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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2018 12:10:13 GMT -5
I'm tempted to rest one or more of Betts/Benintendi/Martinez/Bogey since this doesn't seem like a game that we're really trying to win anyway. And I'd rest another one tomorrow with the Sale/Big Sexy matchup and then hope we can get to the All Star break from there.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 10, 2018 12:14:47 GMT -5
I'm tempted to rest one or more of Betts/Benintendi/Martinez/Bogey since this doesn't seem like a game that we're really trying to win anyway. And I'd rest another one tomorrow with the Sale/Big Sexy matchup and then hope we can get to the All Star break from there. I understand that, but (virtually) nobody is going to play all 162 games in a season, so if any of the top half of the lineup could use a day off, today and tomorrow look like pretty good days to rotate one of them out and keep them fresh.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2018 12:19:23 GMT -5
It's Texas, they can easily win. And since the AS break is really soon, there's plenty of rest coming.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2018 12:54:46 GMT -5
I'll jump in here to agree with the folks who think the Red Sox are going to try to win the game today.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2018 13:11:54 GMT -5
Cora is doing a good job of getting his players rest. His regulars are getting their days off. I think he might have to rein in Sale a little bit. Sale is starting to catch up to last year's pace. I hope that Sale is the last guy to start after the all-star break. He'll probably toss an inning or two during the All-Star game but you figure he goes on Thursday 7/12. Maybe make his next start on Tuesday 7/24 against Baltimore, which is the 5th game after the All-Star break. Maybe that will keep him fresh. At the least that would line him up to face the Twins on 7/29 when I have tickets to the game!! And of course, THAT's the priority Forget any nonsense about Price going to the pen during the regular season. If anything perhaps Johnson, once Wright returns, can take an occasional turn in the rotation to keep the starters on 5 days rest. The downside is that it's a disadvantage to go with a 6 man rotation at times over pitching your best guys and in a close race like this perhaps they can't do it. I just think overall, though, it might help them stay fresher in Sept and Oct. There are going to be some offdays where they don't need Johnson to start and the starters get their 5 days rest, but I still think some 6th starter starts can be useful.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 10, 2018 13:13:28 GMT -5
If someone needs a day of rest tomorrow is the day with Sale going up against Big Sexy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2018 13:18:06 GMT -5
If someone needs a day of rest tomorrow is the day with Sale going up against Big Sexy. Nah, I don't want anymore games where Sale pitches a gem and the Sox don't score for him. How about the Red Sox put their A lineup in, clobber Texas, and then pull out the regulars AND Sale after 6 innings instead?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 10, 2018 13:19:12 GMT -5
RE: Attempts to win: The Rangers are starting Yovani Gallardo.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2018 13:21:00 GMT -5
Jeez, I just took a closer look at the schedule going forward.
The schedule makers must really like the Red Sox this year - maybe I should check for the other teams as well.
But the Sox have days off before AND after their series with NY. Same thing with their Sept series with Houston. And the Sox have a day off preceding the remainder of their Yankee series.
So they basically can set up their pitching staff/bullpen to max out the games before and after and still have them rested for these big games. That's pretty cool.
I guess they might too many 6th starter starts with all those days off. I heard that they had built more offdays into the schedule. I guess so. They seem strategically placed.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2018 13:21:43 GMT -5
RE: Attempts to win: The Rangers are starting Yovani Gallardo. Well he is undefeated.
