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6/26/-6/28 Red Sox vs. Angels Series Thread
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 28, 2018 21:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Jun 28, 2018 21:41:54 GMT -5
JBJ reverting to JBJ and Joe Kelly reverting to Joe Kelly. Such is baseball.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 28, 2018 21:45:17 GMT -5
Out in San Diego on vacation... eating a nice seafood restaurant which was playing Josie and then JBJ hits a 2 run HR. I thought for sure lightening was going to strike.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 28, 2018 21:46:23 GMT -5
This is beautiful
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2018 21:48:32 GMT -5
The Sox snuck away with a nice win. Johnson upped his trade value, I would think. Velazquez gets another well time win in relief.
JBJ was great defensively and he's having his hot month. I so hope he finds consistently good offense the rest of the season. When he hits it makes the lineup so much deeper - as does when Devers mashes.
I love Alex Cora, but I just don't understand why he doesn't pull Kelly sooner when it's obvious he doesn't have it.
Kelly gave up 2 missiles, one that Betts made a nice catch on, and the other was the play of the game - Benintendi saved the game with his catch.
Unfortunately they felt compelled to use Kimbrel (although it was fun to see him blow away Trout to end the game).
If the Sox lead NY in the 9th that means Kimbrel going for a 3rd day in a row and if he does pitch tomorrow what's the odds he comes in to protect a late lead for Chris Sale on Saturday?
I was hoping they could stay away from him today.
At least they should stay away from Kelly tomorrow.
Now that the Sox got Pearce, it's obvious what they need most - that high leverage relief pitcher they can slot in ahead of Kelly and Barnes and behind Kimbrel.
I'm sure Dombrowski will get that done.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 21:58:53 GMT -5
And in a remarkable stat, Velazquez, 6-0, is only one win behind Chris Sale!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2018 22:29:32 GMT -5
Vazquez has a low baseball IQ. He makes a lot of brainless mistakes on the field. He sure has this year, but I don't remember him being like this before. Maybe he's going through a brain slump? Why, because he had himself a double and slid past the base? Does Martinez also have a low "baseball iq"?
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 28, 2018 22:44:08 GMT -5
He sure has this year, but I don't remember him being like this before. Maybe he's going through a brain slump? Why, because he had himself a double and slid past the base? Does Martinez also have a low "baseball iq"? yea, that claim is confusing. He had a double, just a bad slide which is gonna happen.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 28, 2018 22:50:20 GMT -5
He sure has this year, but I don't remember him being like this before. Maybe he's going through a brain slump? Why, because he had himself a double and slid past the base? Does Martinez also have a low "baseball iq"? Did you see the slide? It was all weird, like he had a mental glitch or something. And there are the couple of times he tried to throw behind the runner at second, which let the guy get to third. And the time he forgot to tell Nunez to slide which caused an out at home. And some others I'm forgetting. I, for the record, am pro-Vazquez. And maybe this is the time to point out that since I said this: Vazquez has hit .271/.306/.492, good for a 113 wRC+. Hell, he's got a 137 wRC+ in June. That is... more than adequate!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2018 23:15:55 GMT -5
You're making stuff up. The slide was no different than Martinez' when he blew past the bag. If anything he came closer to being called safe.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 28, 2018 23:32:37 GMT -5
Did you see the slide? It was all weird, like he had a mental glitch or something. And there are the couple of times he tried to throw behind the runner at second, which let the guy get to third. And the time he forgot to tell Nunez to slide which caused an out at home. And some others I'm forgetting. This is one sports argument I could never understand. "Player X has low [insert sport here]'s IQ". Vazquez has been the main-ish catcher for the past 2 seasons at age 25 and 26. Catcher is a notoriously mentally demanding position, especially considering he did it for a team that won its division twice. You have all of that to suggest his brain is just perfect for the sport and yet people often throw that out of the window in favor of "did you see the slide? It was weird, he's a moron". As it often is the case with "low IQ" claims, he isn't stupid. He just isn't very talented.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 23:44:51 GMT -5
Did you see the slide? It was all weird, like he had a mental glitch or something. And there are the couple of times he tried to throw behind the runner at second, which let the guy get to third. And the time he forgot to tell Nunez to slide which caused an out at home. And some others I'm forgetting. This is one sports argument I could never understand. "Player X has low [insert sport here]'s IQ". Vazquez has been the main-ish catcher for the past 2 seasons at age 25 and 26. Catcher is a notoriously mentally demanding position, especially considering he did it for a team that won its division twice. You have all of that to suggest his brain is just perfect for the sport and yet people often throw that out of the window in favor of "did you see the slide? It was weird, he's a moron". As it often is the case with "low IQ" claims, he isn't stupid. He just isn't very talented. I don't know, Vazquez has made a lot of bad decisions on the field. He has run into two outs in the past week. He made a catcher's interference play that I didn't even know existed in the rulebook. He has also makes reckless throws to pick guys off and he also forgot how fo tell Nunez how to slide when he *was standing right in front of him.* These kind of plays isn't about talent. It's about decision making. Maybe it's not about smarts or IQ. Maybe it's a concentration issue or something, but it's happened *far too often* and it has very little to do with talent. The guy needs to do a better job of keeping his head in the game.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 29, 2018 0:24:17 GMT -5
