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Post by redsoxjosh82 on Apr 4, 2019 18:10:11 GMT -5
Dusty can't get back soon enough.. To kick this pathetic team in the ass and so that Nunez never plays another game in a Red Sox uniform again. I live in AZ and will be at all 3 games.. I will try and do everyone a favor and Tonya Harding Nunez if I get the chance.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 4, 2019 18:14:48 GMT -5
Our team has issues. Period.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 4, 2019 18:21:59 GMT -5
One day E-Rod and JBJ will no longer frustrate us anymore because they won't be around to do it. Hey uh I know the season isn’t off to a great start, but this is insane, just fyi.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 4, 2019 18:25:36 GMT -5
If the YAnkees weren't off to a slow start with injuries (winning today), we would be in a huge hole by now. We better get in gear ASAP
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 4, 2019 18:26:12 GMT -5
I am starting to think Erod is going to be a perennial tease/ journeyman pitcher. I think he gets good coaching here, has all the tools, but the problem is between his ears. The type who dazzles every 3rd start and makes you want to pull your hair out the other two starts. For the record I am an Erod fan.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 4, 2019 18:45:03 GMT -5
I am starting to think Erod is going to be a perennial tease/ journeyman pitcher. I think he gets good coaching here, has all the tools, but the problem is between his ears. The type who dazzles every 3rd start and makes you want to pull your hair out the other two starts. For the record I am an Erod fan. Yeah the problem here is fans look at the good Eduardo stretches and think top of the rotation starter potentially. I think the realization with Sox fans need to come with is that Eduardo will probably never be anything more than a mid rotation type at best. He just doesn't have the command to be great. The talent isn't there with the command. I was hoping the new slider would get more batters to chase pitches outside the zone with Eduardo, but it's useless if Eduardo can't spot his fastball consistently game to game and season to season. I'm okay with Eduardo never being more than he is now, however. He still adds value and brings something to the table. As he gets closer to free agency, I can see the Sox dealing him. I wouldn't throw money at this guy with his durability history.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 4, 2019 18:55:59 GMT -5
I am starting to think Erod is going to be a perennial tease/ journeyman pitcher. I think he gets good coaching here, has all the tools, but the problem is between his ears. The type who dazzles every 3rd start and makes you want to pull your hair out the other two starts. For the record I am an Erod fan. Yeah the problem here is fans look at the good Eduardo stretches and think top of the rotation starter. I think the realization with Sox fans need to come with is that Eduardo will probably never be anything more than a mid rotation type at best. He just doesn't have the command to be great. The talent isn't there with the command. I was hoping the new slider would get more batters to chase pitches outside the zone with Eduardo, but it's useless if Eduardo can't spot his fastball consistently game to game and season to season. I'm okay with Eduardo never being more than he is now, however. He still adds value and brings something to the table. As he gets closer to free agency, I can see the Sox dealing him however. I wouldn't throw money at this guy with his durability history. Thanks for saving me the key strokes. I think FO was really hoping Erod would step up this year so they wouldnt have to shell out money for Porcello (they probably still wont) but I think he is what he is at this point.
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Post by art on Apr 4, 2019 19:03:42 GMT -5
I am starting to think Erod is going to be a perennial tease/ journeyman pitcher. I think he gets good coaching here, has all the tools, but the problem is between his ears. The type who dazzles every 3rd start and makes you want to pull your hair out the other two starts. For the record I am an Erod fan. Winning or losing, watching him pitch is about as fun as getting a root canal. He's in the entertainment business but watching him is not entertaining.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 4, 2019 19:33:26 GMT -5
Yeah the problem here is fans look at the good Eduardo stretches and think top of the rotation starter. I think the realization with Sox fans need to come with is that Eduardo will probably never be anything more than a mid rotation type at best. He just doesn't have the command to be great. The talent isn't there with the command. I was hoping the new slider would get more batters to chase pitches outside the zone with Eduardo, but it's useless if Eduardo can't spot his fastball consistently game to game and season to season. I'm okay with Eduardo never being more than he is now, however. He still adds value and brings something to the table. As he gets closer to free agency, I can see the Sox dealing him however. I wouldn't throw money at this guy with his durability history. Thanks for saving me the key strokes. I think FO was really hoping Erod would step up this year so they wouldnt have to shell out money for Porcello (they probably still wont) but I think he is what he is at this point. So a left-handed Clay Buchholz?
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Post by cheers on Apr 4, 2019 20:59:48 GMT -5
Thanks for saving me the key strokes. I think FO was really hoping Erod would step up this year so they wouldnt have to shell out money for Porcello (they probably still wont) but I think he is what he is at this point. So a left-handed Clay Buchholz? Pretty much. Every year, we get all excited that EdRod is going to be a #3 starter (the more hopeful of us, a #2). It never happens. I'm ready to cut bait before we pay him a bunch of money to be Clay. Happy to let him ride out his arb years - because I still have hope, but I don't see any future in this.
