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8/24-8/26 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 26, 2018 14:12:43 GMT -5
Top 5 negative WPAs in this game: Moreland, Pearce, Leon, Betts, Nunez. Brasier is 6th worst. Its almost as if Devers phantom DL stint was a bad idea. If we lose tomorrow and the Yankees win they’ll have picked up 4.5 games in a week. If you are gonna watch the standings like that, you will drive yourself nuts. Start getting nervous if they get 3 back, then it could get interesting. We are in great shape boys, I am not nervous. Kinda of glad to get away from Tampa for the rest of the year.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 26, 2018 14:19:43 GMT -5
It obviously sucks losing this series, but the way we've done it isn't too concerning to me. Lot of bad BABIP luck isn't anything to stress about, the team can't really control that. Velazaquez gave up some hard hit balls but he's not going to be on the team in the postseason. The offense is slumping, having some poor sequencing and bad BABIP luck, they've been the best offense in baseball all year I trust that sample over a few games in Tampa,.
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Post by station13 on Aug 26, 2018 14:25:54 GMT -5
What a lovely bullpen we got.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 26, 2018 14:46:56 GMT -5
What a lovely bullpen we got. Yep, it's pretty good! One of the 3 or 5 or 6 best in the majors, depending on how you choose to measure it.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 26, 2018 15:00:17 GMT -5
I'm done with those stupid uniforms (0-6)
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 26, 2018 15:19:48 GMT -5
Three games - total score Rays 24, Sox 5
Betts 1-9 Benny 1-8 JDM 5-9 Moreland 0-6 Xander 4-12 Nunez 5-11 Holt 0-3 JBJ 1-7 Leon 0-5 Swihart 1-5 Pearce 2-11 Kinsler 2-10
19 singles 3 doubles
pretty much tells the story.
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Post by p23w on Aug 26, 2018 15:26:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Eovaldi is not the answer for this year. Love the power arm, not the "straightness". Sorta' like Kelly/ Oh well. My hopes are pinned on a healthy Sale and a determined Price. Oh, and the offense should be ashamed. So many bad AB's this series.
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Post by cutz on Aug 26, 2018 15:44:00 GMT -5
Well, lets get the stink off from the Series and take care of business at Home VS the Marlins & White Sox.
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Post by manfred on Aug 26, 2018 16:02:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Eovaldi is not the answer for this year. Love the power arm, not the "straightness". Sorta' like Kelly/ Oh well. My hopes are pinned on a healthy Sale and a determined Price. Oh, and the offense should be ashamed. So many bad AB's this series. Eovaldi is neither the stud he was taken for after two starts nor the disappointment he is being seen as now. Guy is probably a 3/4 starter on many teams, a 5 on an elite team. But... I still have hope that that power arm plays up in short stints. Certainly no guarantee of that, but... hope. One way he differs from Kelly is his control.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 26, 2018 17:30:04 GMT -5
“It’s beginning to look like the first 130 or so games of the season were a fluke.”
-Felger and Mazz tomorrow, probably
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Post by radiohix on Aug 26, 2018 18:12:24 GMT -5
Chris Sale is throwing tomorrow per Pete Abraham. E-Rod is pitching tomorrow too which will make his next start on normal rest on the 1st of September just when rosters expand. We tend to forget how awesome he was before getting hurt: He was basicaly the team numer 2 behind Sale. I'm not worried or concerned about the direction of this team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 26, 2018 18:16:20 GMT -5
That was an ugly series.
The Sox were long overdue for a series like that. Not too surprised that it occurred in Tampa, especially with Velazquez starting the first game for the Sox and Snell starting the last game for Tampa.
It wasn't luck. They flat out got their butts kicked by Tampa. BABIP, hit sequencing, etc. - the Sox were the recipients of that on the good side plenty of times and I didn't really chalk that up to luck. Lose 9-1 and it really wasn't luck. They just didn't play well.
It happens. It stinks but it happens at some point every season and fortunately for the Sox just this one time so far. Better now than in October, but you still hate seeing them be so flat.
And unfortunately it's during a time when the Yankees are finally taking advantage of their cupcake schedule. There's a good chance the lead is back down to 5.5 games by the time the Sox face the Marlins.
And that is a pennant race and a bit of reason for concern.
I think the Sox will start to snap out of it once they play the Marlins. The key is for Mookie to get some rest and then start hitting like he has most of the season. Hopefully JDM will more than just singles, and when those things happen the offense will re-ignite. Mookie and JDM hit homers in bunches and they're approaching overdue.
The starting pitching is slumping a bit other than Price, but I think it'll pick back up. Getting E-Rod back as E-Rod and/or particularly Sale back as Sale (although I'd really hate to see that get rushed), the rotation will settle in and that will ease the burden on the pen, which hasn't been as overly effective as hoped for.
