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7/20-7/22 Red Sox @ Tigers Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2018 9:51:57 GMT -5
7/20 Red Sox (LHP David Price 10-6, 4.42, 108.0 IP, 109K:34BB) @ Tigers (LHP Matthew Boyd 4-8, 4.76, 98.1 IP, 87K:36BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/21 Red Sox (LHP Brian Johnson 1-2, 4.20, 49.1 IP, 42K:17BB) @ Tigers (RHP Mike Fiers 6-6, 3.70, 104.2 IP, 76K:21BB) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/22 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale 10-4, 2.23, 129.0 IP, 188K:33BB) @ Tigers (RHP Michael Fulmer 3-9, 4.50, 112.0 IP, 93K:38BB) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2018: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2018 10:34:43 GMT -5
The All Star break makes me realize how there is just nothing on tv this time of year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2018 10:42:35 GMT -5
Hey, the Red Sox signed the pitcher who was supposed to be Mariano Rivera's replacement!
I wonder if Bannister can fix him.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 20, 2018 11:17:42 GMT -5
This is probably as good a time as any to point out the staggering flaw in MLB's playoff format.
I'll use the projected wins from my True Adjusted Standings spreadsheet (more on that in a bit). Assume the Yankees win the W/C game.
Division Series A:
1st seed Boston (110 wins) vs. 4th seed New York (108 wins)
Division Series B:
2nd seed Houston (106 wins) vs. 3rd seed Cleveland (86 wins)
The idea was to force the WC winner to play the best team in the league as an incentive for winning the division. WTF? WTFF? Avoiding the WC game is already a massive incentive.
Once you have your four teams, the only fair way to seed the division series is by the W/L records without regard for standings.
As it's designed ... any time the two best teams in the league are in the same division, not only is one eliminated in a coin toss game, they then have to face one another in the first round of the playoffs in a too-short series where luck plays way too large a role! (As in, there's no WS in either 2004 or 2007 if it were all 5-game series.)
It's so catastrophic that I could imagine the comissioner's office fixing it, if it were brought to their attention. Nobody wants to see the Red Sox and Yankees play each other in a 5-game series if they both finish ahead of the Astros.
I mean, even if the Astros end up with the #1 seed, there's going to be some question as to whether that was earned, because, unlike whoever wins the East, they didn't have to play a team as good as themselves 19 times (the Yankees schedule has already been 1.5 games tougher, and ours has been 0.5). But having them get to play the Indians because they finished behind the AL champ is absurd.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2018 11:27:14 GMT -5
Cleveland is winning the World Series anyway. They've had all these years of being outstanding and missing out. Now that they're basically mediocre they'll go all the way.
Anyway, I agree with you and could also see them fixing it. Remember in the first couple years of the wild card, when the rule was that the East and West division teams hosted in the first round, and the wild card team couldn't play a team in its own division? So, when the Yankees won the wild card in 1995, they couldn't play the Red Sox (own division), and for some reason the 100-44 Indians were not allowed to be a home team in the first round (that was seriously a rule someone thought made sense), so they played the Mariners. That left the Red Sox, the second best team in the AL, to get smoked by a monster of an Indians team.
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Post by patford on Jul 20, 2018 13:01:54 GMT -5
Hey, the Red Sox signed the pitcher who was supposed to be Mariano Rivera's replacement! I wonder if Bannister can fix him. He's a career minor league arm with an 85 mph FB. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2018 13:06:27 GMT -5
Does he really only throw 85 now? Shoulder problems are rough like that. He used to throw 95 with a killer 85 mph slider.
