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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2018 8:44:13 GMT -5
Pomeranz in his great stretch last year vs. his last start this year vs. Houston. 91.6, 91.1 FB velo 11.5, 10.6 FB movement 79.9, 79.5 CU velo 8.5, 9.9 CU movement Being down 0.4 to 0.5 velo doesn't turn you from being dominant to awful. It's all about command, that's all about mechanics, and those can be recovered at any time. I have it as coin toss and I don't see any argument that it's anything but that. No one'a asking Wright to pitch with his knee inflamed. We're hoping that the inflamation goes away if given three months. Loss of command is also associated with UCL damage, and we already know he doesn't have the world's most pristine elbow. However, we had that thought about him in spring training last year as well and he ended up with a great season.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 17, 2018 9:24:23 GMT -5
To me Moustakas is to drive up the price. I love when I hear Cashman said none of his top prospects are on the table. Lol. If I was a GM I would hang up the phone. Cashman has to call his buddy Jeter to get another Stanton deal.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2018 9:30:36 GMT -5
Loss of command is also associated with UCL damage, and we already know he doesn't have the world's most pristine elbow. However, we had that thought about him in spring training last year as well and he ended up with a great season. I don't know if that's particularly encouraging. Garrett Richards had a damaged UCL and managed to avoid TJ... until he didn't.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2018 9:53:52 GMT -5
However, we had that thought about him in spring training last year as well and he ended up with a great season. I don't know if that's particularly encouraging. Garrett Richards had a damaged UCL and managed to avoid TJ... until he didn't. I'm just trying to find anything really.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
I hope eric is right as well but watching Pomeranz pitch was painful and he'd need one hell of a turnaround. 2018 Boston xERA 6.75 Pawtucket xERA 8.61 2017 wFB/C .36 2018 wFB/C -.29 2017 wCB/C .61 2018 wCB/C -3.40 That's 3.4 runs above the average curveball per hundred curves weighted. Also, the learning to pitch with the knee was Wright's quote not mine. You're not wrong about anyone of Eduardo, Pomeranz, or Wright. -Wright was one of the worst pitchers in baseball last year when he tried to come back too soon from that knee injury. -Pomeranz has had multiple arm injuries and isn't pitching like a healthy Pomeranz would. -Eduardo has "serious" ligament damage. He has also pitched really bad when trying to come back from injuries in the past. Basically the Sox are in win now mode and the health of the rotation is falling apart. Unless Dombrowski does something drastic, it could blow up in their face. That last Eduardo injury was a real killer and letdown for me. Kind of deflated after it, to be honest.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2018 10:15:59 GMT -5
I hope eric is right as well but watching Pomeranz pitch was painful and he'd need one hell of a turnaround. 2018 Boston xERA 6.75 Pawtucket xERA 8.61 2017 wFB/C .36 2018 wFB/C -.29 2017 wCB/C .61 2018 wCB/C -3.40 That's 3.4 runs above the average curveball per hundred curves weighted. Also, the learning to pitch with the knee was Wright's quote not mine. You're not wrong about anyone of Eduardo, Pomeranz, or Wright. -Wright was one of the worst pitchers in baseball last year when he tried to come back too soon from that knee injury. -Pomeranz has had multiple arm injuries and isn't pitching like a healthy Pomeranz would. -Eduardo has "serious" ligament damage. He has also pitched really bad when trying to come back from injuries in the past. Basically the Sox are in win now mode and the health of the rotation is falling apart. Unless Dombrowski does something drastic, it could blow up in their face. That last Eduardo injury was real killer and letdown for me. Kind of deflated after it, to be honest.My dude, you've been on freak out mode since April. Try to enjoy this historic run from this amazing team,it's just an advice.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 10:25:30 GMT -5
Not trying to be dramatic. Just trying to be honest here. Dombrowski blows up the future for a title quest with what seems like a awesome core that seems 3-4 years in nature (2016-2019). Now the injury bug is hitting the team hard after failing to win the last 2 years.
