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9/11-9/13 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by radiohix on Sept 13, 2018 11:27:50 GMT -5
This is some cool stuff you guys.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 13, 2018 12:19:09 GMT -5
My father thinks they’re going to change the one game playoff format if the Yanks win 100 games and lose to Oakland. That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 13, 2018 12:26:15 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi (or Xander Bogaerts, if you prefer AB), is the Red Sox sixth best player. How many other teams have even two players better than Benintendi? The top end of this team is absurd. I can only think of the Astros but even then the Red Sox top three is clearly better than their top 3.
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Post by orion09 on Sept 13, 2018 12:28:31 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer looks like he’ll be back for the postseason, one way or another. They said 4-6 weeks when he was hurt 4 weeks ago.
Link to story
The question now: if the Sox are fortunate enough to make it past OAK or NYY in the ALDS, who would you rather face in a 7 game series: CLE with Kluber and Bauer, or HOU with Verlander and Cole? I think I’d still take CLE. HOU’s starting pitching, patience, and success vs LHP scare me more than any other team.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Sept 13, 2018 13:10:19 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. Any playoff system is going to have to balance the conflicting interests of fairness and excitement. The bigger the advantage you give to the best, most deserving teams, the less excitement you're going to have - the Warriors win every year in the NBA, which is great because they're the best team but not great because there was never any drama. March Madness is amazing because of all the upsets, but it's a lousy system if you care about rewarding the actual best team. I think the one game playoff serves these two interests really well. It gives us two games that are guaranteed to be exciting, and makes more playoff races interesting, since teams have a huge incentive to win the division. It's also arguably fairer than the last system, both because it gives a possibly really good team a shot as the second wild-card, and because it rewards a team like the Red Sox for coming out on top of a long division fight, rather than putting them on equal footing with the Yankees. I understand that it feels wrong to judge baseball teams based on one game, but is three games really any better? Is the slight increase in fairness (to teams who didn't win their own division) worth the likely loss in excitement for fans and the lengthening of the playoff schedule? The way I look at it, this system protects the division winners, gives the wild card teams a shot at success, and guarantees that we have exciting baseball to watch, even when it's the 90 win Brewers playing the 89 win Rockies.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2018 13:43:23 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. I agree. There was nothing wrong with the old, one wildcard system. The new one just makes teams slightly more money but from a competitive perspective, it's stupid.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 13, 2018 14:04:05 GMT -5
A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. I agree. There was nothing wrong with the old, one wildcard system. The new one just makes teams slightly more money but from a competitive perspective, it's stupid. It's all about keeping teams that are 10 games below .500 still in the playoff hunt 2/3rds through the season so fans still have more than zero interest.
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Post by wildsox on Sept 13, 2018 14:11:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Lin getting a few starts at SS down the stretch to give Bogey some rest and keep him fresh for the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 14:35:17 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. Personally, I really like the new playoff system. I like it because it rewards the division winners more than the old format, and it puts the wild card teams at a disadvantage, which is how it should be. If you’re the second best team in your division, you should have to overcome more to win the World Series than the team that won the division. To me, it makes winning the division mean more.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 13, 2018 15:08:35 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. Even the chance for a wildcard should be enough. After all, for the two thirds of the 20th century only one team made the playoffs. Then, until the 1990s, the second best team in a division was left out entirely. The wildcard arguably already cheapens the 162 regular season. Would you prefer it be dropped entirely? I’m sure the wild card teams would rather have a one game playoff than nothing.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 13, 2018 15:31:57 GMT -5
A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. Any playoff system is going to have to balance the conflicting interests of fairness and excitement. The bigger the advantage you give to the best, most deserving teams, the less excitement you're going to have - the Warriors win every year in the NBA, which is great because they're the best team but not great because there was never any drama. March Madness is amazing because of all the upsets, but it's a lousy system if you care about rewarding the actual best team. I think the one game playoff serves these two interests really well. It gives us two games that are guaranteed to be exciting, and makes more playoff races interesting, since teams have a huge incentive to win the division. It's also arguably fairer than the last system, both because it gives a possibly really good team a shot as the second wild-card, and because it rewards a team like the Red Sox for coming out on top of a long division fight, rather than putting them on equal footing with the Yankees. I understand that it feels wrong to judge baseball teams based on one game, but is three games really any better? Is the slight increase in fairness (to teams who didn't win their own division) worth the likely loss in excitement for fans and the lengthening of the playoff schedule? The way I look at it, this system protects the division winners, gives the wild card teams a shot at success, and guarantees that we have exciting baseball to watch, even when it's the 90 win Brewers playing the 89 win Rockies. Solid take, and I am inclined to agree with you.
