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Kalish likely to miss time with another surgery
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 25, 2013 15:07:37 GMT -5
Matthew Stucko @mlb_Prospects BREAKING| OF Ryan Kalish likely to miss more time with another surgery. Another setback for former redsox 2010 Team ROY @mlb @minorleagues Matthew Stucko @mlb_Prospects Will have more news on redsox OF Ryan Kalish soon, but good chance he will not be ready in time for Spring Training & quite some time @mlb Matthew Stucko @mlb_Prospects By redsox Ryan Kalish getting late start to 2013, this opens door for OF Bryce Brentz & Jackie Bradley Jr. out the gate @minorleagues @mlb When did this happen?
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Post by remember04 on Jan 25, 2013 15:31:02 GMT -5
Other than "what the hell" I don't know what to say.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 25, 2013 15:34:07 GMT -5
I don't know who Matt Stucko is, so maybe he knows something I don't, but I don't see this "opening the door" for Brentz and JBJ. I think most likely this settles the question of whether you have Nava, or Kalish as your fourth outfielder/LF platoon, and maybe opens the door for someone like Hassan, Linares, or Hazelbaker to sit on the bench. I doubt they feel either Brentz or JBJ are ready.
Really sucks about Kalish though, he's one of my favorites for a couple years back, and I really thought he'd be an above average regular in RF by now.
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Post by hammerhead on Jan 25, 2013 16:01:07 GMT -5
Kalish is just snakebit. It reminds me of Lowrie. He could have come to Spring and wowed everyone, but now he'll be back re-habbing in the minors and who knows where he ends up from there.... I'd have to think a trade or waiver wire claim is in the works for a LHH.
I wonder if the sox knew this when they protected Hazelbaker and Hassan from the Rule 5? maybe they just knew Kalish was injury prone and thought they'd need outfielders, before they would need Fields.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 25, 2013 16:12:25 GMT -5
I don't know who Matt Stucko is, so maybe he knows something I don't, but I don't see this "opening the door" for Brentz and JBJ. I think most likely this settles the question of whether you have Nava, or Kalish as your fourth outfielder/LF platoon, and maybe opens the door for someone like Hassan, Linares, or Haz belbaker to sit on the bench. I doubt they feel either Brentz or JBJ are ready. Really sucks about Kalish though, he's one of my favorites for a couple years back, and I really thought he'd be an above average regular in RF by now. JBJ/Brentz would really have to have a special spring to break camp with the team. I think this team adds another lefty bat to the team.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 25, 2013 16:34:53 GMT -5
Remember everyone being afraid of "blocking" Kalish earlier this offseason? That was fun. This is why you build depth and don't hand over jobs to people who haven't had success in years.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 25, 2013 16:48:31 GMT -5
Remember everyone being afraid of "blocking" Kalish earlier this offseason? No. Was that really a thing?
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Post by jmei on Jan 25, 2013 17:13:47 GMT -5
Ryan Sweeney is still a free agent and is a career .293/.347/.402 hitter versus RHP. That's not great or even good, but he's good defensively in RF, can even play a passable CF for a few games if necessary, and is a decent baserunner. For the major league minimum, he wouldn't be the worst option as the 5th outfielder on Opening Day, although guys like Linares or Hazelbaker (or trade option X) would have every opportunity to usurp him down the road.
Of course, you'd also need one of Nava, Ortiz, Saltalamacchia, or even Sweeney to commit to being the backup first baseman, and none of those names are ideal (in order: short, old, catcher, never played it before), but I'd rather hope one of them can play a credible 1B than bring in Gomez/Kotchman/etc. and rely on one of Nava/Gomes as your backup RF.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 25, 2013 17:46:15 GMT -5
Ryan Sweeney is still a free agent and is a career .293/.347/.402 hitter versus RHP. That's not great or even good, but he's good defensively in RF, can even play a passable CF for a few games if necessary, and is a decent baserunner. For the major league minimum, he wouldn't be the worst option as the 5th outfielder on Opening Day, although guys like Linares or Hazelbaker (or trade option X) would have every opportunity to usurp him down the road. Of course, you'd also need one of Nava, Ortiz, Saltalamacchia, or even Sweeney to commit to being the backup first baseman, and none of those names are ideal (in order: short, old, catcher, never played it before), but I'd rather hope one of them can play a credible 1B than bring in Gomez/Kotchman/etc. and rely on one of Nava/Gomes as your backup RF. While Brentz is not ready to give it a try, I have no doubt - none at all - that Bradley could improve Sweeney's pathetic line right now, and with better defense. The only question is whether you want him sitting on the bench.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 25, 2013 17:47:42 GMT -5
Remember everyone being afraid of "blocking" Kalish earlier this offseason? No. Was that really a thing? Actually I don't remember it either. I thought we all knew/figured he had to prove something playing everyday in Pawtucket.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 25, 2013 17:49:32 GMT -5
Whatever. At this point the Sox can't pencil Kalish in for anything. It's a sad turn, but the team has to go on the assumption that he isn't going to be there for the foreseeable future.
