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6/26/-6/28 Red Sox vs. Angels Series Thread
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 28, 2018 7:43:48 GMT -5
JDM is actually hitting better than Papi ever did in his best season which is just plain hard to believe. But he looks absolutely for real and that it's sustainable. He's not getting lucky at all. I'm so amazed with how much work he puts in with video. He actually is able to stop cold streaks before they even start because he knows every single thing about his swing. They said on the MLB Network broadcast last night that he has different drills to fix 11 (I think?) different swing flaws. He also is teaching everyone else on the team to do this. The guy is such an incredible talent and might be the Brian Bannister of hitting already. He certainly could today be one of the best hitting coaches ever. He seriously should write a book about hitting. I really wish there were no opt-outs in his contract because I want him in Boston for a long time. LOL, I literally said I hope he produces like this so he will opt out and the Sox will have to pony up more to keep him. I know anything can happen and he has had a problem staying healthy in the past but I wouldn't be surprised if his 2nd half numbers are even better than the 1st half. April was pedestrian for him and the weather is just going to get warmer so can he hit 30/35 in the 2nd half. How much extra value does this guy bring given how he is teaching anyone willing to learn? What a great signing, thus far.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 28, 2018 8:02:24 GMT -5
I like Cora's practice of giving periodic rest to players...something many teams are doing more. Martinez is one guy that will need some especially given his injury history and back issues.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2018 8:13:47 GMT -5
I like Cora's practice of giving periodic rest to players...something many teams are doing more. Martinez is one guy that will need some especially given his injury history and back issues. Playing DH is almost like resting. Don't even need to run hard when you're always hitting homers.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 28, 2018 8:39:15 GMT -5
Ha ha....true.
But this guy works very hard when not playing and not just physically...watching video, studying, helping others.. in addition to his cage work. It all takes a toll. The two guys we can't afford to not be at their best at crunch are Sale & JD.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 28, 2018 8:49:48 GMT -5
And yes, the Sox #1 need is a high leverage reliever. Kelly has been mostly great but he's had some rough outings lately. What sucks is he had that easy DP ball that he threw away! Our trade record for relievers mid-season is not good...
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 28, 2018 8:58:17 GMT -5
Odds are in our favor...
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2018 8:59:57 GMT -5
What is interesting is that in the AL, 4 playoff spots already seem like they're wrapped up and all that is left is 3 teams above .500 fighting for the 2nd wild card. And Seattle has a 7 game lead for that 2nd spot. I expect that a lot of teams in the AL will decide to sell. The NL is full of teams hovering around .500.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2018 9:21:43 GMT -5
And yes, the Sox #1 need is a high leverage reliever. Kelly has been mostly great but he's had some rough outings lately. What sucks is he had that easy DP ball that he threw away! Our trade record for relievers mid-season is not good... That's not so. The Sox traded practically nothing for Brad Ziegler a couple of seasons ago. And last year the Sox dealt three guys - I know Bautista throws 100 MPH but his command can be questionable (at least at the minor league level), but I honestly don't think this trade will really bite them - for Addison Reed. Those are two quality relievers that didn't bankrupt the farm system and they both contributed. The Sox didn't fare well in the Carson Smith and Tyler Thornburg deals, but only because Smith has been injured - not because they actually gave up anything of value. But yeah, the Thornburg deal wound up being bad, but I don't think getting a reliever rental should cost the Sox the farm. My guess is we'll probably see some young reliever we like go - somebody from the Buttrey, Lakins, and Poyner group (and my gut still tells me that Shawaryn will wind up being dealt away), but at this point, the Sox are looking for a guy they can trust to go up against the big bats from Houston and New York and in 2018 the Red Sox are built to win. I don't think the Sox want to let an opportunity to get an impact reliever get away (within reason - they're not trading the farm for Brad Hand nor should they). Buttrey has been great but I don't know that they're confident that he's going to come up and be the guy in Sep/Oct 2018 that you can stick in the 8th inning of a key spot of the game. A reliever who can do a bit of what Andrew Miller did for Cleveland is a valuable thing. I don't think anybody that good will be available but the Sox will be trying to get a guy they can use in that way, a high leverage reliever. As long as they're not giving up the next Jeff Bagwell I can live with it. They will need that kind of help when they face the best teams in October.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2018 9:42:44 GMT -5