Did you see the slide? It was all weird, like he had a mental glitch or something. And there are the couple of times he tried to throw behind the runner at second, which let the guy get to third. And the time he forgot to tell Nunez to slide which caused an out at home. And some others I'm forgetting. This is one sports argument I could never understand. "Player X has low [insert sport here]'s IQ". Vazquez has been the main-ish catcher for the past 2 seasons at age 25 and 26. Catcher is a notoriously mentally demanding position, especially considering he did it for a team that won its division twice. You have all of that to suggest his brain is just perfect for the sport and yet people often throw that out of the window in favor of "did you see the slide? It was weird, he's a moron". As it often is the case with "low IQ" claims, he isn't stupid. He just isn't very talented. All right, I don't really know how this discussion got directed at me. Pedrofan made the "low baseball IQ" point. I only chimed in to say it seemed to me that he was slumping a little in the mental aspects of the game this year. That is to say, I don't think he has a low baseball IQ, but for whatever reason has lost his focus at a number of moments this season. And like a major point of the comment you're quoting from was me saying that I like Vazquez, and was defending him even at the worst of his slump.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 29, 2018 7:13:03 GMT -5
I will take a different view here...I am quite pleased with our Vazquez/Leon catching duo. Offense is heating up, they have to be playing a pretty significant role in the success of our pitching staff, and both experience some bumpy patches from growing into the game, maturing, adjusting. With Leon at 29 and Vazquez at 27, we are in good shape for some years and I suspect things will only get better with time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 29, 2018 7:48:36 GMT -5
It's time to move JBJ up in the order and Holt/Nunez down. With Yankee Stadium looming,the time is now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 29, 2018 7:53:50 GMT -5
This is one sports argument I could never understand. "Player X has low [insert sport here]'s IQ". Vazquez has been the main-ish catcher for the past 2 seasons at age 25 and 26. Catcher is a notoriously mentally demanding position, especially considering he did it for a team that won its division twice. You have all of that to suggest his brain is just perfect for the sport and yet people often throw that out of the window in favor of "did you see the slide? It was weird, he's a moron". As it often is the case with "low IQ" claims, he isn't stupid. He just isn't very talented. I don't know, Vazquez has made a lot of bad decisions on the field. He has run into two outs in the past week. He made a catcher's interference play that I didn't even know existed in the rulebook. He has also makes reckless throws to pick guys off and he also forgot how fo tell Nunez how to slide when he *was standing right in front of him.* These kind of plays isn't about talent. It's about decision making. Maybe it's not about smarts or IQ. Maybe it's a concentration issue or something, but it's happened *far too often* and it has very little to do with talent. The guy needs to do a better job of keeping his head in the game. A slide past a base is a physical event, not a decision. He made a bad slide, why is that impossible to believe for a catcher to do it? You see it all over baseball, even great players do it at times.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 29, 2018 9:24:12 GMT -5
Preposterous. No. Remember the west coast trip back in 2004? Our boys cracked skulls. (In 2004) Boston lost to the A's May 27th 15-2 Boston lost to the Mariners May 29th 5-4 Boston lost to the Angels on both June 1st and June 2nd 7-6 and 10-7. We swept Oakland and Anaheim that season (just off of memory... I will look it up later).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 29, 2018 9:43:04 GMT -5
I don't know, Vazquez has made a lot of bad decisions on the field. He has run into two outs in the past week. He made a catcher's interference play that I didn't even know existed in the rulebook. He has also makes reckless throws to pick guys off and he also forgot how fo tell Nunez how to slide when he *was standing right in front of him.* These kind of plays isn't about talent. It's about decision making. Maybe it's not about smarts or IQ. Maybe it's a concentration issue or something, but it's happened *far too often* and it has very little to do with talent. The guy needs to do a better job of keeping his head in the game. Vazquez is a very high motor player and he's also sort of clumsy, he will make mistakes but those happen for the same reason that allows him to be a MLBer. Not because he lacks focus or because his head isn't in the game, he probably tries a bit too hard. All right, I don't really know how this discussion got directed at me. Pedrofan made the "low baseball IQ" point. I only chimed in to say it seemed to me that he was slumping a little in the mental aspects of the game this year. That is to say, I don't think he has a low baseball IQ, but for whatever reason has lost his focus at a number of moments this season. And like a major point of the comment you're quoting from was me saying that I like Vazquez, and was defending him even at the worst of his slump. Lol I'm sorry man, I didn't mean to single you out or anything. I quoted your post because it felt like a good springboard to get into this discussion as I'm puzzled by the overall sentiment that any player that f*cks up from time to time is a low IQ dude. I wasn't answering to what you said specifically, but to pedrofan since he brought it up and to this argument I've seen echoed A LOT.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 29, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -5
When Pedroia makes similar mistakes because of his aggressiveness, nobody comes at his baseball IQ.
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Post by nomar on Jun 29, 2018 10:44:04 GMT -5
When Pedroia makes similar mistakes because of his aggressiveness, nobody comes at his baseball IQ. Scrappy gym rats deserve extra slack.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 29, 2018 10:46:25 GMT -5
That's qwhite true.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 29, 2018 11:55:15 GMT -5
Side note, IQ is a pretty bad measure of "intelligence", a concept that is very difficult to define, much less quantify in any meaningful way.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 29, 2018 12:06:07 GMT -5
When Pedroia makes similar mistakes because of his aggressiveness, nobody comes at his baseball IQ. That's because he's good at baseball! It's a sad thing in life that unless you're really good at what you're doing all the time, eventually people are going to assume you're a moron.
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Post by p23w on Jun 29, 2018 15:54:21 GMT -5
Side note, IQ is a pretty bad measure of "intelligence", a concept that is very difficult to define, much less quantify in any meaningful way. A catchers baseball intelligence is measured in preparation and game calling. Base running is about judgement in the moment and athleticism.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 29, 2018 16:28:32 GMT -5
Side note, IQ is a pretty bad measure of "intelligence", a concept that is very difficult to define, much less quantify in any meaningful way. A catchers baseball intelligence is measured in preparation and game calling. Base running is about judgement in the moment and athleticism. Sliding past a base has nothing to do with intelligence. It's the same thing as making an error.
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