I think the Sox will ultimately be fine and get out of this funk, but I'm a believer in the law of averages and the Sox were well overdue for some lousy ballplaying. Hope they get it out of their system quickly.
I hope the Sox can take 5 of 6 to right the ship as the schedule is pretty tough for September although they do get 9 home games against the Jays, Mets, and Orioles, which they need to take full advantage of.
So if the Yanks close to within 5.5 games by Tuesday, I'll be somewhat concerned, but not overly so yet, which I think is a reasonable position to take.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 26, 2018 20:09:13 GMT -5
Its a bit surprising people aren’t worried about the Yanks wiping 4.5 games off our lead in a week. We still have a whole more week of no Erod or Sale, the yankees have an easier schedule than us, and we still have Houston, Atlanta and Cleveland plus six vs the Yankees.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 26, 2018 20:19:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty worried. Yeah, the Rays are good, but it looked like the Sox have pat themselves on the back for a division title a bit too early.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 26, 2018 20:30:00 GMT -5
Its a bit surprising people aren’t worried about the Yanks wiping 4.5 games off our lead in a week. We still have a whole more week of no Erod or Sale, the yankees have an easier schedule than us, and we still have Houston, Atlanta and Cleveland plus six vs the Yankees. The Yankees were playing the O’s. A team that would get swept by a minor league team. It would have been shocking if they didn’t sweep them. The Yankees have a west coast trip left.
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Post by station13 on Aug 26, 2018 20:53:51 GMT -5
What a lovely bullpen we got. Yep, it's pretty good! One of the 3 or 5 or 6 best in the majors, depending on how you choose to measure it. I'm not sure that passes the eye test.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 26, 2018 21:12:33 GMT -5
Its a bit surprising people aren’t worried about the Yanks wiping 4.5 games off our lead in a week. We still have a whole more week of no Erod or Sale, the yankees have an easier schedule than us, and we still have Houston, Atlanta and Cleveland plus six vs the Yankees. The Yankees were playing the O’s. A team that would get swept by a minor league team. It would have been shocking if they didn’t sweep them. The Yankees have a west coast trip left. The Yankees have six games left against Oakland and Seattle. Wouldn't be surprised if they went 3-3. Other than that they have 4 at the Stadium against TB, who as we know is tough. Wouldn't shock me to see them split that series. But other than that, they have the Red Sox, and they have more cake. They play the Twins who always lose to them, 4 against a lousy Tigers team, 3 more at home vs the Jays and another 3 at home versus the Orioles, plus an upcoming 3 game series against the White Sox. Excluding the Red Sox, I can see the Yankees going something like 17-9 which is 5-5 against the good teams and 12-4 versus the crappy teams. That puts them at 100-56 excluding those six games against the Sox. The Sox have a much tougher schedule. It starts off easier with Miami for 2 games and CWS for 4 games. But they have 3 on the road in Atlanta against a good Braves team, 3 at home versus a tough Houston team, then a reprieve with 3 at home vs Toronto and 3 at home against the Mets (hope Syndergaard or Degrom don't start), Then 6 rough games on the road which includes 3 at the Toilet against NYY and 3 at Cleveland before finishing up at home with a 3 game gift against Baltimore and 3 games against NYY which I hope are meaningless. Conservatively, I'll guess 14-10 excluding the Yankees although they certainly could do better than that and render the Yankee series at NY and Boston kind of meaningless. But at 14-10 not counting the Yankee games, that would put the Sox at 100-52, which would be 4 games better than NY not counting their head-to-head matchups. Basically the Sox would have to win 2 of the 6 Yankee games to win the division if my projections which are worth as much as your standard issue of toilet paper, are correct. My guess is that the Sox will be sweating out this division. They won't be working with a margin between 5 - 10 games and this lead might do some serious shrinking. The schedule really isn't working in the Sox favor at this point until perhaps the end - as I'd rather face Baltimore than TB. I certainly don't have the Yankee fan hubris to declare this race over. I think it'll go down to the wire and if the Sox don't play very well, they'll lose the lead. If they do play well, like around .600 ball, they'll be fine and it won't be as scary.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 26, 2018 21:18:27 GMT -5
We’re also resting a bunch of guys still.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 26, 2018 21:24:30 GMT -5
Its a bit surprising people aren’t worried about the Yanks wiping 4.5 games off our lead in a week. We still have a whole more week of no Erod or Sale, the yankees have an easier schedule than us, and we still have Houston, Atlanta and Cleveland plus six vs the Yankees. Are we supposed to take it as predictive? They've shaved off 3.5 games in the last 3 days. At this rate the Yankees will win the division by 25 games! If people aren't worried it's because they rightly realize that the Red Sox are the better team and a 6 game lead is still formidable. The good news is that the Yankees have used up much of the advantage they've had by having the easier schedule. Not counting head-to-head, of the games remaining: Red Sox have 15 remaining against crummy teams (MIA, CHW, NYM, TOR, BAL); Yankees have 16 (CHW, DET, MIN, TOR, BAL). Red Sox have 9 against good teams (ATL, HOU, CLE); Yankees have 10 against decent/good teams (OAK, SEA, TB), all on the road, including a west coast trip. EDIT: The contrast between my and redsox040713champs' interpretations of the remaining schedule is pretty funny. Strength of schedule is in the eye of the beholder, I guess!