Our trade record for relievers mid-season is not good... That's not so. The Sox traded practically nothing for Brad Ziegler a couple of seasons ago. And last year the Sox dealt three guys - I know Bautista throws 100 MPH but his command can be questionable (at least at the minor league level), but I honestly don't think this trade will really bite them - for Addison Reed. Those are two quality relievers that didn't bankrupt the farm system and they both contributed. The Sox didn't fare well in the Carson Smith and Tyler Thornburg deals, but only because Smith has been injured - not because they actually gave up anything of value. But yeah, the Thornburg deal wound up being bad, but I don't think getting a reliever rental should cost the Sox the farm. My guess is we'll probably see some young reliever we like go - somebody from the Buttrey, Lakins, and Poyner group (and my gut still tells me that Shawaryn will wind up being dealt away), but at this point, the Sox are looking for a guy they can trust to go up against the big bats from Houston and New York and in 2018 the Red Sox are built to win. I don't think the Sox want to let an opportunity to get an impact reliever get away (within reason - they're not trading the farm for Brad Hand nor should they). Buttrey has been great but I don't know that they're confident that he's going to come up and be the guy in Sep/Oct 2018 that you can stick in the 8th inning of a key spot of the game. A reliever who can do a bit of what Andrew Miller did for Cleveland is a valuable thing. I don't think anybody that good will be available but the Sox will be trying to get a guy they can use in that way, a high leverage reliever. As long as they're not giving up the next Jeff Bagwell I can live with it. They will need that kind of help when they face the best teams in October. Bautista turning back around made the Addison Reed trade a net loss, in my opinion. Callahan is hurt right now, but there's a real chance they gave up three guys - 18 years of service time, nine option years - for three months of a decent reliever who did a good-not-great job but ultimately made no difference. And the thinner the system gets, the more that trades like this hurt. Like, for example, a package of Lakins, Espinal, and a lottery ticket for a guy ready to help now would make a lot of sense in a vacuum, but the Red Sox aren't in a great position to even be trading those Grade 4-4.5 prospects for short term help.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2018 10:23:40 GMT -5
And yes, the Sox #1 need is a high leverage reliever. Kelly has been mostly great but he's had some rough outings lately. What sucks is he had that easy DP ball that he threw away! Our trade record for relievers mid-season is not good... I'll go with that. Bad to horrid deals.. Gag-me. Larry Anderson (the worst). Abad. Can't forget Sox have had some robbery deals for them to. Billy Wagner, Reggie Cleveland, who may have been more of a swing man.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 28, 2018 10:28:02 GMT -5
This. At this point, the Red Sox need to move forward assuming they're getting nothing from Pedroia, even when he does "come back." Cutting depth because Pedroia has been activated would make no sense. I'm all for replacing Nunez, but they just need to do it with someone other than Pedroia. Even if they kept Lin up, the cupboard is bare behind him in Pawtucket, which scares me. What RHH utility infielders are out there to trade for? That's probably something we actually have assets for... It's probably appropriate that my 5,000th post here should be practical rather than deep or momentous. The bigger bench need if (oops, I mean when) you dump Nunez is probably a RH 1B / corner OF. Earlier I suggested the Reds' Adam Duvall, who's having a terrible year and should cost very little. They reportedly asked the A's about Mark Canha. Next, Brock Holt has a career 100 wRC+ vs. LHP and 88 vs. RHP. He needs to be platooned because he seems to wear down if he plays every day, but the platoon doesn't have to be by handedness. Finally, if you get a 1B / OF type, there's a major downside if you also obtain a guy who will need a 25-man spot when (oops, I mean if) Pedroia comes back before 9/1. In that scenario, you are forced to trade Blake Swihart, and all you've done is upgrade the Pedroia roster spot, while it was vacant, from Tzu-Wei Lin to whomever you acquired. The key here is that Holt doesn't have a big platoon split and in fact has a reverse one. It's hard to see a trade for a 2B who would be so much better than Lin that he would be worth the acquisition cost, and that's without factoring in the likelihood that it forces you to trade Swihart at some point. Now, if there's an above-average 2B who could also play 1B (and ideally LF/RF) and who could be the 10th man once Pedroia returns and who could be had for surprisingly little because there's little or no market demand, that's obviously a great move. That seems so unlikely that I'm not even going to look into it.
