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6/24-6/26 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 25, 2019 21:19:20 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 25, 2019 21:20:20 GMT -5
should have kept Barnes out of games a few more days and see if hes just having a bit of a deadarm edit: good inning after the walk, but still don't like how he looks to be falling off the mound a lot now Matt was helped by the umpire's ridiculous strike zone tonight, combined with some ChiSox hitters that fell for the yakker repeatedly.
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Post by station13 on Jun 25, 2019 21:20:34 GMT -5
can't stop the machine.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 25, 2019 21:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by atzar on Jun 25, 2019 21:34:39 GMT -5
That leaves a lot of parks. Rocket.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 25, 2019 21:41:18 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles Literally unpitchable unless you can get him to chase, and when he figures that out, he's Barry Bonds good.
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Post by patford on Jun 25, 2019 22:08:11 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles Literally unpitchable unless you can get him to chase, and when he figures that out, he's Barry Bonds good. And it's more like he expands his zone at times rather than chasing. I think there is a distinction. Chasing (as I see it) is getting fooled. Expanding the zone with Devers seems to come when he isn't getting much to hit and is trying to make something happen. Anyhow, he's scary good and has to be in the conversation for the best hitter in MLB.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 25, 2019 22:12:55 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 25, 2019 22:14:29 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles Literally unpitchable unless you can get him to chase, and when he figures that out, he's Barry Bonds good. Barry Bonds was the best hitter in the history of MLB. There's a 1 percent chance he becomes Barry Bonds.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 25, 2019 22:15:39 GMT -5
Awesome win. 15 strikeouts to one walk against a bad team. Take it where you can get it, no doubt.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2019 3:52:23 GMT -5
Wishing for daylight against the Yankees in the AL East, but the MFY just keep trucking. Yesterday they became the first team in MLB history to hit a homerun in 28 games in a row. They hit 4 yesterday. It's insane.
They're just as good as the 2018 Boston Red Sox. I hope it doesn't play out that way in the playoffs certainly.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 26, 2019 5:59:19 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles He not being an all star finalist is quite the snub.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 26, 2019 8:44:35 GMT -5
Boston fans clearly dont show out to the all star ballots. Been that way for a while now.
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Post by KB24 on Jun 26, 2019 9:13:41 GMT -5
So Benintendi is out out the lineup again today. Dealing with some sort of injury we don't know about?
EDIT: Cora saying Beni is "banged up". Let's hope the rest from now until the London series has him ready for the start of those games.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 26, 2019 9:28:41 GMT -5
Like the results, but not a fan of how the Red Sox have been disposing of this team, but a win is a win whether you win 20-1 or blow leads, but ultimately come back. We'll have to see how they perform in London to get a better gauge if this team really has the feeling of being back. They're rifling through some garbage right now, should have beaten Toronto and had a very good series win against the Twins. Really wish we were getting a 3-game set instead of 2 coming up.
No reason why they can't complete the sweep today with Sale vs Lopez.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 26, 2019 9:43:55 GMT -5
Really interesting piece in the Athletic today looking at the Red Sox current problems. One of the most glaring differences is first-inning performance, as we all know. And recall that if a team is ahead after the first inning wins 70% of those games Here is an excerpt: Only Martinez has a first-inning OPS better than .600. Bogaerts has been one of the best all-around hitters in the American League, but he is just 3-for-31 in the first inning. Betts has hit 17 doubles this year, but none have come in the first inning. Moreland, Devers and Bogaerts have combined for 39 home runs, but they’ve collectively hit just two in the first inning.
That’s how the Red Sox have sputtered out of the gate. But why they’ve sputtered is difficult to say. A nearly identical group of hitters ranked fourth in the American League in first-inning runs last year. They rank 13th this year.
And check out the overall offensive numbers. This is the team slash line for 2018 and the first 80 games of 2019:
2018: .268/.339/.453 2019: .264/.341/.448
The result is a team OPS that’s only two points lower this season. The offense as a whole is performing much the same as it was during that historic 2018. Now, compare the numbers with runners in scoring position:
2018: .289/.379/.493 2019: .268/.364/.424
That’s an 85-point drop in OPS with runners in scoring position from a team that has otherwise shown little offensive drop-off. He also notes that the only player on the team with a first inning OPS over .600 is JD Martinez. As for fixes suggested not rocket science, they need a couple pitchers, according to the piece. Here's the link: theathletic.com/1047493/2019/06/26/red-sox-at-the-midseason-mark-a-prescription-for-turning-the-season-around/?source=dailyemail
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 26, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jun 26, 2019 10:01:09 GMT -5
Like the results, but not a fan of how the Red Sox have been disposing of this team, but a win is a win whether you win 20-1 or blow leads, but ultimately come back. We'll have to see how they perform in London to get a better gauge if this team really has the feeling of being back. They're rifling through some garbage right now, should have beaten Toronto and had a very good series win against the Twins. Really wish we were getting a 3-game set instead of 2 coming up. No reason why they can't complete the sweep today with Sale vs Lopez. They've played at a 99-win pace since April 18th. That's 62 games. Exactly how long do they have to play at this level before you decide they're a decent team?
