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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jan 16, 2018 14:12:34 GMT -5
I think JD will end up here in the end, but probably not until next month. No reason for anybody to freak out.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:09:21 GMT -5
With McCutcheon going to SF this likely takes them off the list for JDM even though Andrew plays CF.The Giants are planning to play him on a corner. Which is a good idea, given how much his range has declined in center the last two years. McCutchen is who I compare Mookie to. He's now 31 years old. I'd be really leery of giving Mookie some $300 million contract that takes him to his late 30s because of how much value he has tied to his defense. Oh and my prediction for JDM is 6/150.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 16:18:18 GMT -5
My offer to JDM/Boras is 3/69m with 2 club options . And IMO there's is still one free agent that can hurt the Red Sox chances for signing JDM and that's Eric Hosmer another Scott Boras client.If reports are true about Hosmer having two 7 year offers of 140 million + that could still give Scott Boras leverage for getting more out of the Red Sox.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 16:46:47 GMT -5
My offer to JDM/Boras is 3/69m with 2 club options . And IMO there's is still one free agent that can hurt the Red Sox chances for signing JDM and that's Eric Hosmer another Scott Boras client.If reports are true about Hosmer having two 7 year offers of 140 million + that could still give Scott Boras leverage for getting more out of the Red Sox. I have no idea how Hosmer could affect JDM's market unless the team that lost out on Hosmer starts offering him a 1B job. I also don't believe that Hosmer has offers anywhere close to that. I haven't seen anything about the dollar amount, but I bet there's no chance that either SD or KC go up that high. If it's a 7 year deal, I bet it's not more than $100 million.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 17:11:30 GMT -5
My offer to JDM/Boras is 3/69m with 2 club options . And IMO there's is still one free agent that can hurt the Red Sox chances for signing JDM and that's Eric Hosmer another Scott Boras client.If reports are true about Hosmer having two 7 year offers of 140 million + that could still give Scott Boras leverage for getting more out of the Red Sox. I have no idea how Hosmer could affect JDM's market unless the team that lost out on Hosmer starts offering him a 1B job. I also don't believe that Hosmer has offers anywhere close to that. I haven't seen anything about the dollar amount, but I bet there's no chance that either SD or KC go up that high. If it's a 7 year deal, I bet it's not more than $100 million. The only way that Hosmer can affect JDM is by getting the widely reported offers of KC 7/140 and SD 7/147. Boras would definitely use any reports even the ones he fabricated to get his clients the best deal.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2018 17:19:12 GMT -5
I have no idea how Hosmer could affect JDM's market unless the team that lost out on Hosmer starts offering him a 1B job. I also don't believe that Hosmer has offers anywhere close to that. I haven't seen anything about the dollar amount, but I bet there's no chance that either SD or KC go up that high. If it's a 7 year deal, I bet it's not more than $100 million. The only way that Hosmer can affect JDM is by getting the widely reported offers of KC 7/140 and SD 7/147. Boras would definitely use any reports even the ones he fabricated to get his clients the best deal. Their markets are not related though other than through Boras. Why do the Red Sox care what Hosmer is getting? If the Red Sox bow out on JDM, JDM isn't getting crap regardless of what Hosmer gets. The Royals and the Padres have no interest in JDM. Plus, I still don't believe those reports. He would have signed if he had those offers. This is the last I see on him from mlbtraderumors.com: 9:43am: Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star reports that the Royals have not made an offer worth $147MM over seven years to Hosmer, though they remain interested in re-signing him. Mellinger’s report doesn’t specifically refute the length of the offer or that one has been made. Nightengale did stress in yesterday’s report that the length of the offer was confirmed by at least one “high-ranking” member of the Royals, though it’s certainly possible that the overall guarantee has been overstated. Jan. 4, 9:20am: Boras dismissed Nightengale’s numbers as “inaccurate” when speaking to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription required and highly recommended), though he offered no further detail beyond that point. Rosenthal agrees with Nightengale’s assessment that Hosmer is seeking a larger contract both in length and total guarantee, noting that Hosmer is younger than the bulk of free agents that have received contracts of seven or more years in length. Jan. 3, 1:25pm: San Diego’s offer is at seven years but has not reached $140MM, a source tells Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 17:30:15 GMT -5