Which, by the way, makes the continued failure to launch of Sam Travis all the more disappointing. He is the very, very obvious fit here if he's not putting up a sub-.600 OPS. He's not even hitting LHP this year.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2018 10:31:41 GMT -5
It's probably appropriate that my 5,000th post here should be practical rather than deep or momentous. The bigger bench need if (oops, I mean when) you dump Nunez is probably a RH 1B / corner OF. Earlier I suggested the Reds' Adam Duvall, who's having a terrible year and should cost very little. They reportedly asked the A's about Mark Canha. Next, Brock Holt has a career 100 wRC+ vs. LHP and 88 vs. RHP. He needs to be platooned because he seems to wear down if he plays every day, but the platoon doesn't have to be by handedness. Finally, if you get a 1B / OF type, there's a major downside if you also obtain a guy who will need a 25-man spot when (oops, I mean if) Pedroia comes back before 9/1. In that scenario, you are forced to trade Blake Swihart, and all you've done is upgrade the Pedroia roster spot, while it was vacant, from Tzu-Wei Lin to whomever you acquired. The key here is that Holt doesn't have a big platoon split and in fact has a reverse one. It's hard to see a trade for a 2B who would be so much better than Lin that he would be worth the acquisition cost, and that's without factoring in the likelihood that it forces you to trade Swihart at some point. Now, if there's an above-average 2B who could also play 1B (and ideally LF/RF) and who could be the 10th man once Pedroia returns and who could be had for surprisingly little because there's little or no market demand, that's obviously a great move. That seems so unlikely that I'm not even going to look into it.
Which, by the way, makes the continued failure to launch of Sam Travis all the more disappointing. He is the very, very obvious fit here if he's not putting up a sub-.600 OPS. He's not even hitting LHP this year. Yep, that's the danger in remaking an effective player's swing. It takes, and you're Justin Smoak, going from borderline starter to first-division guy. It backfires, and a guy is messed up for years (Brady Anderson), or permanently (Rich Gedman). EDIT: And I'm not saying it was necessarily a bad idea with Travis - his upside wasn't particularly high before. But I think it's good to step back to all those articles about launch angle. If making contact consistently with an ideal launch angle was easy, everyone would've been doing it.
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Post by daltonjones on Jun 28, 2018 10:54:08 GMT -5
Trades don't work out any worse than Bagwell, but Andersen was the prize of the middle relief market that year. Bagwell would have been maybe 10-ish on the 1990 Prospect List with a future HoF and a future All-Star ahead of him on the depth chart...
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2018 11:19:04 GMT -5
Trades don't work out any worse than Bagwell, but Andersen was the prize of the middle relief market that year. Bagwell would have been maybe 10-ish on the 1990 Prospect List with a future HoF and a future All-Star ahead of him on the depth chart... Yeah, it's tough - a single second-tier prospect for a setup man who can help right now seems sensible. It's not a perfect comparison, but it'd be like if the Red Sox traded Josh Ockimey straight up for a good reliever. A lot of people would grumble about that but nobody would call it insane. Also, the Red Sox thought Andersen was signed for 1991, but the commissioner's office granted him free agency because of the carryover from the collusion mess. He'd have been a key piece in 1991, a year the team really struggled with pitching depth.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:02:59 GMT -5
Trades don't work out any worse than Bagwell, but Andersen was the prize of the middle relief market that year. Bagwell would have been maybe 10-ish on the 1990 Prospect List with a future HoF and a future All-Star ahead of him on the depth chart... Yeah, it's tough - a single second-tier prospect for a setup man who can help right now seems sensible. It's not a perfect comparison, but it'd be like if the Red Sox traded Josh Ockimey straight up for a good reliever. A lot of people would grumble about that but nobody would call it insane. Also, the Red Sox thought Andersen was signed for 1991, but the commissioner's office granted him free agency because of the carryover from the collusion mess. He'd have been a key piece in 