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Post by mannofsteele on Jul 18, 2018 7:40:22 GMT -5
If there is a way to get Zach Britton make it so. This team has needed a power reliever from the left side for as long as Andrew Miller has not been on the roster.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 18, 2018 8:33:32 GMT -5
It was nice of the Orioles to keep Machado through their series with the Yankees then deal him right before his series with us. Also nice he is going to LA and not Philly, we play Philly 4x and LA none.
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Post by costpet on Jul 18, 2018 10:21:35 GMT -5
I’ m Dreaming of Chris Archer. You never know. We do have some ammo in the minors.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 18, 2018 10:25:32 GMT -5
I’ m Dreaming of Chris Archer. You never know. We do have some ammo in the minors. Yeah.....but it's mostly low caliber....
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2018 12:48:18 GMT -5
Let's keep discussion in here based on actual reporting. If you're throwing out random trade ideas that aren't based on reports, those still belong in the trade idea subforum
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 12:54:20 GMT -5
The other good news is that Dozier has one less suitor in the Dodgers this coming deadline.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 18, 2018 14:01:03 GMT -5
It was nice of the Orioles to keep Machado through their series with the Yankees then deal him right before his series with us. Also nice he is going to LA and not Philly, we play Philly 4x and LA none.
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Post by bgeer091 on Jul 18, 2018 14:53:00 GMT -5
Was our interest in Zach Wheeler an actual report or just an idea thrown out by a writer.
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Post by dawnbringr on Jul 18, 2018 16:03:49 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 4:24:43 GMT -5
This stinks.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 6:55:37 GMT -5
Just seems like the best fit for the rest of the season is Dozier at second base. I'm not sure what Milwaukee's farm system looks like, but I hope the Sox beat their offer.
Dozier is by far the best option at second base this year and *it's not even close.*
If the Sox didn't make a move past getting even Dozier at the trade deadline then I'd be disappointed, but not totally frustrated. August would still have pitchers available, although who knows how many quality ones will be left.
Eric pointed out correctly imo that Dozier could be worth as much as one win above Nunez. That's huge, especially when considering the Yankees are getting healthy and the Sox rotation will hit a rough patch here sometime very soon it seems like.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 7:04:32 GMT -5
I don't know who the Sox will honestly will get in terms of relievers. I've pointed out like 12 in the trade forum and Eric has pointed out even more. It's a guessing game at this point and very few will probably have the right answer. It's also a guess if Dombrowski will actually pull off getting "a real guy" as the media reported a week ago when quoting another MLB executive about the Sox desire to get a reliever.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 19, 2018 7:08:39 GMT -5
Every contender has a better system than the Red Sox, especially when it comes to talent that appears ready to help in 2019.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 7:23:58 GMT -5
Every contender has a better system than the Red Sox, especially when it comes to talent that appears ready to help in 2019. Yeah makes it real tough to even guess who they're going to get, or who will even be there for the taking. Dombrowski has a tough job ahead of him. I could see him throwing the kitchen sink to get a bullpen guy (think top 5 prospect or multiple top 10 prospects), but even then another team might beat that offer if there's interest. I really hope Brasier and Thornburg are real guys because there's a real chance the Sox don't come away with anything. Britton for example looks like a pipe dream the more he gets attention around the league about his uptick in velocity. I'd be ticked if there's no Dozier on the Sox though, that's the one guy I think they need in order to win the division. You can argue about starters and bullpen all day due to injuries or effectiveness, but I know second base isn't good enough as constituted.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 19, 2018 7:48:18 GMT -5
Given what Machado went for we have more than enough to make trades. Orioles got one really good prospect and 4 guys outside the crappy Orioles top 10. So as far as rentals go we can get anyone. It just comes down to how far we want to go.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 7:52:48 GMT -5
Given what Machado went for we have more than enough to make trades. Orioles got one really good prospect and 4 guys outside the crappy Orioles top 10. So as far as rentals go we can get anyone. It just comes down to how far we want to go. The Sox don't have even that one really good prospect. Maybe Mata, depends on how another organization views him. That pretty much should take out Britton out of the mix for the Sox immediately. Dozier and rental relievers outside of Britton are okay bets, although I hate Milwaukee's presence in the Dozier talks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2018 7:56:04 GMT -5
Have the Red Sox even been linked to Dozier?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 19, 2018 7:57:07 GMT -5
Dean Kremer could arguably be Boston's #2 prospect. He's easily within the Orioles top 10. He's relatively new to pitching, throws 96, has two secondaries, and shoved in the best hitter environment in North American organized baseball.
