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4/12-4/15 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2019 13:16:25 GMT -5
we've scored 1 run on 3 hits The bullpen has given up 7 runs in 5 and 1/3 innings today. I mean, that's really not getting you anywhere. right; nothing has gone particularly well so far in our first 17 games...
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Post by manfred on Apr 15, 2019 13:17:28 GMT -5
People say bullpen sucks People say lineup sucks. People say starter sucks.
Can we agree that maybe the Sox just suck right now?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2019 13:17:59 GMT -5
Pedroia is dead weight now. You know, keeping three separate second baseman on the roster primarily for sentimental reasons may not have been the best choice in retrospect.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2019 13:22:29 GMT -5
i wish i could watch the offense break out soon so the games are a little more entertaining.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 15, 2019 13:23:54 GMT -5
It would take a long time to discuss and analyze every particular problem right now.
This team is simply underperforming in every aspect of the game. Sad.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 15, 2019 13:24:01 GMT -5
This is somewhat what i expected this team to be at this time. It is the punishment we get from winning the World Series last year. This team is not focused at all this year so far. Poor hitting, poor fielding,mistakes on the base paths, spotty pitching and all around poor baseball. There is time to turn it around, but with the Rays playing almost flawlessly right now, they better hope they have a slump somewhere along the line because they are running away right now. There is so much that needs cleaning up and Cora saying "If you thought last year was good, wait till you see this year". Well...He was right about wait till you see this year. It is totally opposite of last year. I get that there was going to be impact to the rotation. Not surprising although I didn't think they'd be this bad, but at some point - I guess what I'm saying is did the Astros play this poorly out of the gate in 2018? They won the Series the year before and they played in grueling 7 game sets against the Yankees and Dodgers and even the Red Sox almost pushed them to a 5th and deciding ALDS game. I think perhaps there was too much in the way of kid gloves or maybe they're could have been a better way to stagger the rotation's workload? But that doesn't explain the poor defense, the poor baserunning, and how unexplosive the offense has been. Last year, when they'd have an inning, they would HAVE an inning. This year they get dribs and drabs of offense, but it hasn't been the same. Mookie made that offense go and this year he has been passive and the lineup just hasn't ignited. It'll get better at some point, but you have to wonder how far they'll be buried before it does. They're already 4 games out of a wild card spot, and about 6 - 7 games out of 1st and the way they're playing - they couldn't do better than split with inferior Blue Jays and Orioles teams at home, you wonder how they'll fare against Tampa at Tampa, the one place that even the 2018 Red Sox got swept at. And I don't want to overlook the Yankees. Normally given how banged up they are, you'd think the Sox would roll in and take both games. At this point I'd settle for one (as long as they don't give away the other). Good point about the Astros. The fact that Cora tried this approach was probably not a good idea, but who really knows the best way to handle the year after winning it all. Like you, I never expected them to be THIS bad, but they are bad in all aspects of the game. that explains everything right there. Mookie walks then the DP and then JD gets a single. It isn't even watchable. Heading to NY and Tampa..good lord! crap game plain and simple.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2019 13:24:31 GMT -5
But that doesn't explain the poor defense, the poor baserunning, and how unexplosive the offense has been. Last year, when they'd have an inning, they would HAVE an inning. This year they get dribs and drabs of offense, but it hasn't been the same. Mookie made that offense go and this year he has been passive and the lineup just hasn't ignited. The thing is, if the starting pitching had performed anywhere close to its expected level, the team is probably close to .500 and no one is that stressed out about these things. True, but with them sucking it does highlight the other stuff because it gets tiresome saying that their starting pitching has sucked just about every day and you don't want to place blame entirely on the starting pitching staff - at least you know why there are mitigating circumstances with them.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2019 13:24:37 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 15, 2019 13:28:57 GMT -5
Please no more 6th starter and bullpen days Cora. At least until Feltman, Lakins, and Hernandez are up maybe. Then you can maybe get cute and pull this crap. The Thornburg, Hembree, Velazquez, and Walden crew isn't good enough to keep a really bad Baltimore team at bay.
Spring training is over. April is almost over. You're 6.5 games back of the division now. Time to take the training wheels off and stop being conservative.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 15, 2019 13:35:17 GMT -5
Last year was the theme "Do damage". this year its "here..you do damage"
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2019 13:53:59 GMT -5
The Sox pitching gives out homers like Oprah gave out cars. The 1000$ question. Does Chris Davis get his first hit or homer off our pitching? First hit: YES first home run: Yes First multi hit game:Yes GJGE
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Post by p23w on Apr 15, 2019 14:24:10 GMT -5
Brutal. And this was Baltimore at home. Surprise me guys and play with no abandon against the Yanks and Rays.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 15, 2019 14:24:28 GMT -5
Sox are currently one game worse than where they were in 2012 after 17 games.
Not saying they are that bad, but also recall almost all of us were saying back then at that point, “They aren’t this bad.”
For me, I want a repeat WS victory as much as anyone, but I always see the year after a World Series title as a mulligan year, so even though I’m annoyed, if they under achieve I can’t truly go into the anguished tearing of garments lamenting type complaining.
(like, say, how I’ve been about the UConn men’s basketball team during the last three years)
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 15, 2019 14:35:12 GMT -5
This feels like 1976, running up a steep hill all yearlong just trying to get to 500. Losing to pitchers and teams they shouldnt and generally not hitting in the clutch. Mookie I luv ya but you gotta get it together.