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 10, 2018 13:26:18 GMT -5
I'm tempted to rest one or more of Betts/Benintendi/Martinez/Bogey since this doesn't seem like a game that we're really trying to win anyway. And I'd rest another one tomorrow with the Sale/Big Sexy matchup and then hope we can get to the All Star break from there. How exactly is that the case here? If it is only because Velazquez is starting the game tonight I'm even more confused, considering he has done a nice job all year whether starting or in relief. It's not like they are facing Taxas' version of Chris Sale tonight. Yovanni Gallardo hasn't had an ERA/FIP/xFIP/whatever stat you want to look at lower than 5 since 2015, and that hasn't changed much so far this year.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 10, 2018 13:35:16 GMT -5
I watched the Rangers broadcast and mid innings, after showing the Orioles score beating the Yankees then a snapshot of the AL East standings, the Rangers play by play guy said, "The Orioles could win out and still they wouldn't win the division." And it's true. Well, the O's are now 25 & 66. They have 71 games left. If they one them all they'd be 96 & 66. They're not actually eliminated yet. The Red Sox magic number to eliminate them is still 33. 96 wins won't win the AL East. The overall point was: how well the Sox (and MFY) have played/are playing; how utterly hapless/hopeless it is for the Orioles. Think about it: 71-0 would not be enough wins to get them out of the hole they've dug. (Yes, I know some of those 71 wins would affect the records of the Sox & MFY -- is it possible to appreciate this scenario as if it existed in two parallel universes?) But they'll always have The Wire.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 10, 2018 13:54:48 GMT -5
If someone needs a day of rest tomorrow is the day with Sale going up against Big Sexy. Nah, I don't want anymore games where Sale pitches a gem and the Sox don't score for him. How about the Red Sox put their A lineup in, clobber Texas, and then pull out the regulars AND Sale after 6 innings instead? I mean I want the Red Sox to win, but I kind of don't want them to clobber Big Sexy. I'm afraid any bad outing could lead to his forced retirement.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 10, 2018 14:00:36 GMT -5
I'm tempted to rest one or more of Betts/Benintendi/Martinez/Bogey since this doesn't seem like a game that we're really trying to win anyway. And I'd rest another one tomorrow with the Sale/Big Sexy matchup and then hope we can get to the All Star break from there. How exactly is that the case here? If it is only because Velazquez is starting the game tonight I'm even more confused, considering he has done a nice job all year whether starting or in relief. It's not like they are facing Taxas' version of Chris Sale tonight. Yovanni Gallardo hasn't had an ERA/FIP/xFIP/whatever stat you want to look at lower than 5 since 2015, and that hasn't changed much so far this year. My point (which seems to be getting misconstrued at my expense, so I won't spend much time elaborating) is that by already pairing a piggyback start between Velasquez AND a called up long reliever this seems like a game that we could lose and not really be upset by it. As opposed to if we lost Sale vs. Big Sexy we'd probably be upset by it. I think a lot of people are conflating not trying that hard to win with intentionally losing. I think a lot of people are responding to things that I'm not actually saying.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2018 14:34:36 GMT -5
Nah, I don't want anymore games where Sale pitches a gem and the Sox don't score for him. How about the Red Sox put their A lineup in, clobber Texas, and then pull out the regulars AND Sale after 6 innings instead? I mean I want the Red Sox to win, but I kind of don't want them to clobber Big Sexy. I'm afraid any bad outing could lead to his forced retirement. How about if all 10 of his runs allowed are unearned? It's funny but I remember the day the Red Sox really clobbered Colon. The Indians were up 2 games to 1 in the 1999 ALDS and it was a mismatch on paper. The Sox had Kent Mercker pitching against Colon, but the Sox absolutely demolished him and his bullpen that night - I think they won by a score of 23-8. That's been kind of forgotten because everybody remembers an injured Pedro coming in relief to pitch 6 no-hit innings against the only team to score 1000 runs in the past 67 years. I was always disappointed that Colon didn't seem to want to be here in 2008. He could have helped the Sox during the post-season. I think he would have been a better starting option against Tampa than Wakefield was in Game 4 anyways.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 10, 2018 14:37:16 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy how we left him for dead 10 years ago and banished him back to the DR (he was on the restricted list IIRC) and he's still around and has pitched well in some instances since.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2018 14:47:32 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy how we left him for dead 10 years ago and banished him back to the DR (he was on the restricted list IIRC) and he's still around and has pitched well in some instances since. He has put up 17.9 fWAR since he left Boston at the age of 35.
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Post by dd on Jul 10, 2018 16:50:51 GMT -5
Well, the O's are now 25 & 66. They have 71 games left. If they one them all they'd be 96 & 66. They're not actually eliminated yet. The Red Sox magic number to eliminate them is still 33. 96 wins won't win the AL East. The overall point was: how well the Sox (and MFY) have played/are playing; how utterly hapless/hopeless it is for the Orioles. Yah, I was being needlessly nit-picky and literal. I knew what you meant. Sorry.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 10, 2018 18:19:08 GMT -5
Hector Velazquez is really the Swiss Army knife of the pitching staff. Nice first inning.
Apologies for the Jonny Gomesism.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2018 18:31:52 GMT -5
Well the good news is that 650 foot HR that Odor just hit is only worth 1 run.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 10, 2018 18:34:27 GMT -5
It’s hard to allow a ball to be hit that far. Like Velazquez couldn’t have give up a longer homer if he tried.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 10, 2018 18:35:00 GMT -5
Well the good news is that 650 foot HR that Odor just hit is only worth 1 run. I’m confident it was not even close to being over 625 feet.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2018 18:42:12 GMT -5
What a shot by Odor. When he gets a hold of one, it goes to the moon.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 10, 2018 18:48:47 GMT -5
Of all the ways for Odor to increase his slugging percentage against the Sox, I'm ok that he chose that one.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 10, 2018 19:02:20 GMT -5
Just delicious to see Swihart and Bradley have back to back doubles.
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