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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2019 7:20:31 GMT -5
Some of you think I pick on Jaylen Brown and his attitude/effort level. I don’t, I like the guy but he concerns me. I think he’s a good guy and he’s incredibly intelligent. There’s just something off. I won’t speculate what it is as I’m not going to psycho analyze someone I don’t know, but there’s a lack of passion or love or interest in being part of something. He’s by far the biggest ball hog on the team. Played 30 minutes last night and no assists. Read the article below. Basically, he only passes half the time he touches the ball. That is an insanely low percentage... celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/11/jaylen-brown-is-the-celtics-player-least-likely-to-pass/So there’s that but then there is this... the Philly game, when Tatum had that epic dunk, this is a pic of the bench (zoom in), EVERYONE, is going nuts except one guy. Yup Jaylen sitting there like nothing happened. Going to have to start calling him Eeyore... I don’t, he worries me. He’s picked up his shooting but for those of you worried about team ball, he’s the worst and he has no excuse for it and worse is they it affects his defense. The guy should be a beast; I hope he sorts out whatever’s between his ears. Be upset, don’t like people.. whatever just leave it in the locker room.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 14, 2019 7:38:33 GMT -5
I'm not worried about Brown's demeanor on a dunk, but his overall game outside of his athleticism just screams meh.
Won't shed a tear if they use him for a bigger piece in the off-season.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 14, 2019 8:04:15 GMT -5
Jaylen’s been playing really good basketball for ~2 months now. I think next year, he’ll bounce back and be the player we all thought we’d see this season (assuming he isn’t traded). He’s not perfect by any means, but he’s going to be an upgrade over what Morris brings once Stevens stops screwing up the minutes.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 14, 2019 12:35:57 GMT -5
Jaylen could be dealing with something we don't know about, but he's been playing some great games lately. I don't think his lack of assists is due to a selfish mentality, it's that he's a terrible passer for his position. Once he has the ball he will either score or dump it off, neither obviously lead to any assists. I know earlier on the team played more solid with Smart and Morris, but at some point you have to assume Stevens will stop f*cking around and put Jaylen and Hayward back into the starting line-up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 14, 2019 13:26:57 GMT -5
Some of you think I pick on Jaylen Brown and his attitude/effort level. I don’t, I like the guy but he concerns me. I think he’s a good guy and he’s incredibly intelligent. There’s just something off. I won’t speculate what it is as I’m not going to psycho analyze someone I don’t know, but there’s a lack of passion or love or interest in being part of something. He’s by far the biggest ball hog on the team. Played 30 minutes last night and no assists. Read the article below. Basically, he only passes half the time he touches the ball. That is an insanely low percentage... celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/11/jaylen-brown-is-the-celtics-player-least-likely-to-pass/So there’s that but then there is this... the Philly game, when Tatum had that epic dunk, this is a pic of the bench (zoom in), EVERYONE, is going nuts except one guy. Yup Jaylen sitting there like nothing happened. Going to have to start calling him Eeyore... I don’t, he worries me. He’s picked up his shooting but for those of you worried about team ball, he’s the worst and he has no excuse for it and worse is they it affects his defense. The guy should be a beast; I hope he sorts out whatever’s between his ears. Be upset, don’t like people.. whatever just leave it in the locker room. You get Brown has a higher assist percentage than Morris right?