The only way that Hosmer can affect JDM is by getting the widely reported offers of KC 7/140 and SD 7/147. Boras would definitely use any reports even the ones he fabricated to get his clients the best deal. Their markets are not related though other than through Boras. Why do the Red Sox care what Hosmer is getting? If the Red Sox bow out on JDM, JDM isn't getting crap regardless of what Hosmer gets. The Royals and the Padres have no interest in JDM. Plus, I still don't believe those reports. He would have signed if he had those offers. This is the last I see on him from mlbtraderumors.com: 9:43am: Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star reports that the Royals have not made an offer worth $147MM over seven years to Hosmer, though they remain interested in re-signing him. Mellinger’s report doesn’t specifically refute the length of the offer or that one has been made. Nightengale did stress in yesterday’s report that the length of the offer was confirmed by at least one “high-ranking” member of the Royals, though it’s certainly possible that the overall guarantee has been overstated. Jan. 4, 9:20am: Boras dismissed Nightengale’s numbers as “inaccurate” when speaking to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription required and highly recommended), though he offered no further detail beyond that point. Rosenthal agrees with Nightengale’s assessment that Hosmer is seeking a larger contract both in length and total guarantee, noting that Hosmer is younger than the bulk of free agents that have received contracts of seven or more years in length. Jan. 3, 1:25pm: San Diego’s offer is at seven years but has not reached $140MM, a source tells Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter). Good stuff. So Boras making his own fake news? And those were the only two"reports" that I heard of Hosmer getting offers. Interesting. Thanks for digging up those reports.It shows what kind of games are being played in the free agent Market
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jan 17, 2018 13:45:29 GMT -5
Hm.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 17, 2018 13:56:30 GMT -5
So they're basically offering him Pablo Sandoval money? Geez. Not hard to understand why JD Martinez isn't jumping all over that. If that's the Sox final offer they won't wind up with him. He'll probably hold out until some other team loses a key bat and gets desperate.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2018 14:01:34 GMT -5
So they're basically offering him Pablo Sandoval money? Geez. Not hard to understand why JD Martinez isn't jumping all over that. If that's the Sox final offer they won't wind up with him. He'll probably hold out until some other team loses a key bat and gets desperate. You don't make your final offer while negotiating. That's exactly where I'd expect them to be right now. Handing him a lot more money than that is bidding against themselves. They have to assume that JDM actually wants to play baseball and not just retire because he's not happy with $100 million because I highly doubt anyone is giving him more than that. The Red Sox were in a bidding war over Pablo, and that hurts to say out loud. They probably started out at 4/$70 for him.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 17, 2018 14:16:59 GMT -5
So they're basically offering him Pablo Sandoval money? Geez. Not hard to understand why JD Martinez isn't jumping all over that. If that's the Sox final offer they won't wind up with him. He'll probably hold out until some other team loses a key bat and gets desperate. You don't make your final offer while negotiating. That's exactly where I'd expect them to be right now. Handing him a lot more money than that is bidding against themselves. They have to assume that JDM actually wants to play baseball and not just retire because he's not happy with $100 million because I highly doubt anyone is giving him more than that. The Red Sox were in a bidding war over Pablo, and that hurts to say out loud. They probably started out at 4/$70 for him. There are teams which could give more than that. There is also the possibility of a one year contract at a high salary.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2018 14:23:49 GMT -5
You don't make your final offer while negotiating. That's exactly where I'd expect them to be right now. Handing him a lot more money than that is bidding against themselves. They have to assume that JDM actually wants to play baseball and not just retire because he's not happy with $100 million because I highly doubt anyone is giving him more than that. The Red Sox were in a bidding war over Pablo, and that hurts to say out loud. They probably started out at 4/$70 for him. There are teams which could give more than that. There is also the possibility of a one year contract at a high salary. The Red Sox could give more than that too if any other team actually shows more than wishful thinking when it comes to signing him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 17, 2018 14:36:39 GMT -5
5 years 100 million does seem a bit of a low ball but taking stock of the market for him I bet he doesn't get a whole lot more than that in the end so hopefully this saga ends soon.