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Post by jmei on Jan 25, 2013 18:01:04 GMT -5
While Brentz is not ready to give it a try, I have no doubt - none at all - that Bradley could improve Sweeney's pathetic line right now, and with better defense. The only question is whether you want him sitting on the bench. Bradley has all of 271 PAs in AA, and he wasn't exactly lighting it up to end the season. I think it's a terrible idea to interrupt his development, especially to make him the 5th outfielder in Boston so he gets 30 PAs a month. Maybe in July or August, if all goes well, but it would be incredibly shortsighted to consider him an option to start the season, even if Ellsbury or Victorino suffer an injury in Spring Training and need to spend considerable time on the DL.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 25, 2013 19:54:57 GMT -5
As I said, the only question is whether you want him on the bench. You've laid out the argument for why the team wouldn't want that. And man, stop that talk about the injuries, it gives me the creeps.
Edit: I've got one more reason why. It would be nice to have a lefthander who might exercise the outfielders a little bit. Even though I think Bradley would do a better job of that than Sweeney, he's not really a power guy either. Unless Ellsbury finds a way to channel his 2011 self, neither he nor Victorino is a bet to hit 20 home runs. That might count for something given that Middlebrooks has to show he's as real a longball threat as he was last year, and that Napoli has health issues. Gomes' other half could get them over that hump if there's some pop in the bat. The team has put some balance back into the lineup with the signings. Sending a lefty against them will be a little more dangerous than it was at the end of last year. Nonetheless, at least one corner threat would be nice.
If no more moves are made, I think Nava's the best choice right now. That still leaves them very thin at the ML level.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 25, 2013 20:16:24 GMT -5
Ryan Sweeney is still a free agent and is a career .293/.347/.402 hitter versus RHP. That's not great or even good, but he's good defensively in RF, can even play a passable CF for a few games if necessary, and is a decent baserunner. For the major league minimum, he wouldn't be the worst option as the 5th outfielder on Opening Day, although guys like Linares or Hazelbaker (or trade option X) would have every opportunity to usurp him down the road. Of course, you'd also need one of Nava, Ortiz, Saltalamacchia, or even Sweeney to commit to being the backup first baseman, and none of those names are ideal (in order: short, old, catcher, never played it before), but I'd rather hope one of them can play a credible 1B than bring in Gomez/Kotchman/etc. and rely on one of Nava/Gomes as your backup RF. And the Red Sox just signed Sweeney to a minor league deal.
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Post by jmei on Jan 25, 2013 21:13:04 GMT -5
Ryan Sweeney is still a free agent and is a career .293/.347/.402 hitter versus RHP. That's not great or even good, but he's good defensively in RF, can even play a passable CF for a few games if necessary, and is a decent baserunner. For the major league minimum, he wouldn't be the worst option as the 5th outfielder on Opening Day, although guys like Linares or Hazelbaker (or trade option X) would have every opportunity to usurp him down the road. Of course, you'd also need one of Nava, Ortiz, Saltalamacchia, or even Sweeney to commit to being the backup first baseman, and none of those names are ideal (in order: short, old, catcher, never played it before), but I'd rather hope one of them can play a credible 1B than bring in Gomez/Kotchman/etc. and rely on one of Nava/Gomes as your backup RF. And the Red Sox just signed Sweeney to a minor league deal.
