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Post by ramireja on Oct 19, 2017 12:05:03 GMT -5
I was surprised to see that we didn't have a thread dedicated to the SoxProspects and Red Sox minor league pitcher of the year. Here we go. A solid article went up on masslive touching on some of the changes that Beeks made prior to this past season that helped him emerge as one of the Red Sox top depth options. Remember folks, Beeks raised his K% from 19.1% across Salem/Portland in 2016 to 25.6% across Portland and Pawtucket this year. A Beeks quote from the masslive article:
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Post by telson13 on Oct 20, 2017 10:08:11 GMT -5
I'm holding out hope that Beeks continues to improve and earns himself the 5 spot next year with all of the question marks. He's got several average-solid pitches and he misses some bats. I think we'd all like to see the Sox pull a play from the NYY pitcher-development playbook and turn an unheralded guy into a valuable major leaguer.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2017 11:05:59 GMT -5
I'm holding out hope that Beeks continues to improve and earns himself the 5 spot next year with all of the question marks. He's got several average-solid pitches and he misses some bats. I think we'd all like to see the Sox pull a play from the NYY pitcher-development playbook and turn an unheralded guy into a valuable major leaguer. Hm. I don't necessarily agree that: 1) the Yankees have a history of "turning unheralded guys into valuable major leaguers." Do you have any examples you're thinking of? 2) I guess it depends on your definition, but Beeks isn't quite "unheralded." He was a 12th-rounder but got $150k, which was then $50k over the slot for after the 10th round, and was ranked 125th in the class by BA. An elbow injury in his junior year is was led to him falling that far. He was one of a set of three really good picks of college pitchers who slipped by the Sox, with Karsten Whitson in the 11th and Chandler Shepherd in the 13th. Whitson didn't work out, but they're going to get major leaguers out of Beeks and Shepherd. Anyway, it's not like Beeks is the next Robby Scott, is my point. Potential MLB spot starter or up-and-down reliever would be a great outcome for a 12th-round pick, for sure, and Beeks could easily be more than that, but he isn't coming from completely off the radar.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 20, 2017 12:26:42 GMT -5
Telson, pleas correct me if I'm off on the following. Chris -- I think think you're right about definition. I don't think he meant completely unheralded, but rather, guys who never really sniff a Top 100 prospect list (or guys without 1st round draft pedigree/7 figure international bonuses). The Yankees do have a pretty good track record of getting major league value from those mid-level types....Jordan Montgomery, Chad Green, and Adam Warren come to mind on the current roster. In past years, Shane Greene and David Phelps helped provide solid, albeit unspectacular, innings in the backend of their rotation, and were eventually flipped in trades that netted Didi Gregorious and Domingo German. That sneaky backend depth and above average relief that the Yankees have been able to develop has arguably been one of our biggest weaknesses in past years. That said, we may be trending in the right direction with contributions this year from Velazquez, Johnson, Maddox, Workman, et al. Beeks could be another next year.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 20, 2017 12:36:55 GMT -5
Oh, and before this becomes a sox vs. yankees thread (something that seems to be popular as of late), I'll just say I'm also optimistic about Beeks and his development this past year. I love that he jumped from Portland to Pawtucket this year and picked up where he left off (he tired a little bit late in the season). If he had put up the solid ERA/WHIP but with mediocre peripherals, I'd be less optimistic, but I really like the bump up in K-rate as an indicator of improving his repertoire. I hope he gets a shot next year to make depth starts with the big club, although admittedly, its hard to tell where he ranks in a pecking order that may also include Wright, Velazquez, B. Johnson, Elias, and potentially Haley too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2017 12:38:23 GMT -5
Fair enough. I guess I just don't think the Yankees do that sort of thing more often than other teams do, necessarily.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 20, 2017 14:36:38 GMT -5
Fair enough. I guess I just don't think the Yankees do that sort of thing more often than other teams do, necessarily. Thats probably true. I think we're all just a little.....sensitive......about the Yankees right now.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 20, 2017 21:44:27 GMT -5
I'm holding out hope that Beeks continues to improve and earns himself the 5 spot next year with all of the question marks. He's got several average-solid pitches and he misses some bats. I think we'd all like to see the Sox pull a play from the NYY pitcher-development playbook and turn an unheralded guy into a valuable major leaguer. Hm. I don't necessarily agree that: 1) the Yankees have a history of "turning unheralded guys into valuable major leaguers." Do you have any examples you're thinking of? 2) I guess it depends on your definition, but Beeks isn't quite "unheralded." He was a 12th-rounder but got $150k, which was then $50k over the slot for after the 10th round, and was ranked 125th in the class by BA. An elbow injury in his junior year is was led to him falling that far. He was one of a set of three really good picks of college pitchers who slipped by the Sox, with Karsten Whitson in the 11th and Chandler Shepherd in the 13th. Whitson didn't work out, but they're going to get major leaguers out of Beeks and Shepherd. Anyway, it's not like Beeks is the next Robby Scott, is