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Post by nomar on Jul 21, 2018 11:47:38 GMT -5
Buying low on a half year of Dozier makes sense to me. I know the roster for position players is already crowded but he always seems to rake in the second half.
I think Familia could handle pitching in Boston, but I hate the idea for trading for another back end reliever and don’t want to get involved in a bidding war with Oakland.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 21, 2018 11:50:41 GMT -5
Buying low on a half year of Dozier makes sense to me. I know the roster for position players is already crowded but he always seems to rake in the second half. I think Familia could handle pitching in Boston, but I hate the idea for trading for another back end reliever and don’t want to get involved in a bidding war with Oakland. Its getting involved in a bidding war for Familia with one team or getting involved in a bidding war for Britton with about 8 teams.
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Post by nomar on Jul 21, 2018 11:55:05 GMT -5
Buying low on a half year of Dozier makes sense to me. I know the roster for position players is already crowded but he always seems to rake in the second half. I think Familia could handle pitching in Boston, but I hate the idea for trading for another back end reliever and don’t want to get involved in a bidding war with Oakland. Its getting involved in a bidding war for Familia with one team or getting involved in a bidding war for Britton with about 8 teams. Don’t want Britton. 6 good innings in July isn’t enough to sell me that he’s back, and then you factor in all the interest across the league... no thanks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2018 11:57:17 GMT -5
Edit- Heyman also suggested that if the Cardinals fall too far out of the race, Carlos Martinez could become available and the Yankees could go after him. That would be a nice addition for the Sox. He is signed for less then 12m per year for the next 3 years with two club options (about 17m per) It would also be good to have someone displace Pedroia as being the player who signed with the organization the earliest.EDIT: Never mind. He just went on the DL with an oblique strain. So much for that.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 21, 2018 13:28:00 GMT -5
That would be a nice addition for the Sox. He is signed for less then 12m per year for the next 3 years with two club options (about 17m per) It would also be good to have someone displace Pedroia as being the player who signed with the organization the earliest.EDIT: Never mind. He just went on the DL with an oblique strain. So much for that. Eh. Oblique strain doesn't seem like a long-term injury.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2018 13:31:39 GMT -5
That would be a nice addition for the Sox. He is signed for less then 12m per year for the next 3 years with two club options (about 17m per) It would also be good to have someone displace Pedroia as being the player who signed with the organization the earliest.EDIT: Never mind. He just went on the DL with an oblique strain. So much for that. Gee, I wonder who he would suggest be traded for him?
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 21, 2018 15:37:46 GMT -5
It would also be good to have someone displace Pedroia as being the player who signed with the organization the earliest.EDIT: Never mind. He just went on the DL with an oblique strain. So much for that. Gee, I wonder who he would suggest be traded for him?Well, what would you offer if they said you can have Martinez & Carpenter but you also have to take Fowler? JBJ's not on the table?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2018 15:46:49 GMT -5
Bryan MATA not starting
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 21, 2018 15:49:32 GMT -5
If I were a manager, I'd coordinate rest days for star players right before the trade deadline and have them hug everyone in the dugout before going to the clubhouse. It's my favorite time of the year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2018 17:08:40 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder who he would suggest be traded for him? Well, what would you offer if they said you can have Martinez & Carpenter but you also have to take Fowler? JBJ's not on the table? I wouldn't trade JBJ for anything. He should go into the HOF as a Red Sox. I hope they're working on an extension that keeps him in Boston for the rest of his career and then hire him as a coach when he's done playing. Hell, offer him a blank check and let him fill it out. #19 should be hanging up between #14 and #27. Someday.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 21, 2018 17:20:15 GMT -5
Wren is in KC again
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 21, 2018 17:21:17 GMT -5
Relax. He's not being traded. It's precautionary.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2018 18:37:21 GMT -5
Is Wren tradeable (Sr.) ?For me, I like Merrifield but he won't be cheap. When the Sox were in KC, their broadcasters were speculating that he'd be a trade target.
