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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 14:20:16 GMT -5
I agree on 75 but we lost Rice in that playoffs didn't we? My memory fades as I age. 1967 was very cool also. It's interesting that in both years we lost huge power hitters before the playoffs and still had solid series. The key now is we have more depth it seems and can withstand losing a bat before the WS sometimes...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2018 15:13:13 GMT -5
I agree on 75 but we lost Rice in that playoffs didn't we? My memory fades as I age. 1967 was very cool also. It's interesting that in both years we lost huge power hitters before the playoffs and still had solid series. The key now is we have more depth it seems and can withstand losing a bat before the WS sometimes... You're correct. Vern Ruhle threw a pitch that broke Jim Rice's wrist in late September. Who knows? If he had been healthy maybe the Sox win the Series that year? And in 1967 as you point out they lost Tony Conigliaro on Aug 18th. Hawk Harrelson was no Tony C that year. Going back further they lost another close World Series to the Cardinals in 1946, but what if Ted Williams hadn't been hit on the elbow in a meaningless exhibition just before the World Series started? I think they were having that exhibition to keep the players sharp as they waited for the 3 game series to conclude between the Dodgers and Cardinals who both finished the regular season tied for first. Williams hit a punchless .200 that World Series. Had he been healthy, perhaps the Sox would have won the World Series that year. I mean, imagine this: Another key loss occurs when Dom DiMaggio in the top of the 8th in Game 7 gets hurt legging out a game tying double. He's out of the game at that point. Meanwhile Williams follows him in the batting order. The Cards for whatever reason pitched to him. Either they knew he wasn't right or I guess you didn't intentionally walk batters back then, so they faced him and got him on a flyout. Perhaps a healthy Williams puts the Sox ahead. Then in the last of the 8th Enos Slaughter scores from 1st on a bloop double with two outs that CF replacement Leon Culberson lobs back to Pesky who was stunned to find out Slaughter was coming home and had no realistic chance to get him. If DiMaggio is out there, that doesn't happen. And one last understated injury that affected a World Series was the injury to the 1986 Red Sox #4 starter Tom Seaver. Seaver wasn't a star at that point, but he was a helluva lot better than walking torch Al Nipper. Perhaps Seaver pitches well in Game 4 of the World Series instead of Nipper? We'll never know. All I do know is if he came in relief during Game 7 he couldn't have done much worse than Schiraldi, Stanley, Crawford, or Sambito (no way they'd use Stewart or Lollar). Seaver versus the Mets would have been fascinating, but it never did happen, and maybe Seaver could have helped the Sox win (although they certainly had their chance without him!)
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 20, 2018 15:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by tonyc on Oct 20, 2018 15:49:40 GMT -5
1975- Given how close it was and how great Rice already was, highly likely they win if he’s not injured- his dafacto replacement was Cecile Cooper- great player later, but as Yaz replaced Rice in left, Cooper went to first and went 1 for 20. Same with Tony C in 67. 1986- Glad you brought it up about Seaver, whom wrters considered their hottest pitcher down the stretch other than Clemmens, and don’t you think that all time gamer (I was in NY for ‘69) would have come back big in his last career games against his Mets. When they finally won in 2004, it was a result of exorcising several demons- NOT having those key injuries and NOT having key miscalls go against them-.like Armbrister in 75 (I went to the bathroom and pulled the toilet right out of the ground)- I remember the umps rechecking a key play involving Jack Clark and getting it right. And NOT making the key idiotic manger mistakes- 75 pulling the red hot Wiloughby out after 1 inning, 86 not pinch hitting Baylor for Buckner against the lefty with the bases loaded and 2003 Grady Little.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 20, 2018 16:03:53 GMT -5
One thing I have to say. Cora has more than validated my belief that he should win Manager of the Year this year after what he has done in the playoffs. (yes I know it's a regular season award) There is so much more going on than just picking lineups. Every position player and pitcher spends hours every day on what their strategy is for every player they could possibly face on the other team. This was all changed since Cora got here. I bet the players are still spending hours each day prepping for both the Dodgers and Brewers. Cora has gotten the entire team on board. They want to play (and do absolutely everything else to prepare to play) for him. He seems like the biggest difference between this year's team and the team of the prior two seasons.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 20, 2018 17:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah, this one is really good. All the posters who were wondering why Mookie wasn't blasting away will want to read this one. It wasn't in the game plan, the one that helped deliver those four wins
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 17:26:43 GMT -5
One thing I have to say. Cora has more than validated my belief that he should win Manager of the Year this year after what he has done in the playoffs. It's really not even all that close. I don't know how the writers pick anyone different. It's stupid easy for them, which means he might win it lol. Then again, I thought the MVP award was a stupid easy decision for Pedro Martinez, so there's that.
