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Post by splendidsplinter on May 25, 2018 11:04:38 GMT -5
They still have 7 days to make a trade with him. They might get a decent minor leaguer in return. Or nothing. I think we'll see a lot more of Swihart now. Maybe he gets into a groove. I guess they really like him, so now at least he can play a little more. He can DH when JD is in left. My head is still reeling. Nobody saw this coming. If somebody had suggested it, people would have called him crazy. Maybe DD is just smarter than the rest of us. The Sox added up all the pluses and minuses. That vesting option was a big elephant in the room. Once they decided that they didn’t want it and started sitting him, it would have most likely created division in the clubhouse. They gave him his audition and they didn’t see enough. Best to put this behind them and avoid the distraction. Hopefully, he finds a good landing spot. Hanley was much better than Pablo but I’m glad to see an end to their era.
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Post by marrcus on May 25, 2018 11:06:41 GMT -5
I didn't know what was going to happen this season but I was sure that one way or another RS were not picking up that '19 option. Since he's as healthy as he's ever been (?) and on pace for the PA's easily, they had to do something. They won't get any relief with someone picking up the deal (anybody that dumb?) so they are just eating this years money to save on the option. The timing: have to believe he's seen as a distraction now as there's no other excuse for not waiting to the AS break at least.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2018 11:09:10 GMT -5
RE: The vesting option Here's my take, though I would leave it to the lawyers: If someone were to take on Hanley's contract, they would be on the hook for the vesting option. If he clears waivers and is released, he would sign a totally new contract, and the Red Sox tax hit would be only the remaining 2018 salary minus whatever he signed for the rest of the season. Since it would be a totally new contract, it would not have the vesting option. He would be bound to his new contract, which probably isn't going to give him the vesting language, and if it did it would fall on the team signing him. I think this is right. The only thing I found looking that was new to me is that options that vest based on conditions are considered Club Options in the CBA for the purposes of calculating the CBT, and therefore, they are not considered guaranteed years (player options are considered guaranteed for CBT purposes and counted in the AAV calculation). So the Sox are on the hook for this year if he's not traded or claimed, but not next year. Thinking it through, the club also probably wanted to avoid both Hanley souring in the clubhouse if they didn't play him as well as a potential Union grievance.
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Post by wildsox on May 25, 2018 11:10:13 GMT -5
Shocked. I loved Hanley but this is absolutely the right move.
I have to guess that he wasn’t going to be happy on the bench behind Moreland and that switch was ready to happen. Yes, he could still run into pitches and hit them a long way but he refused to change his approach and became and easy out. Moreland is much better in the field too.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 25, 2018 11:13:28 GMT -5
The DFA is a formality as there is no team that is going to trade for him and likely be stuck with paying Hanley the remaining $15 million of his current year's salary or assume the risk that his $22 million option for 2019 kicks in.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 25, 2018 11:21:03 GMT -5
Wow, surprised this happened. I have mixed emotions about it, I really hope they don’t play Moreland against lefties.
Sad that this is how Hanley’s tenure went here. I was very excited when they originally got him, he clearly wanted to ba back in Boston. But left field was a disaster, and his declining athleticism and injuries made the offensive bar very high for him to be useful. It’s too bad that save for 2016, he wasn’t able to provide much value.
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Post by ianrs on May 25, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -5
Anyone see the video of Hanley messing around in catchers gear in front of Swihart sitting on the bench? Hes no longer a good player, and, while funny, was becoming an expensive distraction. Sad to see, but not too surprising. Glsd DD had the gall to make this move.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 25, 2018 11:24:02 GMT -5
Also, who is the backup 1B now. This has to be Pedroia countermove, so that assumes they won't be calling up Travis. Nunez. Swihart
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Post by voiceofreason on May 25, 2018 11:24:08 GMT -5
Initially shocked by this move especially since it is out of leftfield, no pun intended, as I didn't see it brought up here even once. Usually their is some inkling to a move, not this time.
After reading all the responses I have come to think it was a good move even if you are giving up on a guy whose upside to produce is higher than most on the roster, he just wasn't getting it done. The problem I have is that even though he wasn't producing it just seems like the offense isn't very deep.
One question, could the Sox be relieved of enough of his salary to make a trade deadline deal for a rental bat and still be ok with the 137 cap. I say this because their is very little pop on the bench hence little wiggle room with an injury.
Is it too much to ask for JBJ to get his shite together and have 1 or 2 of his monster months over the next 4? That would solve many issues I have.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 11:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by wildsox on May 25, 2018 11:30:37 GMT -5
I do like the fact that Sam Travis will no longer be buried and should get a look. Time to see what he can bring
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 25, 2018 11:31:26 GMT -5
One thing that confuses me. If he gets his plate apearances with another team...Does that mean the option can still Vest with us on the hook? Or did it have to be with the Red Sox? That's a good question that I'm waiting for an answer on. The way I interpret the Speier article, it's no longer the Sox problem. Keep in mind that Hanley still has some 300+ plate appearances before it vests. That has trade value even for a team that has no intention of letting it vest. Basically the highest bidder with the Sox eating the balance of the money due him for this year.