Cards Martinez is a horrible defensive player and a very late bloomer.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 21, 2018 19:00:55 GMT -5
@buster_ESPN Red Sox among a bunch of teams evaluating DET's Mike Fiers as a possible trade target -- and they are doing it first-hand tonight. Fiers opened this game with three scoreless innings; one out in the fourth now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2018 19:17:22 GMT -5
Is Wren tradeable (Sr.) ?For me, I like Merrifield but he won't be cheap. When the Sox were in KC, their broadcasters were speculating that he'd be a trade target. Cards Martinez is a horrible defensive player and a very late bloomer. I think you are confusing Carlos Martinez and Jose Martinez. Or I am? I thought we were talking about the pitcher, right?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 21, 2018 19:24:37 GMT -5
Is Wren tradeable (Sr.) ?For me, I like Merrifield but he won't be cheap. When the Sox were in KC, their broadcasters were speculating that he'd be a trade target. Cards Martinez is a horrible defensive player and a very late bloomer. I liked Merrifield as well, but he also went 9/14 against us with 3 2B's and a walk in that road series earlier this month. That could be why. He was a (college) teammate of JBJ IIRC.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2018 19:28:05 GMT -5
Is Wren tradeable (Sr.) ?For me, I like Merrifield but he won't be cheap. When the Sox were in KC, their broadcasters were speculating that he'd be a trade target. Cards Martinez is a horrible defensive player and a very late bloomer. I think you are confusing Carlos Martinez and Jose Martinez. Or I am? I thought we were talking about the pitcher, right? No. the twitter speculation was about Carlos Jose Martinez who doesn't fit the Cards profile because of defense. They were speculating to an AL club with the DH, specifically the Yankees.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 21, 2018 19:31:49 GMT -5
I think you are confusing Carlos Martinez and Jose Martinez. Or I am? I thought we were talking about the pitcher, right? No. the twitter speculation was about Carlos Martinez who doesn't fit the Cards profile because of defense. They were speculating to an AL club with the DH, specifically the Yankees. But Carlos Martinez is a pitcher. Unless the Cardinals have 2 Carlos Martinez Edit: Jose Martinez is a 1B, also on the Cardinals. I think that's Chris's point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2018 19:44:04 GMT -5
No. the twitter speculation was about Carlos Martinez who doesn't fit the Cards profile because of defense. They were speculating to an AL club with the DH, specifically the Yankees. But Carlos Martinez is a pitcher. Unless the Cardinals have 2 Carlos Martinez Edit: Jose Martinez is a 1B, also on the Cardinals. I think that's Chris's point. Ah OK, got that wrong in that post but my first post didn't mention a first name, only said a horrible defensive player.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 21, 2018 19:44:23 GMT -5
According to mlbtraderumors.com it sounds like Cubs and Astros are trying to match prospects with the Orioles - there's no mention of the Red Sox, so it appears the Sox really aren't that heavy into the Zach Britton sweepstakes.
If that's the case, that might mean the Sox wind up with Fernando Rodney, which would be a huge disappointment. At least that's where Frank Wren appears to be scouting.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2018 21:38:38 GMT -5
@buster_ESPN Red Sox among a bunch of teams evaluating DET's Mike Fiers as a possible trade target -- and they are doing it first-hand tonight. Fiers opened this game with three scoreless innings; one out in the fourth now. Jason Mastrodonato Verified account @jmastrodonato 2h2 hours ago More Jason Mastrodonato Retweeted Buster Olney Cora was super impressed with Fiers, offered a lot of compliments postgame.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 21, 2018 22:02:56 GMT -5
Fiers pitched very well in that big ballpark tonight, although the Sox lineup looks pretty different without JDM in it. They were really missing him tonight. Have a feeling that if the game was at Fenway with JDM in the lineup the results would have been different, but that's just my speculation.
I think all in all, even though his ERA looks nice, he's kind of mediocre pitcher (although I remember his no-hitter), but that's what they'd need at this point. We don't know if Pomeranz can be mediocre or if he's Drew of 2017 or a guy who has struggled mightily this year.
Even if Pomeranz pitches well both times out they might want to get Fiers as depth in case somebody else goes down with an injury as it's apparent that Wright isn't coming back, E-Rod is still a question mark, and Beeks hasn't pitched well in his two looks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
The only ball the Sox hit (that I saw/remember) where Fenway would have been a factor was JBJ's flyout that would have been a 2 RBI double at home.
His stats somewhat confirms what you are saying with ERA and FIP somewhat higher but xFIP is about the same.
I view him as an above average #4 or #5 (for the Sox). He's 33, on a one year contract. Nothing Earth shattering but a decent get. He's been pitching at about a #3 level.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2018 6:57:15 GMT -5
If there's anything I can guarantee this trade deadline, it's that Hembree and a marginal prospect is NOT getting Britton. I don't get why people think Britton isn't getting much this deadline in terms of prospect value. He's the best rental reliever out there and there will be at least 5-7 teams interested in getting him. It wouldn't surprise me if Britton gets a top 10 prospect in a good farm system, never mind a top 5 prospect in the Sox system. People seem to forget that competition drives the price up on even a rental reliever. This is what I was warning everyone about when it came to the Zach Britton sweepstakes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 22, 2018 7:26:12 GMT -5
If there's anything I can guarantee this trade deadline, it's that Hembree and a marginal prospect is NOT getting Britton. I don't get why people think Britton isn't getting much this deadline in terms of prospect value. He's the best rental reliever out there and there will be at least 5-7 teams interested in getting him. It wouldn't surprise me if Britton gets a top 10 prospect in a good farm system, never mind a top 5 prospect in the Sox system. People seem to forget that competition drives the price up on even a rental reliever. This is what I was warning everyone about when it came to the Zach Britton sweepstakes. I've had the same concern. Teams will be outbidding each other to try land Britton. Despite that I still don't think it's going to get the Orioles a prospect that's rated in the top 75. The Nationals gave up 3 players for Herrera. None of them look like an overwhelming loss. With the Sox a package like the Nationals gave up might be more keenly felt because the Sox system is so shallow. It could cost the Sox somebody like Chavis or Dalbec along with one of Lakins or Buttrey and an A ball lottery ticket. That would hurt the Sox more than a similar package would hurt another team like Houston. That maybe why we might get subjected to the Fernando Rodney horror show come 7/31.
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