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Nathan Eovaldi (re-signed: 4 years/$68 million)
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2018 12:50:49 GMT -5
Houston has its own kind of weather, though, hot, humid, sticky with mosquitos the size of hornets. Houston’s a nice city, but the Gulf is a long drive and the fishing and water sports aren’t as good. Forget about mountain resorts and winter sports; and seasons. In New England his kids would go to excellent private schools, which are plentiful, and enjoy one of the most historically, culturally, intellectually, and topographically interesting regions in the Americas.
On the other hand, being away from Houston during summer and truly home there for the offseason and most of the school year might be an ideal situation. In terms of balancing lifestyles and income, this one is tricky. I am glad he is getting a choice.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 30, 2018 13:11:46 GMT -5
To each his own in terms of weather and daily life and proximity to family. We just don't know what Eovaldi really prefers. He's saying all the right things. I think the same thing about Mookie. Who really knows. My guess is the Sox have a lot more insight than we do after having discussions with his agent (at least I hope they do).
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2018 13:13:24 GMT -5
Boston has better weather than the Gulf Coast, and that's a hill I'm absolutely willing to die on. The heat of the southwest isn't for me either, but I get why people like that. But Houston? An average dew point of 72 in July and August? No. No, no, no, no. The only people who enjoy that are actually crawfish in disguise.
Is Nathan Eovaldi a crawfish in disguise? We will find out soon.
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Post by nomar on Nov 30, 2018 13:19:33 GMT -5
Boston has better weather than the Gulf Coast, and that's a hill I'm absolutely willing to die on. The heat of the southwest isn't for me either, but I get why people like that. But Houston? An average dew point of 72 in July and August? No. No, no, no, no. The only people who enjoy that are actually crawfish in disguise. Is Nathan Eovaldi a crawfish in disguise? We will find out soon. If Eovaldi is indeed a crawfish and wasn't upfront about it, I for one will be very hurt.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 30, 2018 13:21:40 GMT -5
Don't disagree with that at all, but I shockingly know people that shockingly like Houston weather. Maybe Nate's one of them. Or maybe he's a crawfish in disguise.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2018 13:24:07 GMT -5
Boston has better weather than the Gulf Coast, and that's a hill I'm absolutely willing to die on. The heat of the southwest isn't for me either, but I get why people like that. But Houston? An average dew point of 72 in July and August? No. No, no, no, no. The only people who enjoy that are actually crawfish in disguise. Is Nathan Eovaldi a crawfish in disguise? We will find out soon. If Eovaldi is indeed a crawfish and wasn't upfront about it, I for one will be very hurt. Why? As long as he can pitch I'm good. Crawfish or not, that playoff performance was on par with anyone with an endoskeleton. Would explain some of the injuries, too. Unless you have a shellfish allergy and you meant literally hurt. I guess in that case, just don't eat Nathan Eovaldi, no matter how delicious he appears. Frankly, that goes to those of you who don't have a shellfish allergy, also.
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Post by nomar on Nov 30, 2018 13:26:36 GMT -5
If Eovaldi is indeed a crawfish and wasn't upfront about it, I for one will be very hurt. Why? As long as he can pitch I'm good. Crawfish or not, that playoff performance was on par with anyone with an endoskeleton. Would explain some of the injuries, too. Unless you have a shellfish allergy and you meant literally hurt. I guess in that case, just don't eat Nathan Eovaldi, no matter how delicious he appears. Frankly, that goes to those of you who don't have a shellfish allergy, also. I was attacked by a gang of crawfish in the summer of '98. Clambakes have never been the same. So yes, I do have an allergy. An allergy to jerks
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2018 13:44:03 GMT -5
A bit more on lifestyle after a quick crawl of social sites. Not much is known. He married a beautiful girl about five years ago when he was 23, and they had a son a year later, and she is/was recently pregnant. I don’t know where she is from, but his career has kept him mobile, and they could have met anywhere, so her important input into where to live is unknowable to us.
He went straight from high school to the pros where he played and lived all over, from Signal Mntn to San Bernardino in the minors as well as Tampa, NYC and Boston in the Majors, meaning Spring Training and playing for the Rays in Central Florida for years. They may prefer Florida. Their favorite vacation spot so far in their lives together appears to be the Caribbean. Fort Myers area may be ideal for them.