1991, a year the team really struggled with pitching depth. Meh, I’d add the caveat that Cooper was not a better prospect at the time. Yeah, he was in AAA, but Bagwell was destroying AA in Beehive. I was furious at the time that it was Bagwell and not Cooper who got moved. I always thought Cooper was overrated and I was pretty certain Bagwell was underrated after hitting well in Winter Haven and then being terrific in the ultimate pitcher’s league at the time. Calling Scott Cooper an All-Star isn’t inaccurate, but he was absolutely, unequivocally NOT ever an All-Star caliber player. His inclusion was simply an (embarrassing, given how mediocre he was) application of the “at least one per team” rule.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2018 12:04:07 GMT -5
Those "throw in" type players all to often for boston over the years seem to turn into Curt Schilling, or really useful types pre John henry era. Whether or not it was superior scouting on the part of opponents and shrewd deals by the teams they were trading with, or just flat out being inept.. Which is what IMO it was during the haywood Sullivan years, as well as late Lou Gorman ones. It seemed to happen far to often.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 28, 2018 12:17:24 GMT -5
Those "throw in" type players all to often for boston over the years seem to turn into Curt Schilling, or really useful types pre John henry era. Whether or not it was superior scouting on the part of opponents and shrewd deals by the teams they were trading with, or just flat out being inept.. Which is what IMO it was during the haywood Sullivan years, as well as late Lou Gorman ones. It seemed to happen far to often. I think it's very likely survival bias that makes you think those guys "seemed to turn into" MLBers. If they trade 11 guys and two turn into Bagwell and Schilling, you'll obviously only remember Bagwell and Schilling.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2018 13:14:27 GMT -5
Yeah, it's tough - a single second-tier prospect for a setup man who can help right now seems sensible. It's not a perfect comparison, but it'd be like if the Red Sox traded Josh Ockimey straight up for a good reliever. A lot of people would grumble about that but nobody would call it insane. Also, the Red Sox thought Andersen was signed for 1991, but the commissioner's office granted him free agency because of the carryover from the collusion mess. He'd have been a key piece in 1991, a year the team really struggled with pitching depth. Meh, I’d add the caveat that Cooper was not a better prospect at the time. Yeah, he was in AAA, but Bagwell was destroying AA in Beehive. I was furious at the time that it was Bagwell and not Cooper who got moved. I always thought Cooper was overrated and I was pretty certain Bagwell was underrated after hitting well in Winter Haven and then being terrific in the ultimate pitcher’s league at the time. Calling Scott Cooper an All-Star isn’t inaccurate, but he was absolutely, unequivocally NOT ever an All-Star caliber player. His inclusion was simply an (embarrassing, given how mediocre he was) application of the “at least one per team” rule. You weren't the only one. I remember hearing stories about the farm director (was it Ed Kenney - I'm trying to remember the story George Grande told me) being so pissed off about the trade that he wanted to quit. He knew that Bagwell could rake. The numbers in Beehive showed as much. The Sox would occasionally skip players past AA because hitting at Beehive was deflating. The air was so heavy the ball wouldn't travel and hitters really struggled. And worse the Astros really wanted a pitcher named Dave Owens or would have taken Scott Taylor, but the Lou Gorman didn't want to part with either. He figured Bagwell was a bad fielder, and surplus, buried behind Boggs, Cooper, and Naehring on the depth chart. He really didn't know what he had in Bagwell. Hitting .334 in New Britain with the amount of doubles he hit was flat out absurd. Nobody hit like that there. Meanwhile when the deal went down one of the Astros scouts was talking to Dan Gooley (Bagwell's baseball coach at University of Hartford) who mentioned Bagwell's soccer skills and amazing footwork, and the idea to move him to 1b was born (as the Astros had a young Ken Caminiti themselves at 3b.) Andersen actually did pitch well down the stretch in 1990. They had lost Jeff Reardon to back surgery and didn't think he'd be back. They only had Jeff Gray who was unheralded but actually pitched reasonably well