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JD Martinez (2/19 update: signs with Boston)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 0:00:56 GMT -5
Yeap, this is great for baseball.
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Post by Coreno on Jan 18, 2018 0:39:07 GMT -5
I hate this off-season. I don't know what to believe. Spring training needs to start already. We know.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 18, 2018 1:06:15 GMT -5
Dombrowski was quoted in today's Herald that he's satisfied with the team as is. Guess he feels that replacing the manager is enough to get it past the first round. Or he's sending a message to Boras that he's in no hurry to make a deal. For the most part I would assume that is posturing but I do think the team as is would still be a playoff team so maybe he does feel satisfied with the team on some level. I am sure he will go out and make at least 1 signing whether that ends up being Martinez or a guy like Nunez. It's posturing. If the Herald article is referring to his WEEI interview where he basically said exactly that, he went on to say, that's our current position, WEEI should invite Boras and ask his current position. (paraphrasing) JDM might want to play outfield but he's a DH. No DH has ever gotten what they are asking for, the Sox offer is more than fair for a DH. JDM saying he is willing to sit out half the season in the hopes that someone will have an epiphany and decide that they want to spend $150, is also posturing. There's already gossip that there will be a work stoppage in 2021 when the collective bargaining agreement expires. It appears to me that the players union, after selling out the International Free Agents, have painted themselves into a corner.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 1:45:58 GMT -5
I hate this off-season. I don't know what to believe. Spring training needs to start already. We know. Just chill, maybe J.D. Martinez might sign sometime around the playoffs start. I don't care when a player signs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 2:00:02 GMT -5
For the most part I would assume that is posturing but I do think the team as is would still be a playoff team so maybe he does feel satisfied with the team on some level. I am sure he will go out and make at least 1 signing whether that ends up being Martinez or a guy like Nunez. There's already gossip that there will be a work stoppage in 2021 when the collective bargaining agreement expires. It appears to me that the players union, after selling out the International Free Agents, have painted themselves into a corner. No doubt in my mind that there's a work stoppage coming. The players union and teams are universe's apart in how they perceive value now a days.
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Post by jmei on Jan 18, 2018 7:24:25 GMT -5
Just chill, maybe J.D. Martinez might sign sometime around the playoffs start. I don't care when a player signs. Seriously, you have to stop posting this same point over and over and over again on multiple threads. It’s been discussed to death on the Boras thread. Thanks.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 7:53:07 GMT -5
Just chill, maybe J.D. Martinez might sign sometime around the playoffs start. I don't care when a player signs. Seriously, you have to stop posting this same point over and over and over again on multiple threads. It’s been discussed to death on the Boras thread. Thanks. It was a joke. Not a point.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2018 9:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jan 18, 2018 11:29:18 GMT -5
I’ll reiterate my earlier comment, which is that a contract similar to Cespedes is reasonable. I think at this point it makes sense to go up to 3/90 with opt outs after each year. This allows us to get a shorter term contract, JDM to get max annual salary, and he can choose to re-enter the market next year as the fallback option for teams that don’t get Harper or Machado or wait another year depending on how the market continues to evolve.
My preference would be for the Sox to put two offers on the table at 5/110 with no opt outs (or maybe one after 3 yrs?) or 3/75 with the opt outs each year and let JDM choose which one to negotiate around.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 18, 2018 11:41:28 GMT -5
Seriously, you have to stop posting this same point over and over and over again on multiple threads. It’s been discussed to death on the Boras thread. Thanks. It was a joke. Not a point. Doesn't make it less annoying.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 18, 2018 12:38:38 GMT -5
The whole JDM contract thing is made all the more interesting when you consider that less than half of the players who get these big long term deals end up being even close to worth it. Considering Boras is the agent for most of these guys really makes me want to get locked in a 10x1o room with him for a minute or so.
Yeah I know, not so reasonable for the voiceofreason.
Don't get me wrong I realize that their is a lot of money involved and the players deserve their fair share but it really shouldn't be such a disparity between the top end and the lower end. Their should be more of a middle class, just like in the real world, not to get political about it but their really should be a more equitable way to spread the wealth. This is true in all sports.
The system isn't really working and needs a complete overhaul to be fair, if fair is the way things should be. Yeah I know, life isn't always fair.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 18, 2018 12:42:51 GMT -5
If JD got hurt and didn't play this past Sept. instead of hitting 16 HRs what would he be asking for in FA?
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 18, 2018 13:14:04 GMT -5
He was slugging .610 for the season through the end of August, so still a lot. Also, when trying to justify a big contract, there's a big difference between a guy who gets hurt after five months and a guy who hits .396/.431/.950 after five months.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -5
It was a joke. Not a point. Doesn't make it less annoying. I thought it was funny.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2018 15:34:44 GMT -5
This^^^ Baseball needs to change or it'll fall behind.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 18, 2018 16:24:18 GMT -5
This^^^ Baseball needs to change or it'll fall behind. The changes that will be made will likely make baseball worse for every diehard baseball fan. So be careful of what you wish for. Also, I've heard the same crap about soccer since I was playing in Little League 35 years ago.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 18, 2018 17:03:40 GMT -5
This^^^ Baseball needs to change or it'll fall behind. From the article itself:
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Post by MLBDreams on Jan 19, 2018 14:09:43 GMT -5
I bet that many of you don't know too well about JDM before his big 1/2 year @ Ariz. As the RS fan, I always fear of certain HR hitters from any opponent teams when the Red Sox face them at home games and the road games. JDM is not the one I worried about unlike TB (Longeria), NYY (Judge, Holliday, Sanchez, Tex, ARod, etc), Tor (Bats, EE, Donaldson), Balt (Davis, Manchado, Trumbo, Cruz), LAA (Trout, etc), Hou (Springer, McCann, Correa, Altuve, etc), Sea (Cruz, Seager, etc), CWS (Abreau) and so forth. I know some of them are no longer with the team as of 2017 season (retired, change teams, traded).