my point. Potential MLB spot starter or up-and-down reliever would be a great outcome for a 12th-round pick, for sure, and Beeks could easily be more than that, but he isn't coming from completely off the radar. I'm talking about NY's recent run of (mostly BP/swingman) development, guys like Green, Warren, Montgomery, even historically Robertson and, to a lesser extent, Betances (who had the arm but the command/control issues). They've done pretty well generating a lot of useful arms while maximizing Severino, who most saw as a good prospect early on, but more like a solid 3, not an ace (lacking a true third pitch). As for "unheralded," I'm using a tighter definition than you, I guess. I don't see a 12th-rounder getting 8/9-rd money as a good bet for MLB. Travis Shaw is someone I'd likewise call "unheralded," from a hitter perspective. I'm thinking more top-150 prospects or 3rd-rd money and higher guys. Beeks maybe scrapes the edge of that definition, but he's still a good story.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 20, 2017 21:50:36 GMT -5
Telson, pleas correct me if I'm off on the following. Chris -- I think think you're right about definition. I don't think he meant completely unheralded, but rather, guys who never really sniff a Top 100 prospect list (or guys without 1st round draft pedigree/7 figure international bonuses). The Yankees do have a pretty good track record of getting major league value from those mid-level types....Jordan Montgomery, Chad Green, and Adam Warren come to mind on the current roster. In past years, Shane Greene and David Phelps helped provide solid, albeit unspectacular, innings in the backend of their rotation, and were eventually flipped in trades that netted Didi Gregorious and Domingo German. That sneaky backend depth and above average relief that the Yankees have been able to develop has arguably been one of our biggest weaknesses in past years. That said, we may be trending in the right direction with contributions this year from Velazquez, Johnson, Maddox, Workman, et al. Beeks could be another next year. You're pretty much right on. I'd love to see an analysis, but as much trouble as they had for a while developing stars, it seems to me that they've really gotten bullpen value from their mid-level system depth. On top of it, they made some trades for huge arms like the McCann deal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2017 4:19:02 GMT -5
The Sox success in the next couple of years is going to ride on the Beeks types of players in the system.
The Sox number 5 starter is already in question and it's October. Sure they could fix it in the off-season, but they almost seem to have no money to do so and Dave Dombrowski seems intent on getting a big bat any way possible. I don't blame him in that line of thinking, just emphasizes the point that a guy like Beeks is going to have to rise in order to keep the sustain success of the franchise going.
If Beeks could be any kind of a reliable starter in the big leagues, then the Sox are really looking pretty past 2018.
I hope Beeks steps up in spring training and beyond, the Sox could really use the boost from the pitching side of things.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 6, 2017 11:08:08 GMT -5
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Post by giltg on Feb 21, 2018 10:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on Feb 21, 2018 13:05:40 GMT -5
Man it is always so exciting when the ump finally yells "play ball" for the 1st time!!
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Post by giltg on Feb 21, 2018 14:06:54 GMT -5
Jalen Beeks LHP for the Boston Red Sox was ranked #15 by Jim Callis and MLB Pipeline. Beeks was drafted in the 12th round in 2014. He had a breakout season in 2017 improving his era from 4.68 in 2016 to 2.19 at AA Portland. beats was promoted to Pawtucket and pitched 95.2 innings callus says in his Scouting Report beaks most reliable offering is a 91-93 mph fastball that maxes out at 95 and plays above its velocity because of a high spin rate and deception. When the Changeup fails Beeks goes to a slider and he turned it into more of a mid-80s cutter in 2017 . Beeks has some effort in his delivery but it also throws hitters timings off without causing major control issues he did a better job of holding his stuff into the late headings and missing bats last year boosting his chances of succeeding as a number 4 or 5 starter
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2018 15:59:52 GMT -5
Jalen Beeks LHP for the Boston Red Sox was ranked #15 by Jim Callis and MLB Pipeline. Beeks was drafted in the 12th round in 2014. He had a breakout season in 2017 improving his era from 4.68 in 2016 to 2.19 at AA Portland. beats was promoted to Pawtucket and pitched 95.2 innings callus says in his Scouting Report beaks most reliable offering is a 91-93 mph fastball that maxes out at 95 and plays above its velocity because of a high spin rate and deception. When the Changeup fails Beeks goes to a slider and he turned it into more of a mid-80s cutter in 2017 . Beeks has some effort in his delivery but it also throws hitters timings off without causing major control issues he did a better job of holding his stuff into the late headings and missing backs last year boosting his chances of succeeding as a number 4 or 5 starter Not sure about that report. Last I saw Beeks dropped a low-80s/high-70s curve that’s nasty on lefties, and had added a cutter that he was throwing around 86-87. I know he has a change but I don’t know how good it is; the cutter was the big addition to his arsenal last year that helped him take a significant step forward. Sounds like Callis has the FB velo range right, though. I think Beeks deserves a shot as a starter, but I think he’s got serious upside as a late-inning guy. With the cutter he can get righties and the curve is brutal for LH. Plus, his velo might tick up to 93-95/touch 97.