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Post by incandenza on Jun 26, 2019 10:07:42 GMT -5
Really interesting piece in the Athletic today looking at the Red Sox current problems. One of the most glaring differences is first-inning performance, as we all know. And recall that if a team is ahead after the first inning wins 70% of those games Here is an excerpt: Only Martinez has a first-inning OPS better than .600. Bogaerts has been one of the best all-around hitters in the American League, but he is just 3-for-31 in the first inning. Betts has hit 17 doubles this year, but none have come in the first inning. Moreland, Devers and Bogaerts have combined for 39 home runs, but they’ve collectively hit just two in the first inning.
That’s how the Red Sox have sputtered out of the gate. But why they’ve sputtered is difficult to say. A nearly identical group of hitters ranked fourth in the American League in first-inning runs last year. They rank 13th this year.
And check out the overall offensive numbers. This is the team slash line for 2018 and the first 80 games of 2019:
2018: .268/.339/.453 2019: .264/.341/.448
The result is a team OPS that’s only two points lower this season. The offense as a whole is performing much the same as it was during that historic 2018. Now, compare the numbers with runners in scoring position:
2018: .289/.379/.493 2019: .268/.364/.424
That’s an 85-point drop in OPS with runners in scoring position from a team that has otherwise shown little offensive drop-off. He also notes that the only player on the team with a first inning OPS over .600 is JD Martinez. As for fixes suggested not rocket science, they need a couple pitchers, according to the piece. Here's the link: theathletic.com/1047493/2019/06/26/red-sox-at-the-midseason-mark-a-prescription-for-turning-the-season-around/?source=dailyemailThe thing is, there's no real reason I can imagine for why they'd be so much worst in the first inning. There's Benintendi maybe being uncomfortable leading off, and then there's regression from Betts. Beyond those two factors I think it's probably just a statistical fluke. Also if they're worse than last season in the first inning but basically the same overall, that means they must be better than last season from the 2nd inning on. So maybe it all just evens out in the end. ADD: Though league-wide offense is up, so hitting "the same" as last year is not exactly the same. Their wRC+ is down from 110 to 104.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 26, 2019 10:13:59 GMT -5
Like the results, but not a fan of how the Red Sox have been disposing of this team, but a win is a win whether you win 20-1 or blow leads, but ultimately come back. We'll have to see how they perform in London to get a better gauge if this team really has the feeling of being back. They're rifling through some garbage right now, should have beaten Toronto and had a very good series win against the Twins. Really wish we were getting a 3-game set instead of 2 coming up. No reason why they can't complete the sweep today with Sale vs Lopez. They've played at a 99-win pace since April 18th. That's 62 games. Exactly how long do they have to play at this level before you decide they're a decent team? I'm not convinced if they played the Astros, Yankees, Dodgers, Twins (who they just beat which is why I'm starting to get the warm fuzzies) over these past two games, they'd pull out wins. I don't knock them, at all, for losing against Toronto. It happens. But literally, sub-.500 bad teams will find ways to lose games. Just by nature of who they are means they'll most likely lose to whomever they face. They're bad for a reason. For example, the Rangers disposed of the Tigers last night. The Yankees took care of the Blue Jays. The Red Sox beat the White Sox. The Athletics beat the Cardinals (who aren't terrible, but not great). The Indians lost to KC, but that's because Brad Hand just absolutely imploded on the mound. That's also not to say that the Yankees couldn't lose to Toronto or that the Rangers couldn't lose to the Tigers. It's just on a night-in, night-out that bad teams are likely to lose to good teams on a regular basis. That's why they're under .500. Now, sweeping away bad teams on a consistent basis is doing wonders for them in catching up and there's really nothing to complain about when they're getting the job done, even despite the lack of competition. Also, they're hot right now. Baseball is like basketball in that it's a game of runs. In baseball, teams will get hot and cool down, it's just the nature of the beast. At some point, the Red Sox aren't going to continue winning at a 99-win clip. It's just not going to happen. You also can't excuse what they did at the beginning of the season either. Those games counted. If they can climb out of the hole they dug themselves and maintain, great. At some point they will slow down again and hopefully it's not the ice cold crap fest that we saw in April and May.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 26, 2019 10:27:14 GMT -5