When they played against Detroit, it always Miguel Cabrera as the most fear HR hitter beside J. Upton and I. Kinsler. I always remember these guys from above list always hurt RS with their HR games. I don't remember JDM ever hurt us like that. I was never like Oh my God, it's JDM come up at the plate and hope not give up HR to him. I don't really know him too well until DD made him as 1st choice as free agent DH/OF. I decided to check out on him.
It turned out based on my research with JDM's career in his game logs against the Red Sox from 2011-2017. He played only 14 games (7 @ Fenway, 7 @ Det) against the Red Sox in his 7 MLB seasons. None are with Houston & Arizona as opponent player. Most missed due to injury.
He hit exactly ZERO HR @ Fenway and just 3 HR @ Detroit against the Red Sox!!! That's why I don't remember he ever hit HR here.
DD already have seen him doing against other opponents as Det GM but not @ Bos as GM. I wish he knew about him hit ZERO HR at Fenway (7 games-too small sample). I'm still against ridiculous contract (at least 5+ yr/100 mil+) to JDM as he doesn't have the prove to be threat Fenway Park HR hitter.
Is anybody object with me??
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2018 14:19:56 GMT -5
I bet that many of you don't know too well about JDM before his big 1/2 year @ Ariz. As the RS fan, I always fear of certain HR hitters from any opponent teams when the Red Sox face them at home games and the road games. JDM is not the one I worried about unlike TB (Longeria), NYY (Judge, Holliday, Sanchez, Tex, ARod, etc), Tor (Bats, EE, Donaldson), Balt (Davis, Manchado, Trumbo, Cruz), LAA (Trout, etc), Hou (Springer, McCann, Correa, Altuve, etc), Sea (Cruz, Seager, etc), CWS (Abreau) and so forth. I know some of them are no longer with the team as of 2017 season (retired, change teams, traded). When they played against Detroit, it always Miguel Cabrera as the most fear HR hitter beside J. Upton and I. Kinsler. I always remember these guys from above list always hurt RS with their HR games. I don't remember JDM ever hurt us like that. I was never like Oh my God, it's JDM come up at the plate and hope not give up HR to him. I don't really know him too well until DD made him as 1st choice as free agent DH/OF. I decided to check out on him. It turned out based on my research with JDM's career in his game logs against the Red Sox from 2011-2017. He played only 14 games (7 @ Fenway, 7 @ Det) against the Red Sox in his 7 MLB seasons. None are with Houston & Arizona as opponent player. Most missed due to injury. He hit exactly ZERO HR @ Fenway and just 3 HR @ Detroit against the Red Sox!!! That's why I don't remember he ever hit HR here. DD already have seen him doing against other opponents as Det GM but not @ Bos as GM. I wish he knew about him hit ZERO HR at Fenway (7 games-too small sample). I'm still against ridiculous contract (at least 5+ yr/100 mil+) to JDM as he doesn't have the prove to be threat Fenway Park HR hitter. Is anybody object with me?? JD Martinez' wRC+ for the last 4 seasons: 166, 141, 136, 154. No matter how you spin that, he has been far better than anyone on the Red Sox last year. It was also better than Papi's last 4 seasons: 164, 139, 134, 151. And that's kind of freaky how similar those numbers are. I'm not sure why you think that a 14 game sample against the Red Sox means more than four full seasons.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 19, 2018 14:35:26 GMT -5
If JD got hurt and didn't play this past Sept. instead of hitting 16 HRs what would he be asking for in FA? Probably the exact same amount of money because he's hit a combined .300/.362/.574 in the four seasons since his breakout. There's this weird idea out there that he's a product of his last couple months in Arizona and it's just not true. He had virtually the same numbers before the trade as after.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 19, 2018 14:39:05 GMT -5
Also, I've heard the same crap about soccer since I was playing in Little League 35 years ago. "When I was growing up, we knew this kid who drank like a fish and drove like a maniac, and everyone said that he would die in a car wreak before he turned 30. But boy, did he prove us wrong. He didn't die in a car wreak until he was nearly 40." - Bill James (Quoted from memory so surely not accurate, but you get the point.)
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jan 19, 2018 15:28:52 GMT -5
@mikesilvermanbb Source: Red Sox offer to JD Martinez believed to be roughly $125 million over five years. That's what OF Josh Hamilton got from the Angels five years ago. 3:20 PM · Jan 19, 2018
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2018 15:31:12 GMT -5
@mikesilvermanbb Source: Red Sox offer to JD Martinez believed to be roughly $125 million over five years. That's what OF Josh Hamilton got from the Angels five years ago. 3:20 PM · Jan 19, 2018 This should get done then.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 19, 2018 15:38:24 GMT -5
@mikesilvermanbb Source: Red Sox offer to JD Martinez believed to be roughly $125 million over five years. That's what OF Josh Hamilton got from the Angels five years ago. 3:20 PM · Jan 19, 2018 This should get done then. I don't know why he hasn't signed yet. Unfortunately, I can see him trying to hold out for more.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2018 15:44:47 GMT -5
This should get done then. I don't know why he hasn't signed yet. Unfortunately, I can see him trying to hold out for more. A team option for 6th year with a $10 million buyout. They shouldn't be that far off at this point that it cannot get done. A holdout isn't likely to get him a better contract.
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