nomar
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Post by nomar on Oct 12, 2017 16:58:00 GMT -5
The media members still trying to throw flak at Price are pathetic. Pandering to the lowest common denominator.
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Post by sdl on Oct 12, 2017 17:24:50 GMT -5
The media members still trying to throw flak at Price are pathetic. Pandering to the lowest common denominator. Be lucky Clif & Claf aren't still here. EVERYTHING that happened to the Sox this season would be Price's fault.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 12, 2017 17:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 12, 2017 18:54:24 GMT -5
Would be nice to have a manager who is halfway decent with in game strategy.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 12, 2017 19:12:51 GMT -5
I hope somehow dombrowski stumbled upon this article, as I'm all in on Cora, especially with him coming over from that Houston dugout. I did read earlier on yahoo that gardenhire is one of the three finalists tho, who totally seems like the kinda candidate that dombrowski would go with, and that made me feel really uneasy.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 12, 2017 20:42:50 GMT -5
"The Red Sox’ long list of managerial candidates should be a short one, long on minorities, and Boston’s final choice should be a minority, a person of color." Yeah, no. You know why teams never "do this"? Because you shouldn't pick someone to run your business based solely on how they look, that's preposterous and no sane person in charge of anything would give it much thought. To be completely fair, the article does provide with some interesting choices that would fit that mold, but why not narrow it down to like two of those guys and build your article around that? Say, why not write that Alex Cora should be the manager because he's a damn interesting candidate that looks very competent, one with club ties that would also fit the apparent need for a PoC? So why are all the managers, scouts, GMs, front office people, etc white guys?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Oct 12, 2017 21:34:46 GMT -5
So why are all the managers, scouts, GMs, front office people, etc white guys? They aren't. I don't know the racial identity of all the people in the positions you just named but you don't either. The Red Sox area scout in my area is Quincy Boyd. He's African American. You mentioned managers, but not coaches. Does Chilli Davis count as a minority in your calculus? I think we we all hope the team selects the best manager regardless of race. I don't care one bit about the racial identity of the new manager is. If he's good at leading a team to win lots of games, I'll love him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 12, 2017 23:33:40 GMT -5
So why are all the managers, scouts, GMs, front office people, etc white guys? All of them? This is backed by what? And while there is an imbalance in place, you don't fix it by writing condescending catch all pieces naming any black person you can think of. You don't group Manny Acta, Alex Cora and David Ortiz as 'candidates' when they have 0 in common. Besides, there's only one opening for manager, pick one of these guys and offer further details about him. Why he would be a good idea. It's not even hard, Cora would really be a good idea. By throwing any name you can think of you weaken your argument.
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 13, 2017 8:56:52 GMT -5
As someone who has been pushing for Cora to replace Farrell for 2 years now, this article had me doing cartwheels. Get it done, Dave.
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Post by Canseco on Oct 13, 2017 9:05:13 GMT -5
I would be fine with Alex Cora as our next manager, but am also intrigued by a crusty, old baseball man like Ron Gardenhire.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 13, 2017 9:09:58 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 13, 2017 9:13:22 GMT -5
OK, seeing the tangent coming, let's not have this conversation devolve into a debate about race in MLB hiring. That conversation can happen, just elsewhere. Thanks.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2017 13:25:43 GMT -5
Dombrowski receiving a lot of heat for his failure to explain Farrell's firing. Since when do GM's give explicit reasons for a manager's dismissal? Isn't it pretty par for the course to give a generic "club needed to move in a different direction" type answer? His name isn't Bill Belichick and hasn't won as much according to the media, so he doesn't have the right to give nothing in a press conference. I really hate the media in this town. "Price is the worst and most miserable person ever." "Dombrowski is snark and pompous and thinks he knows everything." "Pedrioa is the second worst person ever to Price and needs to be dumped because he can't lead." When does any of this crap end? Seriously?!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 14:14:55 GMT -5
Dombrowski receiving a lot of heat for his failure to explain Farrell's firing. Since when do GM's give explicit reasons for a manager's dismissal? Isn't it pretty par for the course to give a generic "club needed to move in a different direction" type answer? His name isn't Bill Belichick and hasn't won as much according to the media, so he doesn't have the right to give nothing in a press conference. I really hate the media in this town. "Price is the worst and most miserable person ever." "Dombrowski is snark and pompous and thinks he knows everything." "Pedrioa is the second worst person ever to Price and needs to be dumped because he can't lead." When does any of this crap end? Seriously?!! Hence the difficulty of being in Boston.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 13, 2017 14:28:35 GMT -5
It does seem like the media is hurting our ability to attract certain players. I get it that they are trying to sell their product, but some folks just hurt our teams by going over the top. I think people like Shaughnessy are always just looking for trouble or want to stir things up. Their editors probably want that kind of atmosphere, but it really does not do us as fans any favors. I want talent to want to come to Boston....not scared away!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 13, 2017 14:56:44 GMT -5
People will always come to Boston because of their ability to pay top talent above market prices. To the extent that someone could be scared off that is up to the player's agent and the Sox front office to work on that. I don't think anyone has any confusion at this point.
Farrell has had some of his surrogates (including Tito) talking about what he had to endure towards the end. That's what friends do. That's not a surprise, and it shouldn't have a bearing on a players decision to come here.
with the NE media (Red Sox) it is kind of important to remember that, IMO, it exists as a part of the overall NE culture. it has a very hard edge, but people are caring, just in a different kind of way. I am not native to the area and had to do some work in Mass. I met some good friends who are sports junkies and an be really hardcore.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 13, 2017 17:02:22 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 14, 2017 12:52:44 GMT -5
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 14, 2017 13:06:47 GMT -5
Shaughnessy doing some real reporting for a change, nice
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Oct 14, 2017 15:18:18 GMT -5
How many still read The Plagiarist (and Bully of Fellows in Wheelchairs)?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 14, 2017 15:18:55 GMT -5
So 2 of our 3 finalists are apparently Gardenhire and Cora. This could be one of the rare moments that unites all of us at Sox Prospects. Gotta get behind Cora.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 14, 2017 15:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 14, 2017 15:46:43 GMT -5
Shaughnessy doing some real reporting for a change, nice He's a columnist. Reporting isn't his job anymore.
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Post by marrcus on Oct 15, 2017 1:13:01 GMT -5
Gotta get behind Cora." ------------------------- I believe team required to interview one (or more) minority. I'm not suggesting Cora isn't on DD's list regardless. But I'm not getting behind him or anybody else. I just want the best available. Then we get to the important stuff.
Who knows, maybe Cora --who will apparently have several choices-- may not want to come here as a first pick?
How many still read The Plagiarist I don't. But I know plagiarism when I see it and Ron isn't a plagiarist. He sampled from a notes column --which it was there for-- without attribution.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2017 10:57:56 GMT -5
So 2 of our 3 finalists are apparently Gardenhire and Cora. This could be one of the rare moments that unites all of us at Sox Prospects. Gotta get behind Cora. Cora is a guy that even if he doesn't succeed for whatever reason, which is highly unlikely by itself, he should be entertaining to watch nonetheless. Gardenhire would just be boring. There's truly only one pick here.
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