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Post by trajanacc on Oct 20, 2018 18:35:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately they tend to give the award to the manager of the team that was projected as average and made the playoffs (Oakland) as opposed to the team that was already projected to make the playoffs, even though the Sox probably outperformed expectations even more than Oakland did.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2018 19:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah, this one is really good. All the posters who were wondering why Mookie wasn't blasting away will want to read this one. It wasn't in the game plan, the one that helped deliver those four wins If Mookie being unproductive at the plate is the strategy they need to change it for his at bats.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 19:47:16 GMT -5
MLB network is saying Martinez can play 1st. I'm not buying it. JBJ is on the bench and Martinez is in LF. I've got no problem though with Mookie at 2nd and JBJ staying in CF.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 20, 2018 20:08:15 GMT -5
Alex Cora when asked what he's looking for in game 7 tonight, "27 innings".
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Post by trajanacc on Oct 20, 2018 20:45:21 GMT -5
I think playing Mookie at 2nd base to get JBJ in the lineup would be a mistake.
I know JBJ has been hot, but if we can avoid the temptation of recency bias, we should know his bat isn’t significantly more valuable on average than Holt’s or Kinsler’s. Remember 10 days ago when Holt was the hot hitter who “had to be in the lineup”.
Mookie in center and Holt/Kinsler at 2nd, you’re solid to above average defensively at both positions.
Jackie in center is great, but Mookie at 2nd is a question mark imo. Obviously he’s a great athlete with history there and I have no doubt he could be a great 2B if they moved him there permanently but he has hardly any reps there. Hard to imagine he would be as dependable as Holt or Kinsler.
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Post by p23w on Oct 20, 2018 21:06:37 GMT -5
Methinks we face the Dodgers.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 22:10:21 GMT -5
Puig is quite the character isn't he.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 20, 2018 22:19:00 GMT -5
Dodgers are going to use Kershaw for the 9th. I'm liking that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 22:21:23 GMT -5
Dodgers are going to use Kershaw for the 9th. I'm liking that. Make that man work Brewers, at least.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 20, 2018 22:25:06 GMT -5
So, the "Beat LA Beat LA" chant can migrate from basketball (long ago) to baseball!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 20, 2018 22:25:42 GMT -5
So, the "Beat LA Beat LA" chant can migrate from basketball (long ago) to baseball! Magic Johnson own the Dodgers. Talk about irony here.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 20, 2018 22:28:59 GMT -5
MLB network is saying Martinez can play 1st. I'm not buying it. JBJ is on the bench and Martinez is in LF. I've got no problem though with Mookie at 2nd and JBJ staying in CF. I just posted this on another thread. I thought it ridiculous and Mohawk's reasons imo were really stupid. Glad to see someone else heard what I heard and I wasn't imagining. because it seems awfully stupid to me. Though any insight I can understand. But when Mohawk says things like JD has got experience at 1B- he played it back in 2009 -- you have to wonder what 5 year old kid is in charge of MLB NEtwork that would have hired Mohawk.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 22:39:36 GMT -5
MLB network is saying Martinez can play 1st. I'm not buying it. JBJ is on the bench and Martinez is in LF. I've got no problem though with Mookie at 2nd and JBJ staying in CF. I just posted this on another thread. I thought it ridiculous and Mohawk's reasons imo were really stupid. Glad to see someone else heard what I heard and I wasn't imagining. because it seems awfully stupid to me. Though any insight I can understand. But when Mohawk says things like JD has got experience at 1B- he played it back in 2009 -- you have to wonder what 5 year old kid is in charge of MLB NEtwork that would have hired Mohawk. He is click bait. Controversy sells. Maybe he's just crazy. Maybe he knows what he is doing. Notice how much he wanted to talk about the belly button ring also. He, as they say, "sells". He has terrific enthusiasm. It's like a network TV sitcom. They have the stupid one, the black one, the gay one, the woman, the kid, the ...etc. Ideally there is something for everyone watching in a formulaic approach to media ratings.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 20, 2018 22:43:21 GMT -5
I'd mix up the rotation for the Dodgers. Sale, Eovaldi, Price then Porcello.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 22:45:59 GMT -5
The Dodgers squeal like little girls. Listen to their champagne ceremony.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 20, 2018 22:46:55 GMT -5
Got to make Kershaw put the ball over the plate. He wasn't even close and they just start swinging. Got to stop them from hitting HR also.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2018 23:44:59 GMT -5
The one big hope that I have is that Alex Cora got a really good look at the Dodgers last year. I think Cora would also make an excellent scout. Maybe he noticed something they can use to help slow down their lineup or perhaps an approach to try to hit Kershaw?
I think it helped that Cora knew the Yankees and Astros inside out. The Dodgers must be kind of familiar to him as well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 21, 2018 0:24:02 GMT -5
I mean, Machado might have a read on the Sox pitchers and what they might try to do with him because he played in the AL East so long, but the Dodgers are just as clueless as the Sox outside of JDM facing the Dodgers last year as a Diamondback.
Both teams are going to rely on a great deal of video and scouting. Two things the Sox have been one of the best in the league at doing.
The Sox just can't get rid of facing Machado, even in the NL. He's like the Sox version of herpes. He even went away for 2 months, but he keeps coming back and facing the Sox.
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