He and his wife are in the enviable position of, in their 20’s, signing a contract worth a ton of money and, with pre-school kids, have many excellent choices of where and how they want to settle down. After alot of surgery and uncertainty, this opportunity must feel pretty wonderful. Good for them. Good luck to them. Good luck to DDo in welcoming them into this crazy, happy Sox family.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 30, 2018 14:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 30, 2018 15:06:34 GMT -5
Talk about going out on a limb there.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 30, 2018 16:02:21 GMT -5
I've been to Houston multiple times usually to watch the Red Sox play. The weather was not my favorite but not the worse either. As for the rest of the city its spread so far apart everything is 30 mins apart in 30 mins you can go from prov to Boston from Boston to almost NH. I'm all set with traveling 30-45 mins to get just average food, food in Houston left a lot to be desired. As well there is literally nothing to do in the city nothing special,about it. But to each their own, everyone likes different things. If family is his primary concern putting your kids in the best schools in the country would be a point of emphasis and you are not getting that in Houston. Best hospitals in the country in Boston. If offered the same money between the two teams I wouldn't see a reason to go to Houston. Better endorsement opportunities in Boston as well.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 16:31:36 GMT -5
I give it about 30 minutes until people start talking about income and property taxes.
Anyway, it's interesting to see that the Red Sox are in on this. I don't see how they would lose to be honest if they really want him unless Houston is just dumb with their offer.
Do people think that if they miss out on Eovaldi, that they'll be in the market for a similar type of starter?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 16:39:08 GMT -5
Haha well yeah now that you bring that up, its a great point. Taxachusetts vs no state income tax is a rather big deal!
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -5
Haha well yeah now that you bring that up, its a great point. Taxachusetts vs no state income tax is a rather big deal! I think for these professional athletes making many millions of dollars, egos are more important than the bottom line so I doubt that taxes are a huge factor for many of them. I doubt that with all things being equal that anyone would choose a smaller contract because of fewer taxes and a bigger net paycheck. (they might choose that because of other reasons though) It's been discussed to death by fans in every sport I'm interested in. It's up to Eovaldi to decide between several factors that are most important to him. IMO, 1,2 & 3 could go in any order. 1) Total money 2) Familiarity of Boston, his Red Sox teammates, the organization, and good vibes from last season 3) Going home to Texas 12) Taxes Another factor could possibly be Nolan Ryan who went to the same high school.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 23:05:17 GMT -5
Well lets say Houston and Boston both make the same offers, no income tax is like 5.2% more money in Texas. So it plays to your #1 thing total money.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 30, 2018 23:20:06 GMT -5
I give it about 30 minutes until people start talking about income and property taxes. Anyway, it's interesting to see that the Red Sox are in on this. I don't see how they would lose to be honest if they really want him unless Houston is just dumb with their offer. Do people think that if they miss out on Eovaldi, that they'll be in the market for a similar type of starter? Who would be similar in this market? I don’t see anyone with quite his profile and age combination but I haven’t looked at all the metrics. I actually think his stuff and pitch mox is better than Corbin’s and he’s younger. Heath with the two TJ’s would be the only concern. Cole is my best next comp, but he’s not on the market tilnext year. Unless we want to start talking about a Thor,trade but Sox would have to pull someone off the MLB roster (one of Beni or Devers)toget that done I think. I sure wouldn’t trade Beni and kt would really have to be Thor or Snell or Nola before I’d give up Devers and Feltman or whomever they’d want for a second guy.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 30, 2018 23:41:36 GMT -5
Well lets say Houston and Boston both make the same offers, no income tax is like 5.2% more money in Texas. So it plays to your #1 thing total money. I maybe lying through my teeth but I believe game checks are paid out depending on the city you are playing in. So that would make a far smaller impact due to state taxes. I know it is done in other sports so it is probably the same for the MLB. Anyone know for sure?
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Post by azblue on Dec 3, 2018 16:45:41 GMT -5
The Boston pitching coaches made adjustments to Eovaldi's delivery, and he became a beast. You cannot disregard this factor when he assesses the best place for him to sign. Can he be sure that a different coaching staff will be as alert to what needs to be fixed if he has issues in the future?
