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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 20, 2018 21:01:51 GMT -5
this is fun.....embrace it !!!
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Post by malynn19 on Aug 20, 2018 21:05:11 GMT -5
JD should of never swung at that, they were pitching around him.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 20, 2018 21:05:25 GMT -5
only 1 pitch was a strike. Let's go X !!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 20, 2018 21:07:04 GMT -5
we'll take it....stayed alive...let's go Kinsler.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 20, 2018 21:12:10 GMT -5
Lots of chances to be a hero tonight - not to be. 11 LOB, 13 hits....
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Post by cutz on Aug 20, 2018 21:12:10 GMT -5
UGH!!!!!
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Post by atzar on Aug 20, 2018 21:13:17 GMT -5
Yuck. Feel like we should have won this one.
On to the next.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 20, 2018 21:13:20 GMT -5
Damn. They never quit and I don't really feel like the Indians outplayed them at all. Tomorrow's game seems bigger. We don't want to give these guys too much confidence. they came in hot and we are going to have to play really well to take them down.
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Post by bookiemetts on Aug 20, 2018 21:13:23 GMT -5
Dang. Was an exciting finish.
Anyone know what the expected runs are when you have 13 hits and 3 walks in a 9 inning game?
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2018 21:13:28 GMT -5
That sucked. Allen was struggling with the zone and Moreland and JDM bailed him out.
Still... it looks fair to say Allen may be a weak spot.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 20, 2018 21:14:28 GMT -5
Tough loss. But this team just never quits and it’s great to see
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 20, 2018 21:17:44 GMT -5
Get 'em tomorrow, this was the least favorable matchup and by all accounts we should have won that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 20, 2018 21:20:42 GMT -5
Frustrating game. Felt like the Sox outplayed them and just all of their hits went over the fence. I know at this point we’re playing tovpretty server people but said in stadium Porcello shouldn’t have started that inning and again said he should’ve come out when he got hit. Even still felt like he pitched much better than his line. Oh well loss s happen but a tough one to watch.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 20, 2018 21:24:57 GMT -5
Get 'em tomorrow, this was the least favorable matchup and by all accounts we should have won that. Johnson vs Carrasco. Im just hoping for 2/3 at this point but losing 3/4 is not out of the question. The Yankees can regain ground quickly as we play two pretty good teams while the Red Sox are resting some of their guys.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 20, 2018 21:48:51 GMT -5
Porcello has really been all or nothing or so-so - last 10 games
IP ER W/L
5.2 4 W (not great) 6 2 W (good) 7 3 W (good) 2 8 L (terrible) 6 0 W (great) 5.2 4 W (not great) 9 1 W (great) 4 7 L (terrible) 7 1 W (great) 7 5 L (not great)
Now alternating the good with the bad.
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Post by station13 on Aug 21, 2018 0:00:55 GMT -5
Moreland .188 BA 2nd half is hitting 3rd. I like JD there isntead.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2018 0:17:21 GMT -5
Disappointing game. They had a 3-0 lead and lost it and left a bunch of runners on.
I liked how they came back in the 9th but they definitely missed a couple of opportunities.
Moreland doesn't really belong in the 3 spot at this point.
I think the Sox should move JDM to 3rd and Bogaerts to 4th and then stick Moreland in at 5 and perhaps work in Pearce a little more. It's too bad Moreland is heading back to his career norms.
Moreland had the 2-0 count with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs. I thought he really had Allen in trouble but he hit that disappointing grounder with the count in his favor. I did like his hustle. I thought it was a DP grounder but he ran really hard down the line.
Then JDM had a rare bad AB where he got himself out. Kinsler put up a nice AB but fell short.
The Sox could be looking at a stretch where their awe inspiring baseball goes into hiatus for a spell. Which isn't the end of the world as long as they maintain that big lead of theirs.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 21, 2018 0:17:34 GMT -5
I just watched the key moments (after napping through them). This one's on Cora.
Porcello's 96th pitch, to Kipnis on 3-2, misses the strike zone so badly that Eck comments that you have to be careful with him, lest you ruin an otherwise solid outing. His 98th pitch is absolutely rocketed and the only reason it doesn't put the go-ahead run in scoring position is that it hurts Porcello. There's no way you don't take him out there. Porcello has a mild career 3rd-time around the order split in his career and especially this season, but tonight, at this point he's:
2/9 with 4 K (.444 OPS)
1/9, HR, 2 K (.555)
2/7, HR, BB, 0 K (.946)
And that's counting the last ball in play as an out.
Given that Eck didn't follow-up his own 100% on-the-nose comment, I think the reality is that they left Porcello in because he was gutting it out in an admirable, impressive, way. Which seemed to have erased the fact that he was melting down from everyone's minds.