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 14, 2019 14:08:54 GMT -5
Yeah, Morris is a guy that doesn't even look for anyone. If he has the ball then it's his until the possession is over.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2019 15:03:26 GMT -5
Some of you think I pick on Jaylen Brown and his attitude/effort level. I don’t, I like the guy but he concerns me. I think he’s a good guy and he’s incredibly intelligent. There’s just something off. I won’t speculate what it is as I’m not going to psycho analyze someone I don’t know, but there’s a lack of passion or love or interest in being part of something. He’s by far the biggest ball hog on the team. Played 30 minutes last night and no assists. Read the article below. Basically, he only passes half the time he touches the ball. That is an insanely low percentage... celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/11/jaylen-brown-is-the-celtics-player-least-likely-to-pass/So there’s that but then there is this... the Philly game, when Tatum had that epic dunk, this is a pic of the bench (zoom in), EVERYONE, is going nuts except one guy. Yup Jaylen sitting there like nothing happened. Going to have to start calling him Eeyore... I don’t, he worries me. He’s picked up his shooting but for those of you worried about team ball, he’s the worst and he has no excuse for it and worse is they it affects his defense. The guy should be a beast; I hope he sorts out whatever’s between his ears. Be upset, don’t like people.. whatever just leave it in the locker room. You get Brown has a higher assist percentage than Morris right? Morris still passes more than him by a wide margin which was what was being said so yea.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 14, 2019 15:04:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Morris is a guy that doesn't even look for anyone. If he has the ball then it's his until the possession is over. No, the numbers say that is Jaylen Brown and by a wide margin.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 15, 2019 1:02:01 GMT -5
So this tweet followed by Danny Ainge. Tell me that this front office wants to move on from Kyrie. I dare you.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2019 5:47:43 GMT -5
You get Brown has a higher assist percentage than Morris right? Morris still passes more than him by a wide margin which was what was being said so yea. You watch the games, why is that? Couldn't be they use Morris on the top of the key to to make switches and they don't use Brown to do that. That's a crap load of passes that have nothing to do with the point your trying to make, which is team ball. Nevermind Brown likely is top in the team in things like Dunks and other scoring plays where a pass would be stupid. He's not a playmaker just like Morris, heck like I said Brown had a higher assist rate. So that kinda backs up my theory its those plays at the top of the key where they get switches no? I do like that article because given Roziers minutes it shows what I've been saying for over a year now. He makes a ton of passes, acts as a playmaker and allows guys like Brown, Morris, and Tatum to just focus on scoring. At the same time this guy writing this doesn't watch games because he's surprised by this and I don't see how you can be surprised. I see the same thing from all sports guys that don't watch a lot of Celtics games. The perfect stat to look at that kills team ball is amount of time a player has the ball per touch. The amount of time each touch per FG attempt. That shows players creating their own shots compared to getting shots within our offense. I guarantee you Brown isn't close to first on that list. Do you think Brown takes too many shots? Or too many bad shots? I certainly don't, heck I've always thought Morris takes more bad shots. It's certainly something Brown needs to work on long-term to reach his full potential. Yet at this stage I like how he's fearless, he gets a good opportunity and he takes it. He allows others to set him up, not trying to do to much. It's why we were so good in the playoffs, you had Rozier, Smart, and Horford setting up Tatum and Brown. All I want out of Irving is for him to allow other guys to get him easier shots within our offense. Rather than him doing so much creating his own shot. I also feel Morris creates his own shot more than Brown does.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2019 6:04:11 GMT -5
So this tweet followed by Danny Ainge. Tell me that this front office wants to move on from Kyrie. I dare you. Such a misleading stat because it includes our bench. You know the one that has Hayward who until recently really struggled. I'd love to know our starters ratings without Irving and not blend everything together. I have a feeling that looks a lot different. The majority of Irvings minutes are spent on the floor with our best players. Ok the team as a whole has a net rating of plus 10 in games Irving has missed this year per Basketball Refrence. I'll have to figure out the offensive and defensive rating later, but I'll guess a lower offensive rating and a higher defensive rating. I'm not even using this to say move on from Irving, just to show their numbers are crap and my point about how Irving needs to work on certain things.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 7:27:51 GMT -5
