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8/7-8/9 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 7, 2018 8:29:06 GMT -5
8/7 Red Sox (LHP Drew Pomeranz 1-5, 6.56, 46.2 IP, 43K:27BB) @ Blue Jays (RHP Marcus Stroman 4-8, 5.63, 84.2 IP, 68K:30BB) 7:07 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/8 Red Sox (LHP Brian Johnson 2-3, 3.74, 65.0 IP, 63K:22BB) @ Blue Jays (RHP Mike Hauschild 1-0, 0.00, 6.0 IP, 5K:1BB) 7:07 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/9 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 14-4, 3.84, 140.2 IP, 135K:33BB) @ Blue Jays (LHP Ryan Borucki 1-2, 2.30, 43.0 IP, 30K:11BB) 7:07 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2018: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 7, 2018 8:32:40 GMT -5
It will be the first official MLB start for Hauschild. He came in for the second inning on 8/2 after the Blue Jays used Clippard as an "opener," and he went six effective innings. The Jays signed him after the Astros released him a couple weeks ago - he had a mediocre ERA for Fresno, but really good peripherals, and Fresno is a tough place to pitch.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 7, 2018 9:16:14 GMT -5
Pomeranz last start for the Sox?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 7, 2018 9:18:50 GMT -5
This series seems to be an uphill climb, even if Toronto stinks. The Sox are away and have their 6th and 7th starters pitching essentially in the first 2 games. Pomeranz is probably the 7th starter at this point, and he might not even be that if he can't make it through this start without showing anything resembling quality.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 7, 2018 9:25:21 GMT -5
Happy with a 2/3 here.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2018 9:25:38 GMT -5
Pomeranz last start for the Sox? Pomeranz is also likely going to start against Baltimore this weekend I am guessing due to the double header. That Baltimore start will be his last one hopefully. So two more.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 7, 2018 9:45:48 GMT -5
I mean, hopefully it's not his last start because he pitches well enough to have it not be.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 7, 2018 9:46:28 GMT -5
Pomeranz last start for the Sox? Pomeranz is also likely going to start against Baltimore this weekend I am guessing due to the double header. That Baltimore start will be his last one hopefully. So two more. You're right. Forgot abbout the double header.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 7, 2018 9:56:26 GMT -5
I mean, hopefully it's not his last start because he pitches well enough to have it not be. Of course you'd like to see him having a good game but his stuff has been mediocre all year long with no improvement at all. in his last game vs Phili he induced 2 swing and misses (one on the curve and the other on the heater). That's bad.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2018 9:59:06 GMT -5
I don't think there is much evidence Pomeranz might turn it around, he is throwing 87 without command coming off an injury.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 7, 2018 10:09:45 GMT -5
I don't think there is much evidence Pomeranz might turn it around, he is throwing 87 without command coming off an injury. The evidence shows that he is still hurt. If Pomeranz doesn't end up in a surgery table within the next year, I'll be shocked.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 10:33:39 GMT -5
I don't think there is much evidence Pomeranz might turn it around, he is throwing 87 without command coming off an injury. Actually he threw it 89.1 in his last game and got good results with his fastball. It's his curve that is the problem. In July, batters are slugging .733 against his curves. For the season, it's .568, up from .324 in 2017.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 7, 2018 10:42:42 GMT -5
I don't think there is much evidence Pomeranz might turn it around, he is throwing 87 without command coming off an injury. Actually he threw it 89.1 in his last game and got good results with his fastball. It's his curve that is the problem. In July, batters are slugging .733 against his curves. For the season, it's .568, up from .324 in 2017. Not arguing your point. Just pointing out that Pomeranz's average fastball velocity in 2017 was 91.6 mph. Even when his fastball was "up at 89.1 mph" in his last start, it is still way down at 2.5 mph from a year ago.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2018 10:50:56 GMT -5
I am really rooting for Pomeranz. His season has been about the biggest bummer of an otherwise glorious season (well, and Pedroia not getting to be part of it). It seems like everything is wrong: health, mechanics, etc. He was really good last year, and I still think if he can get a bit of command back, he could be a huge addition to the bullpen addition for the post season.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 7, 2018 10:53:11 GMT -5
Lost in the euphoria of "The Sweep" ( that is all it should be called - true Sox fans will know want that means) is the fact that we have put jeopardy on their wild card plans, at a minimum.
I expect the boys to be pumped and ready to stick it to the Jay's. When you're flyin high....you don't ever want to come down.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 10:55:12 GMT -5
I'll predict right now that Pomeranz isn't on the playoff roster. Maybe the Red Sox can sign him to a minor league deal next year because that's about what he's worth at this point.
