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6/17-6/19 Red Sox @ Twins Series Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2019 21:52:43 GMT -5
Every relief pitcher needs to know that they can't give up a 2 run homer with the bases empty. Don't walk people.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 17, 2019 21:53:26 GMT -5
Welcome Back Good Ryan Brasier!! we missed u buddy
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Post by cutz on Jun 17, 2019 21:53:53 GMT -5
Good win!!
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2019 21:53:56 GMT -5
YES! Great freaking game!
Let's hear about the math of the Red Sox now.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 17, 2019 21:53:57 GMT -5
Nice pitching by Brasier. Nice pitching all around.
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Post by nomar on Jun 17, 2019 21:53:58 GMT -5
Big big win
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Post by Guidas on Jun 17, 2019 21:54:01 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 17, 2019 21:54:14 GMT -5
YES !! Porcello and the bullpen !! 6 in a row. Night Fellas !!
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Post by dd on Jun 17, 2019 21:54:17 GMT -5
That's what I call a Nice Win.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 17, 2019 21:54:30 GMT -5
We seem to have 2018 Brasier back - body double? That would be great news indeed
40 wins, 6 over .500,. That's progress
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 17, 2019 21:54:58 GMT -5
awesome win. pulled it out and got rest for all the big boys in the pen who needed it...great job ricky especially
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Post by telson13 on Jun 17, 2019 21:55:52 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2019 21:57:48 GMT -5
6 in a row, 4 games back of Tampa, 5.5 games back of the Yankees. I'm not giving up the division for another 3 months.
Yankees still have played 17 fewer games vs. teams with a > .500 record than the Red Sox have.
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Post by manfred on Jun 17, 2019 22:01:41 GMT -5
Bogey is MVP, but I give Chavis credit, too. His promotion helped jumpstart the team, and I love that even as he’s come back to Earth, he’s still able to grind out hits, play solid defense, etc.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 17, 2019 22:06:02 GMT -5
Bogey is MVP, but I give Chavis credit, too. His promotion helped jumpstart the team, and I love that even as he’s come back to Earth, he’s still able to grind out hits, play solid defense, etc. Chavis has been incredible. He's far from a finished product, but he looks like a major leaguer. He belongs.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 17, 2019 22:07:05 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization? That 9th-inning double was just damn perfect baseball. Up 1-0, runner on 2nd, two outs, 0-2 count, and just go with the pitch to the opposite field with an easy looking double to the gap. Just situationally perfect and professional, like some sort of anti-Nunez. Very 2018 energy all around these last couple of days!
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Post by telson13 on Jun 17, 2019 22:08:22 GMT -5
Brasier 96-97.5 instead of the high-94 to 96 he was at earlier in the season. Along with Workman and Brewer, and Walden to a lesser extent, we’re seeing some nice velo increases in the bullpen. Here’s hoping Hembree comes back soon and keeps doing what he has been. And Barnes seems to have had (and gotten over?) his yearly blip. This bullpen is rounding into shape pretty nicely. Walden and Workman haven’t backslid really, and the starters are coming around too, save Price’s rough start. But overall, you’ve gotta feel good about this most recent run, particularly shutting out the league’s best offense and beating their best pitcher with a couple timely knocks. And honestly, the offense is far from clicking on all cylinders. But they’re picking eachother up, and that’s a REAL good sign. Division’s still in play. I’d love to see them prove my 88 wins from a couple weeks back a *gross underestimate.*
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Post by telson13 on Jun 17, 2019 22:15:08 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization? That 9th-inning double was just damn perfect baseball. Up 1-0, runner on 2nd, two outs, 0-2 count, and just go with the pitch to the opposite field with an easy looking double to the gap. Just situationally perfect and professional, like some sort of anti-Nunez. Very 2018 energy all around these last couple of days! When he was down 0-2, I thought to myself, “time to drop on into the LCF seats.” Not quite that outcome, but maybe even better given his approach. And the funny thing is, he’s the one guy on the team this year where I genuinely feel like he’ll do it. He’s just gotten SO good as a *hitter*, not trying to do too much, waiting for his pitch and going with it. I’m really happy for him...it’s all coming together. There’s a bunch of guys (including Mookie obviously) I’d like to see be Sox lifers, but Bogey will always have a special place for me. He’s worked SO hard and come through so much, it’s a privilege to see that particular cathedral being built.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 17, 2019 22:21:11 GMT -5
Big, big win. It'll be a lot more comforting if they can win at least 1 more this series. Berrios vs Porcello is a tough, tough matchup.
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Post by cheers on Jun 17, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5
Ahhh. This is the nicest gameday board in recent memory. I really prefer this version, win or lose. Win is way better though.
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Post by geostorm on Jun 17, 2019 22:36:25 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization?... ...as I read that sentence, I was thinking ahead anticipating "region", and "Patrice Bergeron" had already popped into my head, before seeing "organization", at the "turn" of that last sentence! I mean that as a compliment, as I love both these players' games, and hope they both end up career "Boston" athletes...
...limiting to "Red Sox"...what would you think of my offering up "JD", looking back again, quickly at that last sentence?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 17, 2019 23:02:33 GMT -5
We may have misunderstood Bogaerts' approach to his career. The year he hit .320, I think it was his second full season, he may simply have dedicated to figuring out how to deal outside stuff to the opposite field. The next two years, he seems to have worked hard to integrate that skill and his uppetcut bombs into a full package. He's there, just a fantastic hitter and someone who's feared by the opposition - the OBP just keeps climbing and that's testimony.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 17, 2019 23:04:02 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization?... ...as I read that sentence, I was thinking ahead anticipating "region", and "Patrice Bergeron" had already popped into my head, before seeing "organization", at the "turn" of that last sentence! I mean that as a compliment, as I love both these players' games, and hope they both end up career "Boston" athletes...