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Post by klostrophobic on May 25, 2018 11:43:21 GMT -5
Final line in Boston: 1798 PA, .332 wOBA from one of the worst defensive players in the game. He did have a nice couple hundred at bats in 2016, though. Team just got better and saved 22 million to pay for half of Mookie's 2020 salary.
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Post by huskies15 on May 25, 2018 11:43:31 GMT -5
I genuinely enjoy Hanley and wish things would have worked out better. Ballsy move by DD and I hope it works out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2018 11:44:05 GMT -5
I do like the fact that Sam Travis will no longer be buried and should get a look. Time to see what he can bring He is currently hitting .222/.284/.333 in Pawtucket. Since coming off the DL he's 3 for 34 with 1 walk and 18 strikeouts. He is a very long way from getting any kind of look.
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Post by jimoh on May 25, 2018 11:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 25, 2018 11:49:12 GMT -5
Initially shocked by this move especially since it is out of leftfield, no pun intended, as I didn't see it brought up here even once. Usually their is some inkling to a move, not this time. After reading all the responses I have come to think it was a good move even if you are giving up on a guy whose upside to produce is higher than most on the roster, he just wasn't getting it done. The problem I have is that even though he wasn't producing it just seems like the offense isn't very deep. One question, could the Sox be relieved of enough of his salary to make a trade deadline deal for a rental bat and still be ok with the 137 cap. I say this because their is very little pop on the bench hence little wiggle room with an injury. Is it too much to ask for JBJ to get his shite together and have 1 or 2 of his monster months over the next 4? That would solve many issues I have. I was also surprised but not surprised that it wasn't Swihart. All week there have been rumor reports that DD was asking a lot for Swihart and wasn't likely to budge. Also, yesterday, Cora pretty much said JBJ wouldn't be optioned and Nunez wouldn't be put on the DL. I was thinking that left only Holt. Pleasantly wrong. This also doesn't necessarily mean JBJ will get more playing time. JDM still wants outfield time. It mainly means the DH slot will be rotated more.
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Post by awall on May 25, 2018 11:49:58 GMT -5
will be interesting to see if they can get anyone useful in return this week. i like the move.
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Post by wildsox on May 25, 2018 11:53:36 GMT -5
I do like the fact that Sam Travis will no longer be buried and should get a look. Time to see what he can bring He is currently hitting .222/.284/.333 in Pawtucket. Since coming off the DL he's 3 for 34 with 1 walk and 18 strikeouts. He is a very long way from getting any kind of look. I realize that. I gotta think he might get a little jump in his step knowing there could be an opportunity in the Majors in the coming months which didn’t look likely yesterday. I have to think it was difficult after his last 2 spring trainings going back to the minors with no opening in sight.
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Post by marrcus on May 25, 2018 11:59:31 GMT -5
can get anyone useful "
I just don't see anybody touching him until he clears so they won't be getting anything. Nobody will deal with that option even if they don't intend on letting it vest.
I don't remember any contract that large that caused a club to sit a healthy player preventing him from PA's needed? Looks like the RS just didn't want to deal with that. If he was hitting they would have waited but I'm convinced they weren't going the whole season with him. The slump just moved things up.
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Post by danr on May 25, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -5
Moreland currently has an OPS+ of 162, compared to his career average of 101, which includes this year's performance. Thus, his historic OPS+ is below the 100 average point. It is not reasonable to expect that he will continue to hit as he has so far if he is playing full-time. However, he still will be a defensive asset. It is possible that his performance might continue to be above his historical averages if he splits some time with Swihart, or someone else.
When Hanley hit into two DPs the other night, including the one with the bases loaded, I thought he should be benched for a while. I didn't anticipate the DFA, but once I got over the initial shock, it made a lot of sense. It is a gutsy move and I think better than cutting one of the other guys.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 25, 2018 12:15:22 GMT -5
can get anyone useful "
I just don't see anybody touching him until he clears so they won't be getting anything. Nobody will deal with that option even if they don't intend on letting it vest. I don't remember any contract that large that caused a club to sit a healthy player preventing him from PA's needed? Looks like the RS just didn't want to deal with that. If he was hitting they would have waited but I'm convinced they weren't going the whole season with him. The slump just moved things up. This. No way they are getting anyone at all for Hanley.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2018 12:16:43 GMT -5
That news made my day.
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Post by m1keyboots on May 25, 2018 12:21:10 GMT -5
This isn't the most popular opinion I've found on the site, but I'm not sure this was the best move. It surely was a smart move in some ways...heres to hoping Blake can play some positions and actually hit at this level, and Mitch stays being himself :/
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Post by Guidas on May 25, 2018 12:23:30 GMT -5
Shocked. I was hoping Hanley would turn it around, but I didn’t want that option to vest. If this is the coresponding move to bringing Pedroia up Dustin must be more than a little chagrinned. He and Hanley are close friends from what I’ve read and heard. They came up together.
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