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Post by manfred on Aug 26, 2018 21:25:24 GMT -5
The Sox have the best record in baseball, so I have a hard time feeling anything but confident in these upcoming series. Sale is throwing. ERod is throwing. Devers will be back soon. There is no ETA on Judge. Chapman is hurt.
How long can Mookie, Benny, and JDM be in a slow-down?
Bring on the fish.
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Post by prangerx on Aug 26, 2018 22:30:18 GMT -5
“It’s beginning to look like the first 130 or so games of the season were a fluke.” -Felger and Mazz tomorrow, probably Lol Its actually gonna be interesting to see what they say tommarrow. Because they have been saying the divison race is over since we swept the yankees. And have been making fun of callers who think the Sox are gonna blow the division.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 26, 2018 22:52:33 GMT -5
Wow - the MFY swept the Os of course - Baltimore is just indescribably bad - worst record in baseball.
Catch you all on Tuesday when we beat Miami!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 26, 2018 22:55:30 GMT -5
Its a bit surprising people aren’t worried about the Yanks wiping 4.5 games off our lead in a week. We still have a whole more week of no Erod or Sale, the yankees have an easier schedule than us, and we still have Houston, Atlanta and Cleveland plus six vs the Yankees. Are we supposed to take it as predictive? They've shaved off 3.5 games in the last 3 days. At this rate the Yankees will win the division by 25 games! If people aren't worried it's because they rightly realize that the Red Sox are the better team and a 6 game lead is still formidable. The good news is that the Yankees have used up much of the advantage they've had by having the easier schedule. Not counting head-to-head, of the games remaining: Red Sox have 15 remaining against crummy teams (MIA, CHW, NYM, TOR, BAL); Yankees have 16 (CHW, DET, MIN, TOR, BAL). Red Sox have 9 against good teams (ATL, HOU, CLE); Yankees have 10 against decent/good teams (OAK, SEA, TB), all on the road, including a west coast trip. EDIT: The contrast between my and redsox040713champs' interpretations of the remaining schedule is pretty funny. Strength of schedule is in the eye of the beholder, I guess! You make good points. I looked at Atlanta, Cleveland, and Houston and immediately thought 3 first place teams but you could also make the argument that non-first place teams Oakland and Seattle are better than Cleveland and Atlanta, although the Yankees are catching a break - no Manaea to deal with at Oakland and no Paxton to deal with at Seattle. Have trouble seeing Oakland's starters succeeding against the Yankees. I think Oakland's starting staff is being held together by scotch tape. That's why I picked the Yankees to split their six games on the West Coast. I was incorrect about Tampa. For some reason I thought Tampa was playing in NY, but it's the other way around. I still think they split but the Yankees could definitely trip over Tampa again and do worse and cost themselves a division in the process.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 27, 2018 6:37:40 GMT -5
We’re also resting a bunch of guys still. The series was a confluence of events. The Rays are hot, they always have good pitching, our starting staff was depleted, we were playing away, we have played at a high level for a lonnngg time and were due for a letdown physically and mentally. My guess is that we will be middling for a while as the batteries get recharged. I hope Pedro didn't stir the Yanks from their relative lethargy...but I think they will be on the upswing and the lead will further narrow. We will need to gird the loins. As an aside, I don't buy that BABIP reflects luck as much as some others might. A skilled batter who puts a good swing on a pitch he can handle finds a lot of holes. Not to 'resurrect' Williams again, but his BABIP would surely be a lot higher than Leon's.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 27, 2018 6:56:10 GMT -5
“It’s beginning to look like the first 130 or so games of the season were a fluke.” -Felger and Mazz tomorrow, probably Lol Its actually gonna be interesting to see what they say tommarrow. Because they have been saying the divison race is over since we swept the yankees. And have been making fun of callers who think the Sox are gonna blow the division. I mean, the division race is still over, so they’re not wrong there. But I’m sure they’ll do a 180 today.
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