE world series. I guess with these top spending teams, owners are having a quicker trigger to replace their managers. I'm sure if the LAD don't win it all, Dave Roberts will be gone. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 11, 2017 12:01:17 GMT -5
I would say that this decision will go to show you who is actually running the team. DD or JH. If the new manager is a sabermetrics guy, it's JH. Recall that one of the reasons Henry hired Dombrowski is that he felt the team was relying too heavily on statistical analysis, and he was quoted as such eighteen months ago. In that light, I'd be surprised if the new manager was Kapler or another stats-forward type. |
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Post by sdl on Oct 11, 2017 12:05:27 GMT -5
 A reminder of the downside here. I just ate and you had to post HIS photo.....  |
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 12:10:27 GMT -5
Dombrowski is such a backstabbing snake, this comment is almost evil and utterly unnecessary |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 12:17:34 GMT -5
I would say that this decision will go to show you who is actually running the team. DD or JH. If the new manager is a sabermetrics guy, it's JH. Recall that one of the reasons Henry hired Dombrowski is that he felt the team was relying too heavily on statistical analysis, and he was quoted as such eighteen months ago. In that light, I'd be surprised if the new manager was Kapler or another stats-forward type. He has also hired Bill James and offered a percentage of the team to Billy Beane. I don't think he abandoned analytics, considering he uses it in every industry he's involved in. There is no way of knowing exactly what he thinks until we hear from him again or see the new hire. |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 12:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 12:20:16 GMT -5
I think that tweet by Pete Abe is a bit deceptive. Having watched the press conference, I think it's a little out of context. --- He did say there were a lot of factors involved and that they felt it was time for a change. Pete followed up with: "Was there a number of wins or a certain amount of success that would have negated the reasons that you're not mentioning why you wanted to make a change?" Dave responded, "No." I read this after I had posted my immediate thought upon reading that tweet. If this was the exchange, then I was being too harsh |
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Post by radiohix on Oct 11, 2017 12:20:44 GMT -5
Next step DFAing Hanley?
A man can dream 😃
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 12:22:44 GMT -5
I would say that this decision will go to show you who is actually running the team. DD or JH. If the new manager is a sabermetrics guy, it's JH. Recall that one of the reasons Henry hired Dombrowski is that he felt the team was relying too heavily on statistical analysis, and he was quoted as such eighteen months ago. In that light, I'd be surprised if the new manager was Kapler or another stats-forward type. Key phrase here is eighteen months ago, he very well could've changed his thinking since. I sure hope he has. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 11, 2017 12:23:37 GMT -5
Recall that one of the reasons Henry hired Dombrowski is that he felt the team was relying too heavily on statistical analysis, and he was quoted as such eighteen months ago. In that light, I'd be surprised if the new manager was Kapler or another stats-forward type. To be perfectly fair, Cherington did by a very pedestrian job but he did win a World Series. Henry was probably making up an explanation for the change that would be easier to accept, DD is not this hardcore anti-stats kind of guy. I really doubt he'd hire Gabe Kapler though. |
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