I've loved what I've seen all season, but these injuries don't bode well for future success. Their record does speak for how awesome they've been so far, but man injuries can change everything.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 17, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -5
I was at the game Saturday. Was definitely in freak out mode as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2018 12:11:22 GMT -5
I don't know if that's particularly encouraging. Garrett Richards had a damaged UCL and managed to avoid TJ... until he didn't. I'm just trying to find anything really. This is his walk year. It would not be in the interest of either the Red Sox or Pomeranz to get TJ surgery. You try to pitch through it like in the days before TJ. Farrell needed it for most of his career as did tons of pitchers. It's not like as if humanity has suddenly developed a genetic deficiency that's bad for baseball.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2018 12:15:01 GMT -5
I was at the game Saturday. Was definitely in freak out mode as well. It was a shame, his most efficient start of the year. He was only at 67 pitches when he came out. Probably would have gone 7. For me, I didn't freak out until I read about the boot. It didn't look all that serious and he walked off the field without a limp (that I saw).
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Post by rismith on Jul 17, 2018 12:28:53 GMT -5
Having had many ankle injuries ranging from sprain to breaks....It certainly didnt appear too bad when he walked off the field. I know they can swell up but every sprain involves some level of ligament damage so it is simply unclear what "serious damage" means. I am hopeful for the best but with ERod these things always seem to linger.
That is the long way of saying....WTF
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2018 12:30:59 GMT -5
Having had many ankle injuries ranging from sprain to breaks....It certainly didnt appear too bad when he walked off the field. I know they can swell up but every sprain involves some level of ligament damage so it is simply unclear what "serious damage" means. I am hopeful for the best but with ERod these things always seem to linger. That is the long way of saying....WTF It can't be that serious if he was walking. I had a serious ankle injury that had me on crutches for 14 weeks including 2 surgeries and then I limped for over a year. To this day, that ankle is far less flexible than the other one.
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Post by dawnbringr on Jul 17, 2018 13:10:27 GMT -5
DeGrom would have 2 1/2 years control remaining. Syndergaard 3 1/2 years. I don't think the Red Sox have enough to offer in a trade for either of these two unless they were willing to talk about Devers or another starter. Zack Wheeler has had a pretty good year after a couple of bad ones, but I think that even he would come with a prohibitive price tag, probably Dalbec, Beeks (+)...
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 17, 2018 13:20:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately I’ve been in a situation like E-Rod, Wright, and Pedroia. I spent the majority of 6 years during high school/college in braces, boots, crutches, and a couple of ankle surgeries. The second surgery was very similar to what Pedroia and Wright had. A sort of cartilage rebuild in my right ankle. Now I obviously wasn’t in professional athlete shape before the surgery and I don’t have the rehab resources that the Sox will be able to offer them, but when you have to have your cartilage repaired/replaced, the joint will pretty much never be the same. Arthritis through the roof, limited mobility (I have almost no lateral movement of my ankle), and some continued pain. I’m not trying to complain or anything, just trying to say that these kinds of surgeries aren’t 100% cure all’s and these guys have a long road ahead of them and even the best case scenarios aren’t total wins.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 17, 2018 13:20:46 GMT -5
I was at the game Saturday. Was definitely in freak out mode as well. It was a shame, his most efficient start of the year. He was only at 67 pitches when he came out. Probably would have gone 7. For me, I didn't freak out until I read about the boot. It didn't look all that serious and he walked off the field without a limp (that I saw). Right, I saw him down on the ground, and then he got up and started walking, and even walked towards the mound and looked like he was going to go back in the game. When he was taken out I thought it was precautionary and then we started getting the reports it was serious. It also sucked at the time because we didn't have our best lineup out there and it looked like we might lose. How did you guys hurt your ankles if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2018 14:30:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately I’ve been in a situation like E-Rod, Wright, and Pedroia. I spent the majority of 6 years during high school/college in braces, boots, crutches, and a couple of ankle surgeries. The second surgery was very similar to what Pedroia and Wright had. A sort of cartilage rebuild in my right ankle. Now I obviously wasn’t in professional athlete shape before the surgery and I don’t have the rehab resources that the Sox will be able to offer them, but when you have to have your cartilage repaired/replaced, the joint will pretty much never be the same. Arthritis through the roof, limited mobility (I have almost no lateral movement of my ankle), and some continued pain. I’m not trying to complain or anything, just trying to say that these kinds of surgeries aren’t 100% cure all’s and these guys have a long road ahead of them and even the best case scenarios aren’t total wins. The fact that Erod doesn't need surgery is the best news we have gotten.