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9/11-9/13 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 12, 2018 21:18:29 GMT -5
3-0 twins! i like watching the twins catcher(astudillo) playing baseball.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 12, 2018 21:27:19 GMT -5
sanchez struck out 5 outs away.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 12, 2018 21:29:35 GMT -5
is he hitting a wall? four ugly pitches there
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 12, 2018 21:30:21 GMT -5
Yes, he hit a wall. No No gone - gotta win the game now!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 12, 2018 21:57:06 GMT -5
Da yankees lose!! Magic number 7!!
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 12, 2018 21:58:25 GMT -5
definitely a chance we celebrate our division win in the Bronx...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 12, 2018 22:50:04 GMT -5
I didn't know if I would ever see 100 in my lifetime and I'm not that old.
Credit to Dombrowski for constructing a team that has done it, even if most of the best young players on this team is the ones he inherited. This core put into place was one of the reasons why I didn't mind Dombrowski's "go for it approach."
It would have been criminal of this team to waste Mookie's and Xander's prime years imo.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 12, 2018 22:54:53 GMT -5
FWIW I really like Wheeler, too. He *does* miss bats, and he has a complete arsenal with five (count ‘em, five) pitches. The FB, SL, and CB are all plus to plus-plus (I’d call the FB a 65 or even 70, the SL/CB 55-60), and a serviceable CH (45-50) with the addition of a SF this year. When healthy, he’s been a 2. I think he could Carrasco and become a 1a or even a 1 if his health permits. Wacha has a terrific CH and a very nice cutter, but his FB is hittable and his velo is very up-and-down. I’m a big proponent of acquiring Wheeler if the price isn’t too high, and trying to extend him for 3 years. It’s the Mets, who are rife with holes, poorly managed, and who need to eke out some offense with Wright and Céspedes both a mess. Conforto, Nimmo, Thor, and deGrom represent a solid core, with Rosario showing signs of life, and Matz as a solid 3 in Wheeler’s absence. A nearly MLB-ready bat like Chavis might be pretty attractive if he were packaged with some additional talent (a guy like Shawaryn would benefit from the NL and Citi; moving Porcello might also get a return to sweeten the pot). problem with wheeler is everything comes with a "when healthy" asterisk (currently nursing another injury)...he's had just two full seasons (in 5 years) and i think is actually only 1 year younger than porcello, who at least you know will most likely give you ~30 starts and ~200 innings...that carries its own value. i would trade straight across, but only because of the contracts of each. Exactly. The certainty of Porcello in terms of innings and moderate performance is offset by high salary. The upside/downside variance of Wheeler is mitigated by a low salary and an extra year of control. I think that limits Wheeler to a back-end spot on the Sox in terms of “how do we build a championship-caliber rotation?” because he could completely bust through injury, so they’d need another 4 or 5. But he’d also offer tremendous upside and a huge salary advantage ($15M or so depending on Wheeler’s arb) plus the extra control year (cheap if he had a down year). I think the Sox can probably afford that risk given the top 3, and Wright, and the proximity of Shawaryn, as well as *maybe* Hernandez if he went on a year to start the year. The money saved could easily be used for upgrades/extensions or even a big signing (since the Hanley $ come off, Kimbrel’s might, and Sandoval’s do next year). Of course, there’s a lot to be said for performance certainty when a team is contending, and Porcello provides that. But I think Wheeler’s upside and the extra control year (meaning they can hope on Mata or Hernandez for 2020, which fits the timeframe for both) outweigh the performance certainty. But certainly, Wheeler carries some serious risk health-wise.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 12, 2018 23:04:18 GMT -5
I didn't know if I would ever see 100 in my lifetime and I'm not that old. Credit to Dombrowski for constructing a team that has done it, even if most of the best young players on this team is the ones he inherited. This core put into place was one of the reasons why I didn't mind Dombrowski's "go for it approach." It would have been criminal of this team to waste Mookie's and Xander's prime years imo. Yeah, as much as his “Trader Dave” persona drove me to the brink of insanity, he’s gotten outstanding returns for not a ton lost (pending Logan Allen) in return with his biggest deals. Price’s deal has been a bit rich, but for the most part he’s been very solid and often good. JDM was a no-brainer but DD played it just right and didn’t cave. I credit him with keeping a lot of the “right” guys that he inherited and building a very deep roster on top of that. His hiring of Cora was an absolutely fantastic move that carried a lot of risk. A few overpays and Travis Shaws aside, he’s done an excellent job, right down to this year’s draft. Kudos.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 12, 2018 23:34:57 GMT -5
Wow, what a historic night! My wife even allowed my 6 year old to stay up late and witness the game with me!