I hate when managers go by results rather than actual quality of execution. I'd like to think that Cora was just blinded by the gutsiness factor, because there's really no defending this one. (I wonder if he admitted he blew it in the post-game; it's something he's been willing to do.)
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 21, 2018 6:52:10 GMT -5
That game was a microcosm of Porcello as a pitcher - brilliant in stretches, but when he doesn’t have it, he really doesn’t have it.
In other words, he’s a good third starter.
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2018 9:58:50 GMT -5
Moreland .188 BA 2nd half is hitting 3rd. I like JD there isntead. I think this is the underappreciated story of the season — Mookie and JDM are so good (and Beni and Xander have been quite good), that it is easy to forget that the lineup has shocking weak spots. I like Moreland, but he is not a typical champion’s first baseman. Catcher, 2B, Devers for stretches, JBJ a lot of the season... rough. To me, this is why JDM is MVP. You take him out, Mookie is pretty lonely... like last year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 21, 2018 10:20:02 GMT -5
The Holt-Núñez-Leon weak spot is pretty glaring in particular.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 21, 2018 12:28:56 GMT -5
Moreland .188 BA 2nd half is hitting 3rd. I like JD there isntead. Leave Martinez fourth. It’s a more important spot in the lineup. Third is less important than fifth. I suppose you could swap Kinsler and Moreland.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2018 13:48:00 GMT -5
Moreland .188 BA 2nd half is hitting 3rd. I like JD there isntead. Leave Martinez fourth. It’s a more important spot in the lineup. Third is less important than fifth. I suppose you could swap Kinsler and Moreland. This is where I wish/hope Devers could step up. If he comes back hitting better as he has done gradually this season perhaps the #3 spot in the order would work? Having JDM batting after him would perhaps make it more likely that Devers sees more strikes and help curtail some of his chasing habits? The Sox could leave Moreland 3rd if he starts hitting again but this is the second straight season he has tailed off dramatically, except this time it isn't a big toe issue. They could move up JDM to 3rd in the order and Bogaerts up to 4th and drop Moreland/Pearce to the #5 spot. I get that the #4 spot in the order is more crucial than the #3 spot, but that #4 spot does come up a little more often over the course of the year than the #3 spot so you don't want somebody in a free fall batting 3rd. Perhaps Devers could be the answer. He definitely fits some of the criteria of a #3 hitter. The #3 hitter is the least likely guy to lead off the 2nd inning so if you have a guy who's guaranteed an AB later in the inning like the first inning, you might be better off with a guy who's better with his SA than his OBP (comparatively speaking). I'm recalling a Bill James article I read many years ago in which he talked about managers setting up their big first inning that they neglect the 2nd inning by putting in the low OBP guys in the 4th/5th spot rather than the 3rd spot which he reasoned as more of a power spot. A higher OBP can be more beneficial in the #4 spot because there's a lot of times it is the #4 hitter who leads off the second inning so yeah, JDM is probably better there.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2018 14:08:37 GMT -5
Leave Martinez fourth. It’s a more important spot in the lineup. Third is less important than fifth. I suppose you could swap Kinsler and Moreland. This is where I wish/hope Devers could step up. If he comes back hitting better as he has done gradually this season perhaps the #3 spot in the order would work? Having JDM batting after him would perhaps make it more likely that Devers sees more strikes and help curtail some of his chasing habits? The Sox could leave Moreland 3rd if he starts hitting again but this is the second straight season he has tailed off dramatically, except this time it isn't a big toe issue. They could move up JDM to 3rd in the order and Bogaerts up to 4th and drop Moreland/Pearce to the #5 spot. I get that the #4 spot in the order is more crucial than the #3 spot, but that #4 spot does come up a little more often over the course of the year than the #3 spot so you don't want somebody in a free fall batting 3rd. Perhaps Devers could be the answer. He definitely fits some of the criteria of a #3 hitter. The #3 hitter is the least likely guy to lead off the 2nd inning so if you have a guy who's guaranteed an AB later in the inning like the first inning, you might be better off with a guy who's better with his SA than his OBP (comparatively speaking). I'm recalling a Bill James article I read many years ago in which he talked about managers setting up their big first inning that they neglect the 2nd inning by putting in the low OBP guys in the 4th/5th spot rather than the 3rd spot which he reasoned as more of a power spot. A higher OBP can be more beneficial in the #4 spot because there's a lot of times it is the #4 hitter who leads off the second inning so yeah, JDM is probably better there. I agree in theory that Devers would possibly be good in the #3 spot now, but in reality, I think Cora is going to do everything he can to keep the pressure off of him. I think that's the right move for such a young talented player.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 21, 2018 14:10:24 GMT -5
It's almost like Cora is on the boards here reading conversations about 3,4,5 spots in the lineup. Tonight's lineup is Martinez, Bogaerts, Moreland in the 3,4,5. So a new look
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