...limiting to "Red Sox"...what would you think of my offering up "JD", looking back again, quickly at that last sentence?
Both JDM and Devers have been very good; I considered mentioning them along with Mookie, simply on history. But for me this year, Bogey is really the only guy I really *trust* right now; totally non-scientifically, of course. Just that his dependability this year has reached a point of excellence. He’s not flashy, but hell if he ain’t putting up flashy stats. Lol, his baseballsavant page says it all: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/xander-bogaerts-593428?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb . He’s not top of the charts in anything, but he’s comfortably above-average in everything. And when you look at things like walk or barrel rate, it’s easy to see his evolution. It’s almost extraordinary...he’s had seasons where he’s perfected individual skills, but now he’s coalescing them all, becoming greater than the sum of the parts. Im only a casual B’s fan, but i agree that Bergeron is a terrific comp. My favorite aspect of Bogey’s deal is that he quite obviously wanted to stay in Boston, and made it happen. I have a lot of respect for that.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 17, 2019 23:34:51 GMT -5
Also, Bogey is the MVP of this team so far this season. He’s been incredibly steady, played good d, and come up big in a number of spots. He has a great chance at 30 HR and a reasonable one at 50 doubles, and looks like he’ll break the .300/.400/.500 barriers. He’s not amazing in one area, but he has basically no weaknesses now. He’s pretty quick, runs the bases well, makes all the routine plays and occasionally some tough ones, and he works hard and gets along with people. His blossoming into superstar territory is something we’ve all hoped for and watched occur incrementally with time. And now he’s a Sox for what should be the best six years of his career, at a more than reasonable cost. What a terrific story. Here’s hoping he gets silly hot for a long stretch and challenges Trout. Maybe unlikely, but he’s at 7-WAR pace and I’d love to see him hit 8. He’s easy to forget about because he’s so understated and workmanlike, but has there been a more quietly likable star in this organization?... ...as I read that sentence, I was thinking ahead anticipating "region", and "Patrice Bergeron" had already popped into my head, before seeing "organization", at the "turn" of that last sentence! I mean that as a compliment, as I love both these players' games, and hope they both end up career "Boston" athletes...
...limiting to "Red Sox"...what would you think of my offering up "JD", looking back again, quickly at that last sentence?
Ah, I reread that and realized I’d misinterpreted you. Yeah, I could probably put “homegrown” as a qualifier, because Martinez has been everything advertised and much more. Consummate professional. Amazing teacher. Fantastic mentor. I guess with Bogey (and Norm alluded to this and I think we’ve all sorta discussed it in a roundabout fashion over the years) it’s that there was no light switch, no flick on...he’s come by his excellence through trial and error and unshakable commitment. Lots and LOTS of baby steps. I guess what separates him from JDM, who has been absolutely terrific on and off the field, and in the clubhouse, is that we’ve watched the struggle, the epic drama that has been X’s career. We’ve seen him, piecemeal, take on a specific challenge and work until he masters it, then move on to the next. What’s really impressive to me is that Bogey’s offensive blossoming hasn’t been about launch angle, or a swing change, or getting stronger and jumping his EVs...it’s been pitch selection and knowing what to do with the ones he gets. We’ve gotten to see an incredibly impressive *creation* of a hitter, culminating in the most fundamental but often most difficult hitting skill to master: selective aggression. He’s become a very cerebral hitter, and i think there’s plenty more evolution to go. This year, it’s his walk rate, as pitchers more and more are avoiding the zone, because they know he’ll GET his pitch. He’s always been a pretty good contact hitter, but he made (sometimes a lot of) bad contact. Not anymore. Remember the SL away? It was his kryptonite. And he’s still not good low-and-away...but he doesn’t chase there anymore. He drives stuff high and away for oppo- doubles, and crushes low over/in. His selectivity is just truly a leap ahead, starting last year but accelerating this one. And my guess is that the next thing we see is his contact rates improve a bit and the barrels climb a little more, and the BABIPs (he’s .332 lifetime!) climb a little more, into the .340-.360 range. Tbh, i think he might very well become a BB>K guy for a few years, stepping into elite territory as a hitter for a little while until age starts creeping in. But hell, he’s only 26 (?!) And when I think about THAT, I realize what a gem we have in Devers, too. I really believe that Bogey, maybe only for a few years, but still...becomes the hitter we all dreamed he might as the #2 prospect in baseball. Those silly, “yeah, right,” “it’s unfair to expect that,” type guy, .330/35/130, 1.000 OPS; all we’ve ever seen is his “practice” seasons, like as Norm mentioned the .320 all-oppo. Now that it’s coming together...what will his *career* season look like? And will he have more than one? The signs point to him just getting started.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 17, 2019 23:53:19 GMT -5
That was a nice tidy victory. That was probably one of the highest quality of victories the Sox had this year. They played a clean game with strong defense and pitching.
Porcello, when his pitches are working, can really roll through a lineup and they were able to get the six outs they needed without having to lean on their main guys. Brewer got out of his jam and Brasier had a clean 9th. That was definitely one of their best, if not their best, wins of the year.
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