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Post by MLBDreams on Jan 17, 2018 14:39:51 GMT -5
The Red Sox made the offer to JDM as 5 yr/100 mil range contract per source from Buster Olney on Twitter.
I think it's right amount for him as preliminary.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 17, 2018 14:56:42 GMT -5
Dombrowski was quoted in today's Herald that he's satisfied with the team as is. Guess he feels that replacing the manager is enough to get it past the first round.
Or he's sending a message to Boras that he's in no hurry to make a deal.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 17, 2018 14:59:06 GMT -5
Dombrowski was quoted in today's Herald that he's satisfied with the team as is. Guess he feels that replacing the manager is enough to get it past the first round. Or he's sending a message to Boras that he's in no hurry to make a deal. For the most part I would assume that is posturing but I do think the team as is would still be a playoff team so maybe he does feel satisfied with the team on some level. I am sure he will go out and make at least 1 signing whether that ends up being Martinez or a guy like Nunez.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 17, 2018 16:09:41 GMT -5
If we sealed the deal at say 6/$132, I'd be pretty happy about it personally.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 17, 2018 17:00:34 GMT -5
So they're basically offering him Pablo Sandoval money? Geez. Not hard to understand why JD Martinez isn't jumping all over that. If that's the Sox final offer they won't wind up with him. He'll probably hold out until some other team loses a key bat and gets desperate. You don't make your final offer while negotiating. That's exactly where I'd expect them to be right now. Handing him a lot more money than that is bidding against themselves. They have to assume that JDM actually wants to play baseball and not just retire because he's not happy with $100 million because I highly doubt anyone is giving him more than that. The Red Sox were in a bidding war over Pablo, and that hurts to say out loud. They probably started out at 4/$70 for him. Jeez, isn't that how the Sox started out with Jon Lester? That doesn't instill a ton of confidence. At some point hopefully soon the Sox move past the initial offer stage and start getting to a compromise figure that works out, and I say compromise because NO team is going to give JD Martinez and Boras what they want.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2018 17:18:03 GMT -5
You don't make your final offer while negotiating. That's exactly where I'd expect them to be right now. Handing him a lot more money than that is bidding against themselves. They have to assume that JDM actually wants to play baseball and not just retire because he's not happy with $100 million because I highly doubt anyone is giving him more than that. The Red Sox were in a bidding war over Pablo, and that hurts to say out loud. They probably started out at 4/$70 for him. Jeez, isn't that how the Sox started out with Jon Lester? That doesn't instill a ton of confidence. At some point hopefully soon the Sox move past the initial offer stage and start getting to a compromise figure that works out, and I say compromise because NO team is going to give JD Martinez and Boras what they want. I meant that's probably where they started with Pablo and the bidding war drove the price up. There is no bidding war on JDM and I don't expect one to start. It's up to Boras to blink first since there is no other market for him. DD already lost this game once with Prince Fielder so I'm sure he learned from that.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jan 17, 2018 18:02:07 GMT -5
I will guess that the Sox do not sign him. I am now of the same opinion. DD don't give in to Darth Vader Aka: Scott Boras! Perhaps see how our new manager debuts, showing sox fans what we all have known for several years what a real game manager looks and acts like (sorry about veering off subject).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2018 18:53:15 GMT -5
Just my two sense, but we made an offer a long time ago. Sounds like Boras leaking information again so it helps his client. For me this is just an negotiation, he wanted 7 years 200 million, we started at 5 years around a 100 million. Which is a very interesting choice of words, around a 100 million. That could be a decent size range. 5 years 125 million was my guess before Boras was hired. Would be thrilled at those numbers, 6 years 132 is also very good. I just hate adding that extra year, but 22 million per is a great figure.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 17, 2018 21:19:12 GMT -5
I hate this off-season. I don't know what to believe. Spring training needs to start already.
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Post by taftreign on Jan 17, 2018 23:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2018 23:08:23 GMT -5
I hate this off-season. I don't know what to believe. Spring training needs to start already. It's all Boras. Leak information, so he gets air time and press.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2018 23:15:23 GMT -5
I dare anyone to go that route. I don't see how it ends well. What get one year deal and then on market next year? Go against a ton of truly elite free agents?
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