and was even better in 1991 but suffered a stroke and never pitched again (wonder how many people remember Jeff Gray!), they had Dennis Lamp who was having a bad year after having had a great year, and Rob Murphy went from excellent in 1989 to disaster in 1990, and they had just picked up Joe Hesketh off the scrap heap, so the bullpen was a total mess, and the Sox were in a battle for 1st with Toronto that would eventually go down to the last day of the season. They had dealt Lee Smith in May for Tom Brunansky so at one point the Sox had two excellent closers in Reardon and Smith on the roster for about a month. That's before it became fashionable to do so. Andersen's most important outing wound up being in Game 1 of the ALCS against Oakland as Clemens left after 6 with a 1-0 lead. If memory serves by time the inning started by Larry Andersen was done, the A's had scored 9 runs and they were on their way to a 1 sided sweep of the Sox. And then surprisingly Andersen was declared a free agent, then Bagwell jumped from AA to the majors and blossomed (sort of like Hanley would do 15 years later), and the worst deal in Red Sox history was history.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2018 13:20:43 GMT -5
Those "throw in" type players all to often for boston over the years seem to turn into Curt Schilling, or really useful types pre John henry era. Whether or not it was superior scouting on the part of opponents and shrewd deals by the teams they were trading with, or just flat out being inept.. Which is what IMO it was during the haywood Sullivan years, as well as late Lou Gorman ones. It seemed to happen far to often. No other throw in prospect the Red Sox have included as a throw-in in the last 30 years has turned into Curt Schilling. Schilling actually scouted well, but was not getting results, and he also had... let's call them the same personality traits that have made him a polarizing person in his post-playing days. He was the second piece that brought over a starting pitcher who immediately slotted behind Clemens, compiling 11.4 bWAR in 528 innings over 2 1/2 seasons, without whom they would not have won the division in 1988 or 1990. You make that deal every time, and you tip your hat to Schilling or any other player who turns their career around after getting run out of three organizations. Remember, the Orioles and Astros gave up on him too before he turned into anything.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2018 13:30:27 GMT -5
Those "throw in" type players all to often for boston over the years seem to turn into Curt Schilling, or really useful types pre John henry era. Whether or not it was superior scouting on the part of opponents and shrewd deals by the teams they were trading with, or just flat out being inept.. Which is what IMO it was during the haywood Sullivan years, as well as late Lou Gorman ones. It seemed to happen far to often. No other throw in prospect the Red Sox have included as a throw-in in the last 30 years has turned into Curt Schilling. Schilling actually scouted well, but was not getting results, and he also had... let's call them the same personality traits that have made him a polarizing person in his post-playing days. He was the second piece that brought over a starting pitcher who immediately slotted behind Clemens, compiling 11.4 bWAR in 528 innings over 2 1/2 seasons, without whom they would not have won the division in 1988 or 1990. You make that deal every time, and you tip your hat to Schilling or any other player who turns their career around after getting run out of three organizations. Remember, the Orioles and Astros gave up on him too before he turned into anything. I remember the deal James, no need to remind me. same with main chip Brady Anderson who had over the course of the previous off season turned from a skinny kid into a muscular near hulk. How did that happen? Was it super intensive workouts, or extra help? Did that have something to do with why Anderson was moved? That was during a period where every spring spent daily at the minor league camp and remember it very well, same with Brady's time at Winter haven an entire season not long before when he had almost no power and he was about to launch 50 shortly in Baltimore with his new found body. As for throw ins? My old friend Pete ladd, who probably nobody here remembers comes to mind. The Bob Watson deal he was the throw in. While he never helped Houston. The brewers wouldn't have gone to, nor won the '82 WS without my dear friend Sasquatch.