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Post by giltg on Feb 21, 2018 16:28:28 GMT -5
Jalen Beeks LHP for the Boston Red Sox was ranked #15 by Jim Callis and MLB Pipeline. Beeks was drafted in the 12th round in 2014. He had a breakout season in 2017 improving his era from 4.68 in 2016 to 2.19 at AA Portland. beats was promoted to Pawtucket and pitched 95.2 innings callus says in his Scouting Report beaks most reliable offering is a 91-93 mph fastball that maxes out at 95 and plays above its velocity because of a high spin rate and deception. When the Changeup fails Beeks goes to a slider and he turned it into more of a mid-80s cutter in 2017 . Beeks has some effort in his delivery but it also throws hitters timings off without causing major control issues he did a better job of holding his stuff into the late headings and missing backs last year boosting his chances of succeeding as a number 4 or 5 starter Not sure about that report. Last I saw Beeks dropped a low-80s/high-70s curve that’s nasty on lefties, and had added a cutter that he was throwing around 86-87. I know he has a change but I don’t know how good it is; the cutter was the big addition to his arsenal last year that helped him take a significant step forward. Sounds like Callis has the FB velo range right, though. I think Beeks deserves a shot as a starter, but I think he’s got serious upside as a late-inning guy. With the cutter he can get righties and the curve is brutal for LH. Plus, his velo might tick up to 93-95/touch 97. Here's the Link. I agree that Beeks deserves a shot at the rotation but with 3 Lefties at the top and ERod returning it could be tough . With his stuff he would be a better option than LOOGY(Lefty One-Out GuY) Robby Scott . m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=bos
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 7:58:20 GMT -5
Jalen Beeks look very good yesterday. Throwing two scoreless innings with 3K's 1BB 1H while throwing 28 pitches. Would really like to see him improve on that showing and be a key piece for the Sox drive for a championship.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 22, 2018 11:49:14 GMT -5
So what is really going to happen with Jalen Beeks? There isn't any room for him in Boston unless unimaginable concurrent injuries happen. This site has him transitioning to the bullpen and hanging around next year. But his body of work is building up to the point where he may deserve some kind of shot. I guess if Poyner doesn't come back effectively from his injury the Sox could try Beeks in the pen sooner rather than later.
Piece in a midseason trade for an established bullpen piece?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2018 12:24:11 GMT -5
It might suck for him, but the depth is super useful for a long period of time. Between Johnson, Velazquez and Beeks, I'm about to the point where I'd be willing to let Pomeranz walk and take the comp pick.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 22, 2018 12:37:23 GMT -5
It might suck for him, but the depth is super useful for a long period of time. Between Johnson, Velazquez and Beeks, I'm about to the point where I'd be willing to let Pomeranz walk and take the comp pick. That’s kind of where I’m at. They can’t afford $18-20M AAV for Pomeranz if he’s actually good enough to re-sign (#2a or better, as per the last two years). Porcello has one more year. I suppose if Pomeranz is a 3+ WAR pitcher again, and Porcello is very good this year, they could re-up Pomeranz and trade Porcello. But they’re going to have to pay Sale big to keep him, and Price isn’t opting out, so somebody has to go. Ideally Beeks gets a look or two this year so they know what they have.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 22, 2018 13:23:33 GMT -5
He sports an elite 35% K-BB%, he also generates an above average number of popups (which are strikeouts basicaly) As I see it, he's a great SP depth for now and if the club keeps winning I would like them to use the 10 days DL to rest the pitchers like the Dodgers did last year to keep the starters fresh for the playoffs run. You can also use him as a reliever in the second half in an audition for a starting role next year and with his K capacity he may end up the reliever you're looking for at the trade deadline. I won't trade personnaly.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 23, 2018 9:40:13 GMT -5
The fact that both Johnson and Velazquez have transitioned to the MLB bullpen could potentially be a boon for Beeks. Although I'm thrilled the bullpen is no longer treated as starter kryptonite by the organization ("HE MADE TWO APPEARANCES OUT OF THE BULLPEN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US MONTHS TO STRETCH HIM BACK OUT NOW!!!!"), if the two of them stay in the bullpen for long enough, there would come a point where Beeks getting a spot start could be easier and safer than having one of those two try to stretch back out. All depends on how they're used, I guess.
Also, based on something I saw in the gameday thread the other day, if we're going to do the thing where we add a bunch of Ks to his last name because he's striking guys out, let's agree to do 2 or 4 or more. Sound good?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 10:34:51 GMT -5
I might be willing to trade Velazquez, Johnson, or Beeks, but A. It has to be worth it. B. Not more than one of them. C. I would really rather not.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 23, 2018 11:23:39 GMT -5
Also, based on something I saw in the gameday thread the other day, if we're going to do the thing where we add a bunch of Ks to his last name because he's striking guys out, let's agree to do 2 or 4 or more. Sound good? Guilty lol! I'm sorry, I guess not being american made unware of these "details" and it'll never happen again.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 23, 2018 11:34:44 GMT -5
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