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Post by cheers on Apr 4, 2019 21:04:50 GMT -5
Dusty can't get back soon enough.. To kick this pathetic team in the ass and so that Nunez never plays another game in a Red Sox uniform again. I live in AZ and will be at all 3 games.. I will try and do everyone a favor and Tonya Harding Nunez if I get the chance. Let's all get off Nunez. He isn't a starting pitcher, so isn't the BIG problem so far. He is what he is, and if my memory serves me correctly, came up big in a moment that led to duck boats. Get off Tonya Harding too. I've slurped a beer in an airport bar with her, and she seemed nice enough. At least at 8:30 in the morning. Sure, she probably wasn't even flying anywhere.... Still.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2019 21:50:02 GMT -5
Dusty can't get back soon enough.. To kick this pathetic team in the ass and so that Nunez never plays another game in a Red Sox uniform again. I live in AZ and will be at all 3 games.. I will try and do everyone a favor and Tonya Harding Nunez if I get the chance. There's a sentiment of "I can't wait for Pedey to get back - tired of Nunez and Holt (more Nunez than Holt)", and I get that Nunez is lousy on defense at 2b, an impatient hitter who makes bad baserunning mistakes and Holt is 0 for the season right now. I will add that Nunez made one of the most important do or die plays last year at 3b, which was clutch, although he did have a lot of help from Pearce in that last play that gave the Sox their ALDS victory over NY. Had he botched it the way Kinsler botched the play that cost the Sox Game 3 of the World Series, who knows what could have happened. And he did have a huge pinch-hit 3 run HR that put away Game 1 and prevented me from having the heart attack of watching Craig Kimbrel try to close out a 1 run game. Plus Nunez truly was a sparkplug in 2017 when they got him. The Sox might not have won the division without him and he was healthy until September that year. As bad as he was in 2018 injuries did play a part. So while Nunez will always drive us nuts with his hacktastic ways and brutal 2b defense (he's so not a 2b), I'll wind up remembering him fondly, which is more than I can say for a lot of ex-Red Sox players. My main point that I wanted to get to is that while we all can't wait to see Pedroia, I think we could be in for a letdown if we think we're going to see the same Pedroia we all know and love. I don't know that he's going to have much more range than Nunez has. He's basically playing on 1 knee. He might not be the same hitter anymore. He might be a .265ish guy without much power who hits into a high number of GIDPs. Or he might prove all his doubters wrong and still be the laser show. Anything is possible with Pedroia, but expecting it might be too much. The one thing we know is that Holt should get plenty of time at 2b as Pedroia will definitely need his rest and hopefully we don't see much more of Nunez at 2b. He can spell Devers against a tough lefty and be a PH option against lefties as the Sox bench has more LH batters on it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2019 22:24:18 GMT -5
Two series and two horrendously played series. The Red Sox have spent the early season behind in just about every game for most of the game and twice they've had 3-0 leads disappear in an instant. Last year's Red Sox would score first and hold their leads.
The Sox are sending signals that this season won't be anything like last season - not that expecting 119 wins is reasonable.
The Sox aren't as bad as they look, although we've seen some dumb baserunning plays and some brutal defense behind some horrendous starting pitching as the starters really don't look ready.
I have to wonder if there's some sort of complacency, for lack of a better word, going on that starts at the top. The Red Sox didn't want to spend to maintain their pen. The Sox didn't want their starters to pitch much, so the Sox did not approach spring training with the urgency that they did last year, although we know winning the Grapefruit League isn't much of a prize, but there seems to be some lethargy with the way they're playing.
I think in an absolute worst case scenario for the Red Sox, perhaps Sale's velocity is down because he winds up with an injury, E-Rod doesn't turn the corner and be what we want him to be - instead he's a LH Buchholz having a down year, Porcello pitches more like 2017 than 2018, and Eovaldi is what he's always been - a decent pitcher but not the guy we saw in October. So the rotation that looks like the best in the league is only decent or average. The bullpen could eventually implode or be very short of quality depth. Maybe Pedroia isn't his old self and perhaps the Sox suffer a key injury in the lineup. That would lead to a team that wins in the high 80s/low 90s and perhaps finishes 3rd in the AL East and out of the playoffs.
That's the absolute worst case scenario and I don't think most of those things come to pass. I think enough good things happen that the Sox probably win perhaps 93 - 97 games and make the playoffs, but they're going to have to grind to get in. NY and TB will be a handful as will Oakland and Houston in the other division. The Sox could have a good season, kind of like they did in 2005, but it will pale in comparison to the year that went before it.
Hopefully the Sox take at least 2 of 3 in AZ. If they don't the thought of coming home 3-8 or 2-9 is quite embarrassing.
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Post by gerry on Apr 5, 2019 1:08:51 GMT -5
And I still see a cup much more than half full. I agree about the apparant lack of readiness, but am more upset about an opening road trip against teams which traditionally beat us, and the Sox not ready. It’s early and the contenders are all struggling, and the team problems are solvable. In Cora, Sale, Price and crew; Barnes, Brasier, Brewer and crew; Mookie, JD, XB and crew ... I trust.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 5, 2019 13:35:22 GMT -5
The Bradley and Betts misplay yesterday, to me, was a sign that complacency had kicked in. Those two not going all out for the ball is a surprise and i doubt we'll see much more of it. Cora sounded angry in his presser and you'd have to imagine the focus will be ramped up going forward.
As Cora said, last year was last year
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2019 12:01:07 GMT -5
Could the pitching staff need a little bit of Sandy Leon? With all the focus on pitching why is a catcher with one of the best if not the best catching era's in basball last year get no credit? I am sick of seeing Vazquez try to back hand pitches in the dirt!! What ever happened to him being an above average defensive catcher? The Sox have enough offense to cover for a whole and Vazquez isn't much better at the plate anyways. Frustrating start but it will turn around. Pretty sure I took some heat for bringing this thought up....
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