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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 16:11:33 GMT -5
Exactly, Chris. Everyone who is good that the Red Sox don't sign is a mistake, even when they sign the year before the other guy they signed. If Dave Dombrowski was going to sign David Price, why the hell didn't he just get hired a year earlier and sign Max Scherzer? Why don't you understand this obvious point? You're missing the point. It's a John Henry issue, not a Dave Dombrowski issue. Instead of spending the money on Scherzer or matching the Cubs offer on Lester, you spent nore money on a pitcher in Price who hasn't been as good as either pitcher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 16:15:41 GMT -5
It does make sense. The team couldn't manage to target and spend money on the two best options in the starting pitching market the past 4 years at a time where they really needed started pitching. So you predicted an AL East veteran pitcher that was crazy elite his whole career would have injuries? David Price was about the safest pitcher you could sign. A guy having a HOF career. Pitching is risky and injuries happen, but no one thought this would happen. It was always maybe the backend of this deal is bad or he opts out and we have to give him an even bigger deal. What are the winning lottery numbers this week? Max Scherzer was the safest bet and he has been the best pitcher money could buy the last 4 years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2018 16:18:55 GMT -5
Exactly, Chris. Everyone who is good that the Red Sox don't sign is a mistake, even when they sign the year before the other guy they signed. If Dave Dombrowski was going to sign David Price, why the hell didn't he just get hired a year earlier and sign Max Scherzer? Why don't you understand this obvious point? You're missing the point. It's a John Henry issue, not a Dave Dombrowski issue. Instead of spending the money on Scherzer or matching the Cubs offer on Lester, you spent nore money on a pitcher in Price who hasn't been as good as either pitcher. As much as I wanted Lester back Price had a better track record at that point. His track record was as good if not better than Scherzer and he had done his pitching with the AL East. Look at Price's numbers through 2015 and tell me that's not a pitcher you want for your team. Dombrowski didn't sign some second rate pitcher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 16:28:27 GMT -5
You're missing the point. It's a John Henry issue, not a Dave Dombrowski issue. Instead of spending the money on Scherzer or matching the Cubs offer on Lester, you spent nore money on a pitcher in Price who hasn't been as good as either pitcher. As much as I wanted Lester back Price had a better track record at that point. His track record was as good if not better than Scherzer and he had done his pitching with the AL East. Look at Price's numbers through 2015 and tell me that's not a pitcher you want for your team. Dombrowski didn't sign some second rate pitcher. Is David Price 60-70 more million dollars better than Lester though? Scherzer was getting better at the time he signed. Scherzer also had a way higher K rate than Price, even during their primes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2018 16:32:58 GMT -5
So you predicted an AL East veteran pitcher that was crazy elite his whole career would have injuries? David Price was about the safest pitcher you could sign. A guy having a HOF career. Pitching is risky and injuries happen, but no one thought this would happen. It was always maybe the backend of this deal is bad or he opts out and we have to give him an even bigger deal. What are the winning lottery numbers this week? Max Scherzer was the safest bet and he has been the best pitcher money could buy the last 4 years. Pedro you're using hindsight. Why was he the safest bet? Because he's been the best of the bunch? For example last 4 years before reaching free agency Price had 19.8 bwar, Scherzer 17.9, and Lester 12.4. Last year before free agency 6.2 for Price, 5.7 for Scherzer and 4.7 for Lester. David Price was battle tested in the tough AL East.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 12, 2018 16:45:34 GMT -5
John Henry also fired the guy who didn't sign Max Scherzer and Jon Lester.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 12, 2018 16:54:49 GMT -5
So you predicted an AL East veteran pitcher that was crazy elite his whole career would have injuries? David Price was about the safest pitcher you could sign. A guy having a HOF career. Pitching is risky and injuries happen, but no one thought this would happen. It was always maybe the backend of this deal is bad or he opts out and we have to give him an even bigger deal. What are the winning lottery numbers this week? Max Scherzer was the safest bet and he has been the best pitcher money could buy the last 4 years. Seriously, do you read the WEEI comments section and bring the worst takes here? Why bother with hindsight? Maybe I'll start keeping tabs on your amazing suggestions and grade you on them every year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 16:57:44 GMT -5