Perfect night. A crisp 1-0 game where David Price pitched a masterpiece again. Steven Wright made me very nervous in the 8th inning but he survived and Kimbrel's penchant for falling behind in counts made me nervous but he threw just enough strikes with his curveball, which he went to often, to nail down their 100th victory of the season!
Amazing and appropriate that the Sox won their 100th game on a night they had no offense whatsoever and couldn't even drive home a run as Sandy Leon failed (not that anybody is surprised) to drive in a runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs and somehow with the meat of their order up in the 8th they couldn't deliver an insurance run - in 2018 so far that hasn't really mattered much. They still find a way to win, which is the hallmark of this team, the kind of regular season Red Sox team I've never witness before in my fairly long history of watching the Red Sox.
And to top it off the Twins actually won a series with the Yankees! And on a night the Sox reach triple digits in victories, now the MFYs are double digit games behind the Red Sox and the magic number has been whittled down to 7, which gives the Sox a chance to party at Yankee Stadium the right way. My hope is the Sox win tomorrow to match the 1915 World Series Champions Red Sox' win total of 101 games, that the Sox can take 2 (or even all 3) of 3 from the Mets while the Jays take 2 of 3 from the MFYs (unlikely). I'd like to see the magic number whittled to 2 when the Sox play NY on 9/18. Want two chances to win one game. I might miss the 9/20 game or at least not have all the TV coverage I would prefer, so I really want the Sox clinched by 9/19 in a perfect world!
And why not? In 2018 the baseball world has felt just about perfect!
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Post by orion09 on Sept 12, 2018 23:41:16 GMT -5
Champs, you posted that last night was a game of 9s. 99 wins, 9 games up.
How fitting that tonight should be a night of 10s. 1-0 score, 10 games up, 100 wins.
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Post by gerry on Sept 13, 2018 2:36:18 GMT -5
Champs, you posted that last night was a game of 9s. 99 wins, 9 games up. How fitting that tonight should be a night of 10s. 1-0 score, 10 games up, 100 wins. Elevenzees anyone?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2018 5:23:27 GMT -5
I think the magic number went from 13 to 7 in 3 days too. This will be completely over by the beginning next week.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 13, 2018 6:00:39 GMT -5
Great game for Price who has pitched like a CY award finalist for months now, very happy for him and the Sox. I think he is so well respected in the clubhouse that when he pitches well he elevates the whole team. The only negative I will draw from last night is the way Wright looked. It obviously took him some time to find the plate with the knuckleball, when he did all was fine for the most part. But it concerns me with whether or not he is best suited for a late inning spot. If it takes 20 pitches to get going it will be too late in that role. Maybe he is better suited to come in for a few innings earlier in a game. He made all of us nervous last night.
100 wins!! Lots of high 5's for everyone in the organization!! And here at SP!!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2018 6:01:12 GMT -5
I think the magic number went from 13 to 7 in 3 days too. This will be completely over by the beginning next week. In addition to that, 9 with Houston clinches home field through the World Series.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2018 6:02:58 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 13, 2018 7:51:28 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi (or Xander Bogaerts, if you prefer AB), is the Red Sox sixth best player. How many other teams have even two players better than Benintendi? The top end of this team is absurd.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2018 8:25:17 GMT -5
Champs, you posted that last night was a game of 9s. 99 wins, 9 games up. How fitting that tonight should be a night of 10s. 1-0 score, 10 games up, 100 wins. You're right! I guess the one area the Sox didn't comply was the magic number. They reduced it from 9 to 7 - but we'll gladly take that!! And a win tonight would reduce it to 6!