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Post by danr on Jun 28, 2018 13:49:06 GMT -5
Meh, I’d add the caveat that Cooper was not a better prospect at the time. Yeah, he was in AAA, but Bagwell was destroying AA in Beehive. I was furious at the time that it was Bagwell and not Cooper who got moved. I always thought Cooper was overrated and I was pretty certain Bagwell was underrated after hitting well in Winter Haven and then being terrific in the ultimate pitcher’s league at the time. Calling Scott Cooper an All-Star isn’t inaccurate, but he was absolutely, unequivocally NOT ever an All-Star caliber player. His inclusion was simply an (embarrassing, given how mediocre he was) application of the “at least one per team” rule. I remember reading a great deal about Bagwell, I think in BA, at the time and I couldn't believe it when the Sox traded him. He was a sensational hitter who impressed almost everyone who saw him hit. I wish we had someone even close to him in the system today. The excuse I recall for him being traded was that the GM was told he couldn't play 3B. No one, except Houston, thought of moving him to 1B. It was idiotic beyond belief.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2018 13:51:00 GMT -5
No other throw in prospect the Red Sox have included as a throw-in in the last 30 years has turned into Curt Schilling. Schilling actually scouted well, but was not getting results, and he also had... let's call them the same personality traits that have made him a polarizing person in his post-playing days. He was the second piece that brought over a starting pitcher who immediately slotted behind Clemens, compiling 11.4 bWAR in 528 innings over 2 1/2 seasons, without whom they would not have won the division in 1988 or 1990. You make that deal every time, and you tip your hat to Schilling or any other player who turns their career around after getting run out of three organizations. Remember, the Orioles and Astros gave up on him too before he turned into anything. I remember the deal James, no need to remind me. same with main chip Brady Anderson who had over the course of the previous off season turned from a skinny kid into a muscular near hulk. How did that happen? Was it super intensive workouts, or extra help? Did that have something to do with why Anderson was moved? That was during a period where every spring spent daily at the minor league camp and remember it very well, same with Brady's time at Winter haven an entire season not long before when he had almost no power and he was about to launch 50 shortly in Baltimore with his new found body. As for throw ins? My old friend Pete ladd, who probably nobody here remembers comes to mind. The Bob Watson deal he was the throw in. While he never helped Houston. The brewers wouldn't have gone to, nor won the '82 WS without my dear friend Sasquatch. I remember Pete Ladd. He took the closing job for Harvey's Wall Bangers - the 82 Brewers when Rollie Fingers got injured. Actually they didn't win the World Series. The Cardinals won the Series in 7 games. The Brewers lost the final two games. I think Bobby Sprowl was in that deal with Pete Ladd, correct? Was Ladd a throw-in or somebody they really wanted? Can't imagine they had their hearts stuck on Bobby Sprowl who is infamous for starting the last game of the Boston Massacre when Zimmer bypassed his buddy Bill Lee and refused to move Luis Tiant up a day. The Astros pen was pretty stacked back then so I don't think Ladd amounted to much in Houston. And I don't remember him doing much after 1982. As for the Sox, Bob Watson had a fantastic half season for the Sox in 1979. Took a very weak 1b position that had been playing a washed up George Scott and I think he hit something like .337. But then he left to go to the Yankees in 1980 and the Sox replaced him at 1b with Tony Perez's last good season. So for a rental deal, it was a pretty good deal for the Sox. The problem is that Fisk got hurt and they never adequately replaced Tiant and Lee and the team that got off to a 56-31 start (not that different than this year's team) faded to 91-69 thereafter.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 14:03:51 GMT -5
Seems like there is no current update on Jake Jewell, the pitcher who sustained the nasty looking ankle injury trying to cover home in last night's game - anyone else been able to find a recent update?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 28, 2018 14:04:53 GMT -5
Those "throw in" type players all to often for boston over the years seem to turn into Curt Schilling, or really useful types pre John henry era. Whether or not it was superior scouting on the part of opponents and shrewd deals by the teams they were trading with, or just flat out being inept.. Which is what IMO it was during the haywood Sullivan years, as well as late Lou Gorman ones. It seemed to happen far to often. No other throw in prospect the Red Sox have included as a throw-in in the last 30 years has turned into Curt Schilling. Schilling actually scouted well, but was not getting results, and he also had... let's call them the same personality traits that have made him a polarizing person in his post-playing days. He was the second piece that brought over a starting pitcher who immediately slotted behind Clemens, compiling 11.4 bWAR in 528 innings over 2 1/2 seasons, without whom they would not have won the division in 1988 or 1990. You make that deal every time, and you tip your hat to Schilling or any other player who turns their career around after getting run out of three organizations. Remember, the Orioles and Astros gave up on him too before he turned into anything. Yeah, Boddicker was excellent and he had two more years.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 28, 2018 14:18:09 GMT -5
Ziegler is the only one I can really think of that worked out well. And that wasn’t a high profile trade. I’d be happy with a low risk move like that, I’m just not a fan of these high profile reliever trade deadline acquisitions, which, from what I’ve seen, rarely work out well for the acquiring team, and even more rarely work out well for the Red Sox.
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