Morris still passes more than him by a wide margin which was what was being said so yea. You watch the games, why is that? Couldn't be they use Morris on the top of the key to to make switches and they don't use Brown to do that. That's a crap load of passes that have nothing to do with the point your trying to make, which is team ball. Nevermind Brown likely is top in the team in things like Dunks and other scoring plays where a pass would be stupid. He's not a playmaker just like Morris, heck like I said Brown had a higher assist rate. So that kinda backs up my theory its those plays at the top of the key where they get switches no? I do like that article because given Roziers minutes it shows what I've been saying for over a year now. He makes a ton of passes, acts as a playmaker and allows guys like Brown, Morris, and Tatum to just focus on scoring. At the same time this guy writing this doesn't watch games because he's surprised by this and I don't see how you can be surprised. I see the same thing from all sports guys that don't watch a lot of Celtics games. The perfect stat to look at that kills team ball is amount of time a player has the ball per touch. The amount of time each touch per FG attempt. That shows players creating their own shots compared to getting shots within our offense. I guarantee you Brown isn't close to first on that list. Do you think Brown takes too many shots? Or too many bad shots? I certainly don't, heck I've always thought Morris takes more bad shots. It's certainly something Brown needs to work on long-term to reach his full potential. Yet at this stage I like how he's fearless, he gets a good opportunity and he takes it. He allows others to set him up, not trying to do to much. It's why we were so good in the playoffs, you had Rozier, Smart, and Horford setting up Tatum and Brown. All I want out of Irving is for him to allow other guys to get him easier shots within our offense. Rather than him doing so much creating his own shot. I also feel Morris creates his own shot more than Brown does. You can slice it and try to explain it any way you want, but a 50% pass rate is terrible. We aren’t talking a rate in the low to mid 60s like Tatum that you can explain away. This is a low 50s rate for someone who’s not a great scorer. The fact people are bringing up Morris in this discussion about Jaylen Brown is akin to any media outlet talking about a scum bag Democrat by spinning the story to Trump instead of just focusing on the issue at hand. There’s a lot to like about Jaylens game. I do like when he’s aggressive and confident on the court but a 50% pass rate is pretty bad. I also, think you guys are letting last year creep back into your Morris memory bank. About a month ago everyone was rightfully talking about how great he’s been this year and how he hasn’t been a black hole when he gets the ball. He has a slump shooting the ball so people are down on him again and letting last year influence his memory. Hell at the end of the Philly game he had one of the plays of the game when he drove it and hit Hayward in the corner for a wide open 3. He EASILY and justifiably could have taken that shot but didn’t. Yes, it’s one play but it’s more indicative of how he’s played this year than him forcing shots like last season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2019 7:53:43 GMT -5
You watch the games, why is that? Couldn't be they use Morris on the top of the key to to make switches and they don't use Brown to do that. That's a crap load of passes that have nothing to do with the point your trying to make, which is team ball. Nevermind Brown likely is top in the team in things like Dunks and other scoring plays where a pass would be stupid. He's not a playmaker just like Morris, heck like I said Brown had a higher assist rate. So that kinda backs up my theory its those plays at the top of the key where they get switches no? I do like that article because given Roziers minutes it shows what I've been saying for over a year now. He makes a ton of passes, acts as a playmaker and allows guys like Brown, Morris, and Tatum to just focus on scoring. At the same time this guy writing this doesn't watch games because he's surprised by this and I don't see how you can be surprised. I see the same thing from all sports guys that don't watch a lot of Celtics games. The perfect stat to look at that kills team ball is amount of time a player has the ball per touch. The amount of time each touch per FG attempt. That shows players creating their own shots compared to getting shots within our offense. I guarantee you Brown isn't close to first on that list. Do you think Brown takes too many shots? Or too many bad shots? I certainly don't, heck I've always thought Morris takes more bad shots. It's certainly something Brown needs to work on long-term to reach his full potential. Yet at this stage I like how he's fearless, he gets a good opportunity and he takes it. He allows others to set him up, not trying to do to much. It's why we were so good in the playoffs, you had Rozier, Smart, and Horford setting up Tatum and Brown. All I want out of Irving is for him to allow other guys to get him easier shots within our offense. Rather than him doing so much creating his own shot. I also feel Morris creates his own shot more than Brown does. You can slice it and try to explain it any way you want, but a 50% pass rate is terrible. We aren’t talking a rate in the low to mid 60s like Tatum that you can explain away. This is a low 50s rate for someone who’s not a great scorer. The fact people are bringing up Morris in this discussion about Jaylen Brown is akin to any media outlet talking about a scum bag Democrat by spinning the story to Trump instead of just focusing on the issue at hand. There’s a lot to like about Jaylens game. I do like when he’s aggressive and confident on the court but a 50% pass rate is pretty bad. I also, think you guys are letting last year creep back into your Morris memory bank. About a month ago everyone was rightfully talking about how great