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Post by mainesox on Jan 25, 2013 21:16:46 GMT -5
And the Red Sox just signed Sweeney to a minor league deal. Quick, talk about about trading filler for Kershaw or something!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 26, 2013 7:41:14 GMT -5
Whatever. At this point the Sox can't pencil Kalish in for anything. It's a sad turn, but the team has to go on the assumption that he isn't going to be there for the foreseeable future. Kalish. Lowrie. Daeges. Westmoreland. That's a lot of potential talent to have curtailed/derailed by injury. And of course there have been other, lesser-known prospects also derailed in the same way. I don't follow prospects in general across the sport enough to know, but I am assuming that the Sox are not unique in this regard, losing or derailing potentially important talent via injury. I presume all teams have this problem -- it's no small part of the attrition rate for prospects.
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Post by benfromma on Jan 26, 2013 8:31:24 GMT -5
I don't feel that Ben was counting on Kalish for beginning of the season, he was hoping that being healthy @ Pawtucket he would be ready to produce in June or July. So this injury stinks and really sets us back because know we don't know if his injury situation will ever allow him to reach his potential. I know that ben still wants a left handed bat to play first base and outfield and a trade may still be in the works. Sweeney is a good signing because he is an ok hitter (no power) and an excellent fielder, which Nava is only average at best and cannot play CF. Sweeney still could make the team even if another left handed outfielder/first baseman is added as the fifth outfielder and if he doesn't he is depth at Pawtucket.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 26, 2013 8:58:39 GMT -5
From the short Globe story: Kalish, 24, is set to again undergo surgery on his right, nonthrowing shoulder, with Dr. Lewis Yocum performing the operation.
Kalish had shoulder surgery last offseason after suffering a torn labrum, and that was after surgery to repair a bulging disk in his neck.
It was thought that resting this offseason would alleviate the pain Kalish was experiencing, but when he started to swing a bat earlier this month, the discomfort returned. So it's not so much that he's "snakebit" or generically injury prone, it seems. It's possibly worse, a recurring problem with the same shoulder. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2013/01/26/ryan-kalish-red-sox-undergo-shoulder-surgery/YSwTa6WEdFw8TPS9jzRsZJ/story.html
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Post by jmei on Jan 26, 2013 10:27:31 GMT -5
Labrum surgery is often a career-ender for pitchers (Brandon Webb, Mark Prior, Mark Mulder, etc.). It looks like it might be a career-ender for Kalish, too. He'll have missed at least 2.5 years because of that diving catch and if multiple surgeries and months and months of rehab haven't alleviated the pain, it's hard to see Kalish bouncing back from this one. Tough to say though-- he was one of my favorite prospects.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 26, 2013 12:47:52 GMT -5
I believe Kalish's surgery last offseason was on his left shoulder. That's what was reported at the time, at least.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 26, 2013 14:54:04 GMT -5
It's spilled milk, I know, but don't you think Cherington wishes he resisted the tempts tion to add a certain Oakland RP to the staff last off season?
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Post by remember04 on Jan 26, 2013 16:53:43 GMT -5
It's spilled milk, I know, but don't you think Cherington wishes he resisted the tempts tion to add a certain Oakland RP to the staff last off season? I think this speaks more about possibly trading away prospects before they bust than it does holding onto every last one. Imagine what we could've gotten for Anderson and Kalish at the right time. Also to date Reddick has a good half a season under his belt and that's it. He's not Jeff Bagwell 2.0 yet.
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Post by jmei on Jan 26, 2013 17:02:45 GMT -5
I believe Kalish's surgery last offseason was on his left shoulder. That's what was reported at the time, at least. Good point. I don't know if the fact that he's now missed significant portions of three seasons for three apparently unrelated injuries is any better than doing so because of one reoccurring injury, though.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 26, 2013 17:52:58 GMT -5
It's spilled milk, I know, but don't you think Cherington wishes he resisted the tempts tion to add a certain Oakland RP to the staff last off season? I think this speaks more about possibly trading away prospects before they bust than it does holding onto every last one. Imagine what we could've gotten for Anderson and Kalish at the right time. Also to date Reddick has a good half a season under his belt and that's it. He's not Jeff Bagwell 2.0 yet. Throw in Miles Head and the A's come out way a-Head. Bailey isn't even a closer for us.
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