Also, they're hot right now. Baseball is like basketball in that it's a game of runs. In baseball, teams will get hot and cool down, it's just the nature of the beast. At some point, the Red Sox aren't going to continue winning at a 99-win clip. It's just not going to happen. You also can't excuse what they did at the beginning of the season either. Those games counted. If they can climb out of the hole they dug themselves and maintain, great. At some point they will slow down again and hopefully it's not the ice cold crap fest that we saw in April and May. Yeah I can't think of any precedent for something like that happening.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 26, 2019 10:33:11 GMT -5
Also, they're hot right now. Baseball is like basketball in that it's a game of runs. In baseball, teams will get hot and cool down, it's just the nature of the beast. At some point, the Red Sox aren't going to continue winning at a 99-win clip. It's just not going to happen. You also can't excuse what they did at the beginning of the season either. Those games counted. If they can climb out of the hole they dug themselves and maintain, great. At some point they will slow down again and hopefully it's not the ice cold crap fest that we saw in April and May. Yeah I can't think of any precedent for something like that happening. Besides last year, when was the last time the Red Sox won 100-games? Maybe they can finish with a 99-win clip for the remainder of the season. I just suspect they'll get cold again at some point. Likely when they have a 14-game streak of Tampa and NY.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 26, 2019 10:35:51 GMT -5
They've played at a 99-win pace since April 18th. That's 62 games. Exactly how long do they have to play at this level before you decide they're a decent team? I'm not convinced if they played the Astros, Yankees, Dodgers, Twins (who they just beat which is why I'm starting to get the warm fuzzies) over these past two games, they'd pull out wins. I don't knock them, at all, for losing against Toronto. It happens. But literally, sub-.500 bad teams will find ways to lose games. Just by nature of who they are means they'll most likely lose to whomever they face. They're bad for a reason. For example, the Rangers disposed of the Tigers last night. The Yankees took care of the Blue Jays. The Red Sox beat the White Sox. The Athletics beat the Cardinals (who aren't terrible, but not great). The Indians lost to KC, but that's because Brad Hand just absolutely imploded on the mound. That's also not to say that the Yankees couldn't lose to Toronto or that the Rangers couldn't lose to the Tigers. It's just on a night-in, night-out that bad teams are likely to lose to good teams on a regular basis. That's why they're under .500. Now, sweeping away bad teams on a consistent basis is doing wonders for them in catching up and there's really nothing to complain about when they're getting the job done, even despite the lack of competition. Also, they're hot right now. Baseball is like basketball in that it's a game of runs. In baseball, teams will get hot and cool down, it's just the nature of the beast. At some point, the Red Sox aren't going to continue winning at a 99-win clip. It's just not going to happen. You also can't excuse what they did at the beginning of the season either. Those games counted. If they can climb out of the hole they dug themselves and maintain, great. At some point they will slow down again and hopefully it's not the ice cold crap fest that we saw in April and May. Anyone who was paying attention knows that they really were not the same team at the beginning of the season, especially in terms of the starting pitching. I think it's fair to throw out that bad start in terms of predicting how they'ill do going forward. (I could actually make them look even better by pointing to their record since April 29th, the day that kjkramer officially surrendered for the season; they're 33-20 since then, a 101-win pace. But that would be a little cherry-pickish.) Of course, the games at the beginning of the season count in the standings, which is why they're 8 games out of first place and only project to get to 93 or 94 wins even if they play at a 99-win rate the rest of the way. The whole "only games against the best teams reveal the true soul of the team" argument has been had already, so I'll leave that alone. I'll just re-iterate that I think any team playing at a 99-win pace is a team that is playing well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2019 10:42:39 GMT -5
Devers has hard hits to left field, right field, and cf tonight. awesome hitter... 4-4 3 doubles He not being an all star finalist is quite the snub. Yeah, I feel bad for Bogaerts too, but at least SS in the AL is kind of loaded this year. Urshela and Dozier over Devers is... rough.
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Post by atzar on Jun 26, 2019 10:53:22 GMT -5
It's gotten to the point that I legitimately can't tell if people are joking about Devers.
I feel bad for taking this stance, because I love the kid and I'm thrilled with his progress. But the hyperbole has gotten silly. Best hitter in the MLB? He's not the best hitter on his own team... he's not even in the conversation league-wide. Barry Bonds? Come on.
Have I just missed the boat on an inside joke here? Because if I haven't, then the hype has lost contact with reality.
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