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6/14-6/17 Red Sox @ Mariners Series Thread
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Post by terriblehondo on Jun 15, 2018 9:16:49 GMT -5
Last year at this time many (including me) were hoping that Price opts out of his contract at the end of the 2018 season. Now not so much. He has pitched very well the last month, 4-0, 2.70 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 9.9 SO/9. He clearly doesn't like dealing with the Boston media and he likely would be much happier in some place like Anaheim or St. Louis. www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=priceda01&year=2018&t=pThat's the thing with opt-outs, right? If a player is good enough that you'd want him to not opt out, then he's going to opt out. If he's not good enough to opt out, that means he's not worth his contract on the open market, so of course you'd want him to. Opt outs are dumb. I mean, they're fine for a JD Martinez situation when 29 other teams are being stupid and the risk is so low that you don't really care. But to put $200M+ risk into a contract with an opt out, guaranteeing there's no way you'd ever get a $200M value in reward? That's dumb. I think the word is desperate and not dumb. The fact they have not developed any starting pitching forced the Price and the Sale deal. Of course they could have just said screw it and sucked like half the teams are doing this year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 15, 2018 9:31:23 GMT -5
Have there ever been age questions on King Felix? Seems a bit odd for such a dramatic drop-off at 30. Maybe Tim Lincecum was actually 35 when he was drafted.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 15, 2018 9:56:41 GMT -5
Good game last night. The King, who's been pitching in the majors since he was, what 19?, has flipped the script around to re-invent himself. He uses the breaking stuff to put people away and sneaks a not-so-fastball in every so often. This is a guy who had a killer changeup and it can still kill (ask Betts), and every pitch moves.
The were only a few hard hit balls, Bradley's smash down the right field line and the streak that Bogaerts launched, a liner that powered right through the evening murk. That and a bunch of flares, seeing-eye grounders, and the fly balls that so often wind up in somebody's glove here at night.
If you're looking for offense, then don't watch this evening. Paxton is healthy and dealing, and he's their best pitcher. If he played in NY they'd erect a monument. He's been tough on the Sox in the recent past. Expect that to continue.
A better bet is the Saturday game which will start at 5:00 here, we'll before the sun goes down. The best is Sunday: 80° mid-day game, cloudless sky. May be some baseballs flying around.
Add: Also, it's my opinion, but Vazquez and Kimbrel had a few conversations before the ninth. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he wanted to work on that vicious slider and asked to get that pitch highlighted. That didn't work out so well as others have pointed out.
Wish I'd had my camera ready when that DP grounder ended the game. My wife was jumping up and down, hands in the air...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2018 10:07:18 GMT -5
Have there ever been age questions on King Felix? Seems a bit odd for such a dramatic drop-off at 30. Sometimes when pitchers come up and succeed at such an early age their careers kind of decline at an age earlier than expected. Dwight Gooden and Fernando Valenzuela were two pitchers that came up who you would have sworn would have been hall of famers down the road, and they had really good careers, but came up short of be Hall worthy. That unfortunately might be what's happening to Hernandez. He's had a heavy workload and sometimes it catches up earlier than the majority whose careers gets off the ground later.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 15, 2018 10:14:28 GMT -5
After another Eduardo Nunez performance that featured such classic hits as "going 0-for-4" and "making an atrocious defensive play," why don't we take a moment to check on the fangraphs numbers for our favorite player. Where does he rank?
ISO: .105, 16th worst in the majors BB%: 2.8%, 2nd worst OBP: .274, 12th worst wRC+: 66, 12th worst BsR: -4.5, 2nd worst O-Swing%: 42.1%, 3rd worst Hard contact: 26.3%, 10th worst WAR: -0.6, 6th worst
Their stats aren't even picking up how bad he's been defensively. He's truly a renaissance man of awful baseball.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 15, 2018 10:27:06 GMT -5
After another Eduardo Nunez performance that featured such classic hits as "going 0-for-4" and "making an atrocious defensive play," why don't we take a moment to check on the fangraphs numbers for our favorite player. Where does he rank? ISO: .105, 16th worst in the majors BB%: 2.8%, 2nd worst OBP: .274, 12th worst wRC+: 66, 12th worst BsR: -4.5, 2nd worst O-Swing%: 42.1%, 3rd worst Hard contact: 26.3%, 10th worst WAR: -0.6, 6th worst Their stats aren't even picking up how bad he's been defensively. He's truly a renaissance man of awful baseball. Does anyone have Alex Cora's email? Maybe you could forward him the stats?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 15, 2018 10:35:28 GMT -5
Have there ever been age questions on King Felix? Seems a bit odd for such a dramatic drop-off at 30. Sometimes when pitchers come up and succeed at such an early age their careers kind of decline at an age earlier than expected. Dwight Gooden and Fernando Valenzuela were two pitchers that came up who you would have sworn would have been hall of famers down the road, and they had really good careers, but came up short of be Hall worthy.