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2018 14:35:35 GMT -5
It was a shame, his most efficient start of the year. He was only at 67 pitches when he came out. Probably would have gone 7. For me, I didn't freak out until I read about the boot. It didn't look all that serious and he walked off the field without a limp (that I saw). Right, I saw him down on the ground, and then he got up and started walking, and even walked towards the mound and looked like he was going to go back in the game. When he was taken out I thought it was precautionary and then we started getting the reports it was serious. It also sucked at the time because we didn't have our best lineup out there and it looked like we might lose. How did you guys hurt your ankles if you don't mind me asking? I kinda Joe Theisman'ed my leg playing hockey. I fell backwards with my skate underneath me. Had a spiral fracture of my tibia and tore several tendons in the ankle. Needed a screw through the entire ankle. Basically, only skin and flesh was connecting my foot to my leg. Not putting weight on it for 14 weeks was the hardest thing I've had to go through. It makes you appreciate what people with disabilities deal with. The fact that ERod was able to walk was definitely a good sign.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
I'm just trying to find anything really. This is his walk year. It would not be in the interest of either the Red Sox or Pomeranz to get TJ surgery. You try to pitch through it like in the days before TJ. Farrell needed it for most of his career as did tons of pitchers. It's not like as if humanity has suddenly developed a genetic deficiency that's bad for baseball.It's not like pitchers didn't have their careers shortened by arm injuries constantly prior to TJ, either.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 17, 2018 14:40:26 GMT -5
It was a shame, his most efficient start of the year. He was only at 67 pitches when he came out. Probably would have gone 7. For me, I didn't freak out until I read about the boot. It didn't look all that serious and he walked off the field without a limp (that I saw). Right, I saw him down on the ground, and then he got up and started walking, and even walked towards the mound and looked like he was going to go back in the game. When he was taken out I thought it was precautionary and then we started getting the reports it was serious. It also sucked at the time because we didn't have our best lineup out there and it looked like we might lose. How did you guys hurt your ankles if you don't mind me asking? Mine was more of a long term degrading of the cartilage. Soccer certainly didn’t help. Downside is that I could walk on it. Just painful and stiff and progressively getting worse.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 18:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 17, 2018 18:35:57 GMT -5
Don't we drop 10 slots in the draft if we go over?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 18:50:24 GMT -5
Don't we drop 10 slots in the draft if we go over? Yes, not a big deal though. At this point the Sox need to go over to take on extra money for the needs of this team come trade deadline. I don't see any other way around it with the injuries to their rotation.
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Post by trajanacc on Jul 17, 2018 19:48:38 GMT -5
I’m not saying this is what they are doing, but wouldn’t it have been extremely clever if Cora’s public comments about the severity of E-rod’s injury, and Kennedy’s comments about needing starting pitching were a ploy to drive the price up for the mfy?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2018 23:26:51 GMT -5
DeGrom would have 2 1/2 years control remaining. Syndergaard 3 1/2 years. I don't think the Red Sox have enough to offer in a trade for either of these two unless they were willing to talk about Devers or another starter. Zack Wheeler has had a pretty good year after a couple of bad ones, but I think that even he would come with a prohibitive price tag, probably Dalbec, Beeks (+)... I want to point out that I think the two have one less year of control than I thought. Apparently BP isn't updating service time at Cot's.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 18, 2018 2:42:19 GMT -5
One would think that this will become official very very soon and start what should be a very interesting trade deadline.
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