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 13, 2018 8:29:41 GMT -5
Yankees are only 1 game up on Oakland for home field advantage for the WC game.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2018 8:29:46 GMT -5
Really, it's perspective. The Yankees are going to win 100 games, which last time I checked was an excellent year. Most years, with that figure, you win the division and toast how great you were despite injuries to key players. But when your archrival is 10 games up on you and treated you to the Fenway Fiasco, the year really rings hollow. In other words, it would have been a great year (regular season at least) for NY (in a normal year) if the Red Sox didn't ruin it by being so damn great.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 13, 2018 8:44:22 GMT -5
I didn't know if I would ever see 100 in my lifetime and I'm not that old. Credit to Dombrowski for constructing a team that has done it, even if most of the best young players on this team is the ones he inherited. This core put into place was one of the reasons why I didn't mind Dombrowski's "go for it approach." It would have been criminal of this team to waste Mookie's and Xander's prime years imo. Yeah, as much as his “Trader Dave” persona drove me to the brink of insanity, he’s gotten outstanding returns for not a ton lost (pending Logan Allen) in return with his biggest deals. Price’s deal has been a bit rich, but for the most part he’s been very solid and often good. JDM was a no-brainer but DD played it just right and didn’t cave. I credit him with keeping a lot of the “right” guys that he inherited and building a very deep roster on top of that. His hiring of Cora was an absolutely fantastic move that carried a lot of risk. A few overpays and Travis Shaws aside, he’s done an excellent job, right down to this year’s draft. Kudos. Yes. Obviously to have this kind of record tho, a lot of things have to go right beyond personnel. Cora has the 'new age'?, calm demeanor of a Stevens. Like Stevens he is perfectly young/old, intelligent, articulate, fair, listens, reasoned, intuitive, and has emotional intelligence. I can't imagine any other manager in Sox lore who could have led this team to 100 wins at this point. The team, like the Celtics, functions better than the sum of its parts.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 13, 2018 9:06:35 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox have been fortunate with performance for the most part, but they definitely haven't had a great year for health, which makes this team even more impressive. They have overcome a ton of injuries for a 100 win team.
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Post by gerry on Sept 13, 2018 10:45:37 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox have been fortunate with performance for the most part, but they definitely haven't had a great year for health, which makes this team even more impressive. They have overcome a ton of injuries for a 100 win team. The pitching has been so good despite injuries/DL stints to Sale, Price, Pom, ERod, Wright, Johnson, Barnes, Smith, Thornburg, Maddox, did I miss anyone? Plus injury issues with Vasquez, Swihart, Moreland, Hanley, Pedroia, Kinsler, Holt, Devers, Nunez, Bogaerts, Marco, I know I missed some. To your point, 100W and Division leadership with so many health problems is beyond normal.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2018 10:51:25 GMT -5
Really, it's perspective. The Yankees are going to win 100 games, which last time I checked was an excellent year. Most years, with that figure, you win the division and toast how great you were despite injuries to key players. But when your archrival is 10 games up on you and treated you to the Fenway Fiasco, the year really rings hollow. In other words, it would have been a great year (regular season at least) for NY (in a normal year) if the Red Sox didn't ruin it by being so damn great. My father thinks they’re going to change the one game playoff format if the Yanks win 100 games and lose to Oakland.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2018 11:25:19 GMT -5
Really, it's perspective. The Yankees are going to win 100 games, which last time I checked was an excellent year. Most years, with that figure, you win the division and toast how great you were despite injuries to key players. But when your archrival is 10 games up on you and treated you to the Fenway Fiasco, the year really rings hollow. In other words, it would have been a great year (regular season at least) for NY (in a normal year) if the Red Sox didn't ruin it by being so damn great. My father thinks they’re going to change the one game playoff format if the Yanks win 100 games and lose to Oakland. That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games.
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