That unfortunately might be what's happening to Hernandez. He's had a heavy workload and sometimes it catches up earlier than the majority whose careers gets off the ground later. Just glancing at a pitching leaderboard from the 2008, look at these names: Lincecum, last good season at age 27 Haren, last good season at age 30 Johan Santana, 31 Sabathia, has stuck around but done as an ace by 31 Gil Meche, last good season age 29 It's really not hard to find examples of pitchers where were either done or permanently diminished right around age 30. If anything, it's the typical aging patten.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 15, 2018 11:12:18 GMT -5
Price continues to stroll along. Take out the Yankee game and he’s been pretty solid this year.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 15, 2018 11:34:04 GMT -5
After another Eduardo Nunez performance that featured such classic hits as "going 0-for-4" and "making an atrocious defensive play," why don't we take a moment to check on the fangraphs numbers for our favorite player. Where does he rank? ISO: .105, 16th worst in the majors BB%: 2.8%, 2nd worst OBP: .274, 12th worst wRC+: 66, 12th worst BsR: -4.5, 2nd worst O-Swing%: 42.1%, 3rd worst Hard contact: 26.3%, 10th worst WAR: -0.6, 6th worst Their stats aren't even picking up how bad he's been defensively. He's truly a renaissance man of awful baseball. Does anyone have Alex Cora's email? Maybe you could forward him the stats? Aside from the fact that Holt has a 125 wRC+ this year and Nunez has a 66, and Holt is a career +3 R/150 DRS at 2B and Nunez is -29, I don't see the argument for playing Holt over Nunez.
Of course that -29 is a small sample size, and it is true that before this year he was -29.7 in 359 innings, and this year, in contrast, he's -29.4 in 454 innings.
Cora did say that Holt would be getting the bulk of the PT going forward, although not in a strict platoon.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 15, 2018 11:52:05 GMT -5
I got the chance to go to a Sox game at Safeco in 2016. I'll always remember it as the game before Benintendi made his MLB debut (womp womp). Chris, in that case....we missed each other by a day! I complain about not getting to go to Fenway, but I've been super lucky in the past two years with Benintendi and Devers making their debuts in Seattle.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 15, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -5
Sometimes when pitchers come up and succeed at such an early age their careers kind of decline at an age earlier than expected. Dwight Gooden and Fernando Valenzuela were two pitchers that came up who you would have sworn would have been hall of famers down the road, and they had really good careers, but came up short of be Hall worthy.
That unfortunately might be what's happening to Hernandez. He's had a heavy workload and sometimes it catches up earlier than the majority whose careers gets off the ground later. Just glancing at a pitching leaderboard from the 2008, look at these names: Lincecum, last good season at age 27 Haren, last good season at age 30 Johan Santana, 31 Sabathia, has stuck around but done as an ace by 31 Gil Meche, last good season age 29 It's really not hard to find examples of pitchers where were either done or permanently diminished right around age 30. If anything, it's the typical aging patten. Fair enough. Felix had more of an "ideal" pitcher's build than most of those guys, his high inning count years are not absurd, and he had no injury history into his late 20s. I guess I expected more of a Mussina/Schilling/Clemens (ha) generational talent aging curve given how long he maintained stellar performance.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jun 15, 2018 15:23:40 GMT -5
Remember when we all thought Xander was a goner at SS because of his defense? The strides he has made there are extremely impressive.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2018 21:08:35 GMT -5
Let's do this. We can take care of Paxton
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2018 21:21:39 GMT -5
Wow...hoping they get a good look this first time through. And Porcello best have his A game!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 15, 2018 21:23:14 GMT -5
Price wouldnt opt out still, with all his tommy john potential, doubtful anyone would pay more than what he is owed
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2018 21:42:58 GMT -5
Can understand why Porcello did what he did, but really should just take 2 there and be down 2-0
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2018 22:03:58 GMT -5
Going to be a crazy game, I think. Paxton approaching 60 pitches already in the third - we will be into their pen early. Gotta deliver on this opportunity, Moreland!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2018 22:04:39 GMT -5
Like I said - crazy game, crazy plays - tie game - wow.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2018 22:04:39 GMT -5
Mookie needs to be halfway on that play.
What a weird....weird inning / game. WOW
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2018 22:07:28 GMT -5
Seattle is becoming the Seattle we know and love again before our very eyes.....
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 15, 2018 22:07:42 GMT -5
Lol the Sox best inning of the year, BY FAR!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2018 22:08:08 GMT -5
You gotta be kidding me - 6 run inning - XAnder crushes it - holy crap!
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 15, 2018 22:08:10 GMT -5
The improvement in Xander this year is remarkable.
So happy.
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Post by atzar on Jun 15, 2018 22:08:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Seattle!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2018 22:08:54 GMT -5
X makes him pay. He may be borrowing from JD. Jerry is great with these grasshoppers !! WoooHooooo!!
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