John Henry also fired the guy who didn't sign Max Scherzer and Jon Lester. You're right, but it wasn't Ben Cherington's decision to cap out the Jon Lester contract at 135 million at the time. You know? I'm already just kind of bummed out that we are at year 3 of the David Price contract and Eric is already making threads about if he's a 31 million dollar bullpen arm.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 16:59:17 GMT -5
Max Scherzer was the safest bet and he has been the best pitcher money could buy the last 4 years. Seriously, do you read the WEEI comments section and bring the worst takes here? Why bother with hindsight? Maybe I'll start keeping tabs on your amazing suggestions and grade you on them every year. No I don't read any of that crap. I'm sorry if the truth of what's happening to Price is irritating you.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 12, 2018 17:00:32 GMT -5
Seriously, do you read the WEEI comments section and bring the worst takes here? Why bother with hindsight? Maybe I'll start keeping tabs on your amazing suggestions and grade you on them every year. No I don't read any of that crap. I'm sorry if the truth of what's happening to Price is irritating you. What is irritating is your consistent emotional outbursts about what the Red Sox should do or should have done because they aren't 162-0.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2018 17:06:52 GMT -5
I think now would be an excellent time to turn our attention back to the sox-jays series. Let's move on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 17:09:54 GMT -5
Max Scherzer was the safest bet and he has been the best pitcher money could buy the last 4 years. Pedro you're using hindsight. Why was he the safest bet? Because he's been the best of the bunch? For example last 4 years before reaching free agency Price had 19.8 bwar, Scherzer 17.9, and Lester 12.4. Last year before free agency 6.2 for Price, 5.7 for Scherzer and 4.7 for Lester. David Price was battle tested in the tough AL East. Scherzer was trending upward each year. The Nationals gm at the time (I think Mike Rizzo) made a comment when they signed Scherzer that they had signed the best starting pitcher the next couple of years and I remember agreeing with him. Price had been consistent early in his career, but as you can see, that had little to do with how he was going to do in the future. Anyways I'm done arguing about this. Surprised my first comment even got this much reaction in the first place, when it was the truth.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 17:15:12 GMT -5
No I don't read any of that crap. I'm sorry if the truth of what's happening to Price is irritating you. What is irritating is your consistent emotional outbursts about what the Red Sox should do or should have done because they aren't 162-0. I wasn't anything emotional about anything. In fact, I made a suggestion in my first post and everyone else lost their minds.
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Post by p23w on Jul 12, 2018 17:25:01 GMT -5
Some one (or several) will have egg on their face after tonight.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 12, 2018 17:53:31 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how Price pitches with Sandy behind the plate. The last time Sandy caught him was his complete game near-shutout.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 17:54:56 GMT -5
Cora is also suggesting Lin might get a start on Sunday.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 12, 2018 18:25:56 GMT -5
The big problem with signing Price was the expectation that he would provide ace-like performance for the first half of the contract which would make the inevitable deterioration in performance acceptable for the back half of the contract. Now it looks like they won't even get 1 ace-type season.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 12, 2018 18:31:08 GMT -5
Omg, what a painful HBP for Pearce. Right on his shin. Ouch.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 18:47:24 GMT -5
At least the Yankees are losing.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 12, 2018 18:47:42 GMT -5
Steve Pearce. A true gamer.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2018 18:50:05 GMT -5
Happ is a friggin sorcerer.
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Post by wildsox on Jul 12, 2018 18:51:15 GMT -5
We will be all over Happ in our 2nd and 3rd time through the order. He's hittable
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 18:55:13 GMT -5
Pierce is out of the game. Well that blows. At least Swihart seems like he could be heating up at the plate lately.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 12, 2018 19:03:43 GMT -5
Surprised, Cora didn't challenge there. Looked safe by 1/10th of a step. Speier saying that Pedroia has doubts whether he'll be back this year. Hope they get Chavis some reps at 2B.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2018 19:07:35 GMT -5
We will be all over Happ in our 2nd and 3rd time through the order. He's hittable Stop that.
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