Meanwhile, Clay Buchholz is quietly making quite a nice comeback in Arizona.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 7, 2018 12:14:43 GMT -5
At least the Yankee sweep has given us a little more flexibility to be cautious with our players coming back from injury. Our lineup after this series will probably look very different from what it was when this series began.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 7, 2018 12:21:20 GMT -5
I'd like to see Pomeranz do well but the fact is we haven't lost since he last pitched. He is running out of time to get it sorted and it's tough knowing our team can come from behind late in games but he hasn't kept it close to even do that. He's been a momentum buster.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 7, 2018 13:05:37 GMT -5
I'd like to see Pomeranz do well but the fact is we haven't lost since he last pitched. He is running out of time to get it sorted and it's tough knowing our team can come from behind late in games but he hasn't kept it close to even do that. He's been a momentum buster. He kept it very close in his last outing.
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Post by 07redsox on Aug 7, 2018 13:15:54 GMT -5
I'd like to see Pomeranz do well but the fact is we haven't lost since he last pitched. He is running out of time to get it sorted and it's tough knowing our team can come from behind late in games but he hasn't kept it close to even do that. He's been a momentum buster. I know Pomeranz hasn't looked great at all this season and all of us expected much better from him, but he also hasn't been starting the game and creating blow-outs that we can't come back from. Yes, he isn't pitching deep into games, but the most he has allowed in a start all season is 5 runs (and we won the game). This isn't someone who is allowing 8-10 runs and we are then losing the game 9-1. He has been pretty bad all year (that may be an understatement sadly), but the team has pretty much been in the game for all his starts (most they have lost by in a game started by Pomeranz is 3 runs). We have one of the best offenses in the league to be able to score the runs needed to win. The best case scenario for this team is Pomeranz turning it around and becoming a viable starter for the rest of the year. Is that likely? Probably not at this point. However, just as a 9 game lead allows you the flexibility to rest players and kept them fresh for the postseason, it also allows the team to send him out there a few more times to see if anything changes. If it does then great. If not, at least you tried to see if you have another weapon for later in the year.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 7, 2018 13:16:21 GMT -5
I'd like to see Pomeranz do well but the fact is we haven't lost since he last pitched. He is running out of time to get it sorted and it's tough knowing our team can come from behind late in games but he hasn't kept it close to even do that. He's been a momentum buster. He kept it very close in his last outing. I would say the defense and the Phillies horrible baserunning kept that game close.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 7, 2018 13:34:33 GMT -5
The thing I'm having trouble with is people are saying things like they are hoping "Pomeranz can turn it around."
If he isn't physically there, its not a matter of turning it around or making adjustments.
They’re throwing him in the deep end and finding out if he can swim.
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Post by jchang on Aug 7, 2018 14:10:05 GMT -5
sorry to be off topic, but would we get compensation picks if either Pom or Kimbrel left in free agency?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2018 14:20:52 GMT -5
sorry to be off topic, but would we get compensation picks if either Pom or Kimbrel left in free agency? Pomeranz no, Kimbrel yes. Pomeranz no because there's no way the Sox are going to offer to pay him the going rate for a qualifying offer (what is it? Above $15 million/year?) to try keep him for a year. If and when he leaves there would be no compensation. I think the Sox would offer a qualifying offer for Kimbrel. He's likely to get around what that offer would be annually anyways and the Sox would be fine if he accepted and pretty surprised as I think it's likely he goes elsewhere for an figure not too far off of the QO going rate, but for multiple years. So I think the Sox will ultimately get a compensation pick for Kimbrel but not for Pomeranz. Or Joe Kelly for that matter.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 14:35:45 GMT -5
sorry to be off topic, but would we get compensation picks if either Pom or Kimbrel left in free agency? Pomeranz no, Kimbrel yes. Pomeranz no because there's no way the Sox are going to offer to pay him the going rate for a qualifying offer (what is it? Above $15 million/year?) to try keep him for a year. If and when he leaves there would be no compensation. I think the Sox would offer a qualifying offer for Kimbrel. He's likely to get around what that offer would be annually anyways and the Sox would be fine if he accepted and pretty surprised as I think it's likely he goes elsewhere for an figure not too far off of the QO going rate, but for multiple years. So I think the Sox will ultimately get a compensation pick for Kimbrel but not for Pomeranz. Or Joe Kelly for that matter. I can't imagine Pomeranz gets anywhere close to the value of a qualifying offer, even if it's for 3 years. I think it's up to $18 million.
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