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Post by garygeigercounter on Sept 13, 2018 15:44:50 GMT -5
New York Post back page headline re: Yankees.
"UP IN CHOKE"
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2018 16:08:46 GMT -5
I agree. There was nothing wrong with the old, one wildcard system. The new one just makes teams slightly more money but from a competitive perspective, it's stupid. It's all about keeping teams that are 10 games below .500 still in the playoff hunt 2/3rds through the season so fans still have more than zero interest. Yeah I would love it if I were a fan of a team like the Pirates or Twins.
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Post by h11233 on Sept 13, 2018 16:37:14 GMT -5
A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. Personally, I really like the new playoff system. I like it because it rewards the division winners more than the old format, and it puts the wild card teams at a disadvantage, which is how it should be. If you’re the second best team in your division, you should have to overcome more to win the World Series than the team that won the division. To me, it makes winning the division mean more. I agree with you in general, in that the best teams during the season should be rewarded... except often times the division winners aren't the best teams. Look at this season: The Rays haven't been in the playoff conversation since like June, yet they might end the regular season with a better record than CLE. To make matters worse, the Rays have to play a boatload of games vs the Red Sox/Yanks while CLE is playing possibly the weakest division schedule ever. PLUS the Rays were sellers at the deadline.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2018 16:52:40 GMT -5
Personally, I really like the new playoff system. I like it because it rewards the division winners more than the old format, and it puts the wild card teams at a disadvantage, which is how it should be. If you’re the second best team in your division, you should have to overcome more to win the World Series than the team that won the division. To me, it makes winning the division mean more. I agree with you in general, in that the best teams during the season should be rewarded... except often times the division winners aren't the best teams. Look at this season: The Rays haven't been in the playoff conversation since like June, yet they might end the regular season with a better record than CLE. To make matters worse, the Rays have to play a boatload of games vs the Red Sox/Yanks while CLE is playing possibly the weakest division schedule ever. PLUS the Rays were sellers at the deadline. There is also the 2006 Cardinals who were barely over .500 (83-78) and won the World Series. The Red Sox won more games than them that year and didn't even make the playoffs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2018 17:46:11 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. It won't be long until we have a solution, expansion.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2018 18:16:59 GMT -5
A really nice inning to start for ERod. Let’s have him build momentum for October.
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Post by wildsox on Sept 13, 2018 18:28:29 GMT -5
The key for E-Rod is to mix in his pitches. I'm not sure if it's a Vazquez pitch calling issue or E-Rod shaking him off but it seems he forgets at times how good his secondary pitches can be.. especially the changeup
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 13, 2018 18:30:22 GMT -5
ERod's velocity seems a little down tonight...4-seamer more in the 91-93mph range.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2018 18:34:15 GMT -5
If any other runner is on second base, it's probably 1-0 Jays. Moralesis so slow.
Edit- 1-1
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2018 18:41:14 GMT -5
When JDM looks in the mirror, I wonder if he says, “You’re the best free agent signee ever.”
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Post by wildsox on Sept 13, 2018 18:42:28 GMT -5
Wow... That was really ugly Nunez
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 13, 2018 18:49:22 GMT -5
A really nice inning to start for ERod. Let’s have him build momentum for October. What's up brother !! I agree. Last start was a set back. The stuff is there, needs consistency.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 13, 2018 18:53:08 GMT -5
A really nice inning to start for ERod. Let’s have him build momentum for October. What's up brother !! I agree. Last start was a set back. The stuff is there, needs consistency. Would really prefer to see Leon Catching him while we try to get him on a roll.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 13, 2018 18:54:37 GMT -5
What's up brother !! I agree. Last start was a set back. The stuff is there, needs consistency. Would really prefer to see Leon Catching him while we try to get him on a roll. I just tuned in, is it Vasquez catching ? As far as Leon, you will have to put up with a guy who might currently be the worst hitter in the majors, not saying your wrong.
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