There are two issues with the comparisons: 1. They are based on MLB Pipeline's preseason rankings: Diaz and Kremer both have helium, so their current value isn't reflected at all by those rankings. 2. The Red Sox have the worst top five in baseball. There are probably only two or three other teams where Mata is even a top-five prospect. Never mind #2. Which isn't meant as a disrespect to Mata, who is an interesting arm who has moved quickly and is holding his own in the Carolina League at 19. But it's going to be a real problem for this team to trade for impact players who other teams want.
So when we hear "borderline Top 100 guy, and four other guys outside the Top 10" it makes you think the Dodgers got Machado for something like, I dunno, Chavis, Jerez, Thompson, Castellanos, and Baldwin. That's not accurate anymore.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 19, 2018 8:06:08 GMT -5
I just don't see Britton costing a ton. More like a Herrera package, heck not even that good. You pay crazy high prices for top notch relievers because they aren't risky, but Britton is risky.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 8:09:58 GMT -5
I just don't see Britton costing a ton. More like a Herrera package, heck not even that good. You pay crazy high prices for top notch relievers because they aren't risky, but Britton is risky. Depends how the teams around the league views Britton, Britton is better than Herrera when both are healthy. I don't see Britton as that much of a risk. He's a rental and he's been getting stronger as the year goes along.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2018 8:11:36 GMT -5
Have the Red Sox even been linked to Dozier? Not yet, but it's still early and who knows what's happening behind the scenes. Dombrowski pulled off the Steve Pierce trade out of no where it seemed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 19, 2018 8:19:14 GMT -5
Dean Kremer could arguably be Boston's #2 prospect. He's easily within the Orioles top 10. He's relatively new to pitching, throws 96, has two secondaries, and shoved in the best hitter environment in North American organized baseball. There are two issues with the comparisons: 1. They are based on MLB Pipeline's preseason rankings: Diaz and Kremer both have helium, so their current value isn't reflected at all by those rankings. 2. The Red Sox have the worst top five in baseball. There are probably only two or three other teams where Mata is even a top-five prospect. Never mind #2. Which isn't meant as a disrespect to Mata, who is an interesting arm who has moved quickly and is holding his own in the Carolina League at 19. But it's going to be a real problem for this team to trade for impact players who other teams want. So when we hear "borderline Top 100 guy, and four other guys outside the Top 10" it makes you think the Dodgers got Machado for something like, I dunno, Chavis, Jerez, Thompson, Castellanos, and Baldwin. That's not accurate anymore. That's if you think Mata is really number two, I don't. I get your point, we can't match a Machado package. My point was if he went for that, the other guys will be rather cheap. They won't be requiring top 100 guys, so the weak top of the system won't matter. Frankly I think the demise of our system is BS anyway. Yea we lack the high end guys in the upper minors, but our lower minors are loaded.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 19, 2018 8:24:37 GMT -5
I wish there was a Fister out there.
I know it’s risky but the August deadline might shake out pretty good also. I would like to see what Buttrey and I am not scarred to jump Lakins two levels either. I trust DD he has a handle on the deadline. This team is over Ortiz now. You can see there coming into there own. I mean leadership , the culture and J.D. fits in perfect.
I don’t understand why ERod has this one step forward and two steps back . I don’t mean he is responsible. Just there’s a level he can’t push through for one reason or another. Maybe he takes advantage of this and rest up the arm. This team will not be denied.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 19, 2018 10:36:59 GMT -5
Brand Hand dealt along with Adam Cimber to Indians for Francisco Mejia. Bad news for the Sox on two fronts, the Indians with a revamped bullpen can catapult themselves back into the conversation as an elite team in the AL and that is a steep price to pay for a reliever. If those are the types of prices for relievers it will be tough for the Sox to acquire a difference maker without gutting the system more.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2018 10:41:11 GMT -5
Brand Hand dealt to Indians for Francisco Mejia and Adam Cimber. Bad news for the Sox on two fronts, the Indians with a revamped bullpen can catapult themselves back into the conversation as an elite team in the AL and that is a steep price to pay for a reliever. If those are the types of prices for relievers it will be tough for the Sox to acquire a difference maker without gutting the system more. The steep price was more the function of years of control that both Hand and Cimber have (as the Indians soon probably lose Allen and Miller to free agency) than how much of a difference maker they are versus other relievers. Years of control is the biggest key. Hand might be the best guy out there but I don't think he's better than Herrera necessarily and Herrera's deal was a lot less, just as I suspect Britton's deal will be. The one thing that will prop up what the O's get back is that there's a ton of competition to acquire Britton. That should help inflate his value a little bit, but it still won't be anywhere near what Cleveland gave up. It's all about the years of control for cheap.
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