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 3, 2018 20:59:51 GMT -5
The Boston pitching coaches made adjustments to Eovaldi's delivery, and he became a beast. You cannot disregard this factor when he assesses the best place for him to sign. Can he be sure that a different coaching staff will be as alert to what needs to be fixed if he has issues in the future? Doesn't change the point your making, but Wasn't Pedro a big part of that rather than the Sox coaches??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 3, 2018 21:04:36 GMT -5
Well lets say Houston and Boston both make the same offers, no income tax is like 5.2% more money in Texas. So it plays to your #1 thing total money. I maybe lying through my teeth but I believe game checks are paid out depending on the city you are playing in. So that would make a far smaller impact due to state taxes. I know it is done in other sports so it is probably the same for the MLB. Anyone know for sure? I also believe that's true. Sports teams are taxed as entertainers.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 4, 2018 6:35:20 GMT -5
I think especially after winning a World Series when it comes to the pitching department Bannister is the man in the Sox organization. I believe Evoladi is his binky. I want him also because I said you can move Porcello he has one year 20 million left. I believe a ton of teams would get involved when the dust settles. Evoladi can do a lot and they love him.
Ever since all of this Bannister is on everyone’s list to hire. I think MLB was very impressed with the way the Sox handled there business in the playoffs especially. That run woke a lot of people up. I love to say it shut Mazz up . Now of course it’s the window is closing. To me it never closes you have to adjust. Too bad Baird Left but it’s time to move on to others. Have to keep Romero happy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2018 9:43:27 GMT -5
I think especially after winning a World Series when it comes to the pitching department Bannister is the man in the Sox organization. I believe Evoladi is his binky. I want him also because I said you can move Porcello he has one year 20 million left. I believe a ton of teams would get involved when the dust settles. Evoladi can do a lot and they love him. Ever since all of this Bannister is on everyone’s list to hire. I think MLB was very impressed with the way the Sox handled there business in the playoffs especially. That run woke a lot of people up. I love to say it shut Mazz up . Now of course it’s the window is closing. To me it never closes you have to adjust. Too bad Baird Left but it’s time to move on to others. Have to keep Romero happy. I think the value of what Porcello gives you in 2019 when you're competing for a Championship probably outweighs the return you get in a deal for him for one season. I know Johnson or Velazquez can help out, but Porcello, if nothing else, is highly reliable, and I think Johnson and Velazquez are better off as spot starters, which you will need during the season. The Sox had a huge advantage over other teams in that when their starters inevitably broke down or needed time off they had starters who were better than replacement value who could fill in. Other teams usually have a mad scramble or put in the Kyle Kendricks of the world (remember him?). Dumping Porcello moves Johnson and Velazquez up the chain and puts Shawayrn in their spot I suppose, although I'm sure he'll be needed additionally - after all the Sox did give Beeks a couple of starts last season. I get the desire to get something from Porcello since odds are he'll probably not be coming back, but the value of his 2019 presence would be huge and the Sox should really be going for it this year and capitalizing on where they are right now, so I don't think bringing back Eovaldi replaces Porcello in 2019 as much as it enhances this upcoming year's rotation. As far as Bannister goes, I'm glad he has no desire to leave. He's a huge presence in the organization. And as far as Eovaldi being Bannister's binky, I noticed Pedro took a big interest in Eovaldi as well. Eovaldi is just starting to figure it out. With his stuff, he could ascend toward the top of the rotation if he keeps on being an evolving Eovaldi.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 4, 2018 10:02:12 GMT -5
Well lets say Houston and Boston both make the same offers, no income tax is like 5.2% more money in Texas. So it plays to your #1 thing total money. The real bonus is the amount of federal disaster money thrown in to account for the fact the place is built on a swamp, at the intersection of five bayous. We can all help with that free lunch.
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Post by patford on Dec 4, 2018 10:08:54 GMT -5
Well lets say Houston and Boston both make the same offers, no income tax is like 5.2% more money in Texas. So it plays to your #1 thing total money. The real bonus is the amount of federal disaster money thrown in to account for the fact the place is built on a swamp, at the intersection of five bayous. We can all help with that free lunch. Houston is awful. It's like L.A. with really bad weather.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 4, 2018 10:58:27 GMT -5
Because 50% of games are on the road, more like 2.6% on taxes
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