he’s been this year and how he hasn’t been a black hole when he gets the ball. He has a slump shooting the ball so people are down on him again and letting last year influence his memory. Hell at the end of the Philly game he had one of the plays of the game when he drove it and hit Hayward in the corner for a wide open 3. He EASILY and justifiably could have taken that shot but didn’t. Yes, it’s one play but it’s more indicative of how he’s played this year than him forcing shots like last season. Would it really make you feel better if they used him like Morris and the numbers showed he had a higher pass rate? They are both black holes, yet I'll take Brown taking shots within the offense over Morris creating his own shot more. I don't think anyone thought Morris wasn't a blackhole, he was just making all those tough shots he takes, so you really couldn't complain. Heck we had conversations on it and we knew it wouldn't last. We've seen if before.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 15, 2019 11:56:01 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Demps out as Pelicans GM per Woj.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 12:23:40 GMT -5
You can slice it and try to explain it any way you want, but a 50% pass rate is terrible. We aren’t talking a rate in the low to mid 60s like Tatum that you can explain away. This is a low 50s rate for someone who’s not a great scorer. The fact people are bringing up Morris in this discussion about Jaylen Brown is akin to any media outlet talking about a scum bag Democrat by spinning the story to Trump instead of just focusing on the issue at hand. There’s a lot to like about Jaylens game. I do like when he’s aggressive and confident on the court but a 50% pass rate is pretty bad. I also, think you guys are letting last year creep back into your Morris memory bank. About a month ago everyone was rightfully talking about how great he’s been this year and how he hasn’t been a black hole when he gets the ball. He has a slump shooting the ball so people are down on him again and letting last year influence his memory. Hell at the end of the Philly game he had one of the plays of the game when he drove it and hit Hayward in the corner for a wide open 3. He EASILY and justifiably could have taken that shot but didn’t. Yes, it’s one play but it’s more indicative of how he’s played this year than him forcing shots like last season. Would it really make you feel better if they used him like Morris and the numbers showed he had a higher pass rate? They are both black holes, yet I'll take Brown taking shots within the offense over Morris creating his own shot more. I don't think anyone thought Morris wasn't a blackhole, he was just making all those tough shots he takes, so you really couldn't complain. Heck we had conversations on it and we knew it wouldn't last. We've seen if before. No it would make me feel better if people didn’t deflect from a discussion on one player by bringing up another. Morris is irrelevant to the discussion about Jaylen Brown not passing. Like it’s somehow better he doesn’t pass because someone else sucks at it too.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 13:33:36 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Demps out as Pelicans GM per Woj. I gotta be honest, the NBA is killing me. I almost stopped watching years ago but they took some good steps to improve their product and it’s gotten better but now these players and the constant soap opera circus has me turned off. I’m convinced until I see otherwise that Davis faked that injury last night (I didn’t even see him get hit in the angle I saw - he had no reaction and is reportedly playing in the AS Game already within 18 hours of his “injury”). So in essence the last 2 years two of the best 5 guys in the league quit in their teams to force trades off of them. You have Durant and guys signing 2 year deals with an opt out in 1 to always hold their teams hostage and keep the rumor mills swirling and tampering up the ass. I might start rooting for the Bucks. Them winning a title with a guys like Giannis and Middleton not being prima donas and letting the team build without this pressure from their stars would be refreshing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 15, 2019 14:51:44 GMT -5
I gotta be honest, the NBA is killing me. I almost stopped watching years ago but they took some good steps to improve their product and it’s gotten better but now these players and the constant soap opera circus has me turned off. I’m convinced until I see otherwise that Davis faked that injury last night (I didn’t even see him get hit in the angle I saw - he had no reaction and is reportedly playing in the AS Game already within 18 hours of his “injury”). So in essence the last 2 years two of the best 5 guys in the league quit in their teams to force trades off of them. You have Durant and guys signing 2 year deals with an opt out in 1 to always hold their teams hostage and keep the rumor mills swirling and tampering up the ass. I might start rooting for the Bucks. Them winning a title with a guys like Giannis and Middleton not being prima donas and letting the team build without this pressure from their stars would be refreshing. Not only that but players are also throwing hissy fits when they're asked about free agency, like Kyrie and Durant. They want to eat their cake and have it too.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 15, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -5
The more I read about (at least, what the C's feel) the Kyrie situation, he's likely PISSED that a good friend(Davis) and his agent started using his status to manipulate their way to LAL.