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Post by dd on Apr 15, 2019 14:43:30 GMT -5
Red Sox have hit 1 ball at 98 mph(Bogey) and one at 101 mph(Vasquez) after one time through the lineup. Some of the fault has to fall on the Red Sox hitters. Strailey isnt that good. And they started at 11 AM, when their bodies are not physiologically ready to play. I'm willing to wait more a little longer before bitching about it. Like another month. I'm willing to wait too (as if I have another option), but not being ready to play at 11AM ... they're big boys! :-)
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Post by Guidas on Apr 15, 2019 14:47:06 GMT -5
And they started at 11 AM, when their bodies are not physiologically ready to play. I'm willing to wait more a little longer before bitching about it. Like another month. I'm willing to wait too (as if I have another option), but not being ready to play at 11AM ... they're big boys! :-) Baltimore was sure ready at the same time.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 15, 2019 14:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 15, 2019 15:00:15 GMT -5
We've seen first to worst before. I suspect worst to first is more common than first to first (a repeat) - we are seeing - and guessing - some reasons as to why that is. Baseball is part mental, and I think that their heads are simply lost right now - from adoration to having to go through the grueling routine again - it is just not being handled well.
At this point in time, the team is virtually unwatchable.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2019 15:23:15 GMT -5
This feels like 1976, running up a steep hill all yearlong just trying to get to 500. Losing to pitchers and teams they shouldnt and generally not hitting in the clutch. Mookie I luv ya but you gotta get it together. I've had that in mind, too. You take a team that just barely missed winning the World Series, that had a bunch of young 20 something year olds in the lineup with their best years ahead of them fronted by a staff that added HOFer in his prime Fergie Jenkins to Luis Tiant, Rick Wise coming off a 19 win season, and Bill Lee, coming off his 3rd 17 win season, with guys like Reggie Cleveland and Roger Moret lending depth to a pen that had Jim Willoughy coming off a good season and Tom House and Tom Murphy added (to replace Dick Drago), you'd think that this team was destined to kick butt in 1976, but after they got off to a reasonably good 6-5 start, they went on an unimaginable 10 game losing streak and basically buried themselves, got their manager fired, and struggled to get above .500, which they did when they were 83-79, but by then they were long, long buried behind the Yankees. But when that season began, who could have imagined the Sox would struggle so badly? This team is 6-11, which is better than 6-15, and it's better than the 3-15 1996 Red Sox who won 85 games, but they have to get it together soon or else they'll have to go one of those other worldly streaks like the Morgan Magic Sox to get back in the thick of the division race because if they struggle in NY and particularly in Tampa, you don't want to be down 8 or 9 games even in April.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2019 15:50:06 GMT -5
I get that there was going to be impact to the rotation. Not surprising although I didn't think they'd be this bad, but at some point - I guess what I'm saying is did the Astros play this poorly out of the gate in 2018? They won the Series the year before and they played in grueling 7 game sets against the Yankees and Dodgers and even the Red Sox almost pushed them to a 5th and deciding ALDS game. I think perhaps there was too much in the way of kid gloves or maybe they're could have been a better way to stagger the rotation's workload? But that doesn't explain the poor defense, the poor baserunning, and how unexplosive the offense has been. Last year, when they'd have an inning, they would HAVE an inning. This year they get dribs and drabs of offense, but it hasn't been the same. Mookie made that offense go and this year he has been passive and the lineup just hasn't ignited. It'll get better at some point, but you have to wonder how far they'll be buried before it does. They're already 4 games out of a wild card spot, and about 6 - 7 games out of 1st and the way they're playing - they couldn't do better than split with inferior Blue Jays and Orioles teams at home, you wonder how they'll fare against Tampa at Tampa, the one place that even the 2018 Red Sox got swept at. And I don't want to overlook the Yankees. Normally given how banged up they are, you'd think the Sox would roll in and take both games. At this point I'd settle for one (as long as they don't give away the other). Good point about the Astros. The fact that Cora tried this approach was probably not a good idea, but who really knows the best way to handle the year after winning it all. Like you, I never expected them to be THIS bad, but they are bad in all aspects of the game. that explains everything right there. Mookie walks then the DP and then JD gets a single. It isn't even watchable. Heading to NY and Tampa..good lord! crap game plain and simple. The only slow start excuse is with the starting pitchers. If they miscalculated that then fine, but the teams mentality is bogus. Our manager never left 2018 so why would the team? Besides the fact he’s amazing, it’s no coincidence that JD Martinez and his professional focused approach has been top notch. Also, regarding the starters why are they messing with their pitch mixes that worked so well last year?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2019 15:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 15, 2019 16:10:20 GMT -5
Well.....another loss that doesn't leave a good feeling. Still 146 games. It won't be like last year......could it really ever be again....but our guys are going to find their stride. No use looking at the standings at this point, too many unknowns. Patriots Day....remember why it is. Men fought for their right to self-determination. In here....men fight about Christian Vasquez....starting lineups......Cora......when there is a losing streak, you name it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 15, 2019 16:27:32 GMT -5
It's basically what I said before the Baltimore series. At least the players know it and are acknowledging it.
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Post by kenster on Apr 15, 2019 18:31:30 GMT -5
Last year Cora set the tone for the team. Hungry and humble. This year Cora set the tone for the team. Complacent and arrogant.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 15, 2019 19:07:24 GMT -5
It got a little sensitive in here today, fellas. We got a split. Best series yet. Cheer up.
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