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Post by danr on Jul 20, 2018 13:13:56 GMT -5
Hey, the Red Sox signed the pitcher who was supposed to be Mariano Rivera's replacement! I wonder if Bannister can fix him. He's a career minor league arm with an 85 mph FB. His 8-year minor league ERA is 2.34. He struck out 466 batters in 366 innings. He also has only given up only 16 HRs in eight seasons. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 20, 2018 14:26:18 GMT -5
Betts in center and JDM in right for tonight’s game. Interesting defensive positioning. But Martinez played in that outfield a long time.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jul 20, 2018 15:17:21 GMT -5
The MLB playoff format should be simple: make the team with the best record in each league pick their first round opponent. The teams probably don't want to be forced into actually making a decision out of fear it'll give the opposing team "extra motivation", but it's fair and avoids crappy situations like a potential AL/NLDS between the best two teams. This format could generate additional fan/media discussion as the season winds down, and it could add some emotion to the series if the chosen team feels slighted. If they want to go crazy they could make a show of it, maybe paired with the WC play-in games. The travel/timing aspect should be easy enough to navigate.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 20, 2018 15:47:21 GMT -5
The All Star break makes me realize how there is just nothing on tv this time of year. We have been on basic cable for 10 years so we don't even turn it on....(just part of our internet package). Sox over mlb.com on roku - that's it! It's all Amazon Prime movies or Netflix DVDs for us. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2018 15:55:58 GMT -5
Betts in center and JDM in right for tonight’s game. Interesting defensive positioning. But Martinez played in that outfield a long time. Didn't Cora say a couple weeks ago that's what they'd be going with at this point? At any rate, that's been the alignment the last couple times Bradley's sat. (BTW a huge thank you to Cora for getting Betts CF eligibility for me for the rest of this season and all of next, which is just huge for me as I try and chase down a fantasy league title.) |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2018 15:57:29 GMT -5
The All Star break makes me realize how there is just nothing on tv this time of year. We have been on basic cable for 10 years so we don't even turn it on....(just part of our internet package). Sox over mlb.com on roku - that's it! It's all Amazon Prime movies or Netflix DVDs for us. Other sports on ESPN (wife, for example, is a huge FSU football fan), and when the Sox or Rays (again, wife) are on MASN and would otherwise be blacked out, are literally the only reason we have cable. We will watch other things but it's nothing we'd miss. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 20, 2018 16:08:57 GMT -5
amp.usatoday.com/amp/801497002?__twitter_impression=trueBob Nightengale wrote a nice second half primer. Player quotes everywhere. You can see Aaron Boone almost crying with this quote lol- “You drive yourself crazy in July trying to keep track of that,” Yankees manager Aaron Boone told reporters last weekend. “I’m aware they win every game." Yummy tears lol.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 20, 2018 16:17:41 GMT -5
As appropriate place as any for this (especially with the recent tv discussion). Apparently Youtube TV is now more widely available and they have NESN - and the Sox games do not appear to be blacked out according to this reddit thread -
https://www.reddit.com/r/redsox/comments/884i0e/confirmed_sox_on_youtube_tv_live_on_nesn_no/
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 20, 2018 16:19:16 GMT -5
So, a lot of talk about how the NL is smacking the AL around in interleague play, 102-85, for the first time since the Eisenhower administration. Or, ever.
An obvious question: which AL teams have played the most interleague games so far, and which have played the least, and could that be biasing the results?
Teams that have played the most games:
18 Baltimore Orioles 18 Minnesota Twins 17 Chicago White Sox
8 Boston Red Sox 8 Houston Astros 8 Seattle Mariners 8 Texas Rangers
My spreadsheet that adjusts for SOS correctly has the average NL team being 0.4 wins better than the average AL team, per 162 games. Basically, the long lasting AL edge has been negated by the tanking teams, but it hasn't been reversed.
Furthermore, the AL doesn't just have the 3 top teams in MLB, it has 6 of the top 8. I project final true team quality standings by schedule-adjusting what has happened so far, and filling in the remaining games plus 15 games for a potential post-season with 90% underlying stats and 10% karma (both schedule-adjusted), against a neutral schedule, and then scaling back to 162 games. I get the following:
110 Bos 108 NYY 107 Hou 98 ChC 92 OAK 91 Atl 91 TB 91 Sea
90 LAD 89 Phi 88 Mil 87 Ari 86 Cle 84 SF 84 Was 83 LAA 83 Col 82 StL 77 Pit 75 Tor 74 Cin 70 Tex 70 Min 68 Mia 67 NYM 66 SD 64 Det 56 ChW 51 Bal 47 KC
Strength by division:
.548 AL West .536 AL East .517 NL Central .507 NL West .493 NL East .396 AL Central. Seriously.
The Indians are 25-7 against the Tigers, White Sox, and Royals and 27-36 against everyone else.
You all know that the Mariners have had the best karma in MLB. Who do you think is second? This is wins so far, above or below expectations based on underlying stats, adjusted for schedule.
8.5 Sea 5.7 Bos 3.3 Ari 3.3 Oak 3.3 Col
Worst:
-6.2 TB -6.1 ChW -4.0 Bal -3.7 KC -2.9 Was -2.6 Hou
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Post by patford on Jul 20, 2018 17:56:01 GMT -5
He's a career minor league arm with an 85 mph FB. His 8-year minor league ERA is 2.34. He struck out 466 batters in 366 innings. He also has only given up only 16 HRs in eight seasons. And yet he has never even gotten a sniff of MLB. There's got to be a reason. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 20, 2018 18:27:06 GMT -5
I feel like calling Steve Pierce the terminator with the way he's hitting with the Sox so far.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 20, 2018 18:34:30 GMT -5
I feel like calling Steve Pierce the terminator with the way he's hitting with the Sox so far. *Pearce Let’s party. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 20, 2018 18:36:56 GMT -5
'Sup Fellas. Everyone good !! Let's get back to the journey.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 20, 2018 18:58:32 GMT -5
Great catch, JDM!
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 20, 2018 18:59:27 GMT -5
JDM with the stellar D
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 20, 2018 18:59:29 GMT -5
Pedro, brah !!! Give the boy his props  |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2018 19:00:02 GMT -5
Analytics department knew JDM would make that catch.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 20, 2018 19:04:50 GMT -5
After the JD catch Mookie was like:
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