Reports are that C's are DEFINITELY pissed and absolutely feel that Paul was the source behind those "rumors".
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Post by texs31 on Feb 15, 2019 15:06:39 GMT -5
Marc Stein is reporting that Mike Zarren is quickly emerging as a potential candidate for New Orleans.
That would make for an even more interesting offseason.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 15, 2019 15:59:12 GMT -5
Marc Stein is reporting that Mike Zarren is quickly emerging as a potential candidate for New Orleans. That would make for an even more interesting offseason. I honestly feel like that would stall a potential Celtics deal unless it was over-the-top good. Based on the ownership situation, I'd pass if Zarren. He's been previously rumored for a number of other jobs that are much better than that NO situation
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Post by texs31 on Feb 15, 2019 16:25:55 GMT -5
Sounds like Mickey Loomis really has control. Ferry named interim meanwhile.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 16, 2019 11:00:20 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Demps out as Pelicans GM per Woj. I gotta be honest, the NBA is killing me. I almost stopped watching years ago but they took some good steps to improve their product and it’s gotten better but now these players and the constant soap opera circus has me turned off. I’m convinced until I see otherwise that Davis faked that injury last night (I didn’t even see him get hit in the angle I saw - he had no reaction and is reportedly playing in the AS Game already within 18 hours of his “injury”). So in essence the last 2 years two of the best 5 guys in the league quit in their teams to force trades off of them. You have Durant and guys signing 2 year deals with an opt out in 1 to always hold their teams hostage and keep the rumor mills swirling and tampering up the ass. I might start rooting for the Bucks. Them winning a title with a guys like Giannis and Middleton not being prima donas and letting the team build without this pressure from their stars would be refreshing. I’m starting to agree with this. Don’t get me wrong, I much prefer the NBA model to the NFL one (where players get screwed over 99% of the time and fans side with billionaire owners), but it’s starting to get out of hand. I’m far from a LeBron hater, but his antics the past few years have become pathetic. And it seems like a lot of the younger players are beginning to follow suit.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 16, 2019 11:16:18 GMT -5
Hahahahahahaha.
In the LEAST shocking news in the NBA, Anthony Davis now saying Boston IS on his list of teams hed sign with and that he never said they werent.
Thought it would be a bit longer before that came out TBH but there it is.
EDIT - hes actually saying there never was a list.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 16, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
Hahahahahahaha. In the LEAST shocking news in the NBA, Anthony Davis now saying Boston IS on his list of teams hed sign with and that he never said they werent. Thought it would be a bit longer before that came out TBH but there it is. EDIT - hes actually saying there never was a list. I said this from the beginning/ Celtics were on his list and then they weren’t which only made sense because LAL were his first choice and that probably could only happen if he said that about the Celtics. His comments also said he’d play for a year then see. Which is pretty obvious. People do this ALL the time with NBA rumors and never learn. It’s all bullshit. Couldn’t trade for Paul George because he was LA bound. The list goes on forever. Also, you don’t have a choice and you have to do it, but I don’t even want Kyrie here on a 2 year deal with an opt out. I don’t want to watch my team that way. Obviously, you can’t let him walk instead of signing that deal if you’re the team but as a fan I don’t know if I could enjoy the team in that situation.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 16, 2019 15:00:33 GMT -5
Why doesn't the league come down on tampering and start fining players for talking about where they might want to go or not want to go while they're under contract with a different team? F'ing do your job and play for the team paying you.
The Celtics weren't an acceptable team for Davis because he wanted to be traded at the deadline instead of waiting for the summer. It would never happen, but I'd love to see the Pelicans just refuse to trade him and make him play out his contract.
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