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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2019 5:46:12 GMT -5
Jon Paul Morosi of MLB.com reports that the Red Sox are among the teams to evaluate Daniel Hudson. Hudson has posted a 0.93 ERA over his last 16 relief appearances to pique the interest of contending clubs. The cost to acquire the 32-year-old surely wouldn't be too much. Signed a 1.5 million dollar contract in the off-season. Owed less than a million dollars the rest of the season. This is probably the only other guy the Sox can afford outside of Edwin Diaz. Of course none of this will matter if Porcello keeps pitching like a AAA pitcher this year. He's probably one of the biggest reasons why the Sox can't consistently win this year.
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Post by nomar on Jul 22, 2019 8:54:03 GMT -5
Hudson isn’t good even if he’s healthy. No point in trading for him.
Trading good prospects doesn’t interest me either. Think Yates or Giles would be too big of a move to make.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 22, 2019 14:28:11 GMT -5
Sources: #RedSox showing active interest in #Padres closer Kirby Yates and #BlueJays closer Ken Giles. @mlb @mlbnetwork
I pray we do not empty the farm here.
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Post by sparkygian on Jul 23, 2019 0:03:30 GMT -5
So if Sox are seriously interested in J. Abreu, then perhaps they're thinking that if they traded for him, they could then turn around and trade JDM, which would also free up some cash since JDM is more expensive than Abreu.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 23, 2019 12:12:09 GMT -5
So if Sox are seriously interested in J. Abreu, then perhaps they're thinking that if they traded for him, they could then turn around and trade JDM, which would also free up some cash since JDM is more expensive than Abreu. If you trade JDM you're whiteflagging the season.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 23, 2019 12:41:01 GMT -5
So if Sox are seriously interested in J. Abreu, then perhaps they're thinking that if they traded for him, they could then turn around and trade JDM, which would also free up some cash since JDM is more expensive than Abreu. If they're buying Abreu, that means they see themselves as a contender. But if they downgrade from Martinez to Abreu they are less of a contender than before. Martinez is more expensive than Abreu for good reason. That's remarkably close to the style of management in 2014-15 that got Ben Cherington fired. He sold, but don't sell too much and made sure to sell for MLB help rather than just the best talent possible, and also bought expensive, mediocre free agents who were worse than the players he traded.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 23, 2019 16:22:19 GMT -5
Sources: #RedSox showing active interest in #Padres closer Kirby Yates and #BlueJays closer Ken Giles. @mlb @mlbnetwork I pray we do not empty the farm here. One thing DDo has a stellar track record at is evaluating his own prospects, going back to making Cameron Maybin the centerpiece of a trade for Miguel Cabrera.
That they're talking to the Padres about Yates, whom they coveted last year, suggests that there's one or more of the better prospects that he thinks is overrated.
Specifically, if they're less high on Dalbec than others -- given the fact that he's blocked, this would be the perfect time to see what kind of talent they could get for him, as opposed to waiting a year and having him struggle in AAA.
Having said that, he's also a guy who is universally seen as hard to project, and if they were high on him, it might be smart to shop him anyway, to help project his value a year from now. That might help your off-season planning a bit.
(Of course, neither the Padres nor Blue Jays need a 3B any time soon, so it would have to be a 3-team deal.)
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 23, 2019 20:55:25 GMT -5
Sources: #RedSox showing active interest in #Padres closer Kirby Yates and #BlueJays closer Ken Giles. @mlb @mlbnetwork I pray we do not empty the farm here. One thing DDo has a stellar track record at is evaluating his own prospects, going back to making Cameron Maybin the centerpiece of a trade for Miguel Cabrera.
That they're talking to the Padres about Yates, whom they coveted last year, suggests that there's one or more of the better prospects that he thinks is overrated.
Specifically, if they're less high on Dalbec than others -- given the fact that he's blocked, this would be the perfect time to see what kind of talent they could get for him, as opposed to waiting a year and having him struggle in AAA.
Having said that, he's also a guy who is universally seen as hard to project, and if they were high on him, it might be smart to shop him anyway, to help project his value a year from now. That might help your off-season planning a bit.
Dalbec is the "Hot" trade commodity around here, but I'd rather give up Duran. Trading a 3 plus tool player like Dalbec could come back to bite us. Trading Duran who has just 1 plus tool, no power and a questionable arm in a premium position seems like the safer move, especially with a much higher upside player in Jimenez in our system playing the same position. Duran has value right now, and I'm hoping he's the prospect DD is dangling right now. Sorry to veer off topic, just wanted to respond to your Dalbec comment.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 23, 2019 21:12:47 GMT -5
Duran probably lost as much from his awful start at AA that he gained with his ridiculous stint in A+. Really doubt he's worth a ton in a trade. You might even be selling low on him.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 23, 2019 22:02:41 GMT -5
Duran probably lost as much from his awful start at AA that he gained with his ridiculous stint in A+. Really doubt he's worth a ton in a trade. You might even be selling low on him. He’s probably worth about the same considering it’s expected for hitters to struggle at AA.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 24, 2019 17:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 18:28:46 GMT -5
Bumgardner only makes sense if you're dealing Rick Porcello to the Giants in return. It would save huge savings on payroll and AAV. It would protect you from the third tax threshold, and it could open the Sox up to make other moves. I don't think this scenario is very likely however, and I wouldn't give up that much go get Bumgardner over Porcello.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 24, 2019 19:43:41 GMT -5
I'd do Porcello for Baumgarner so fast your head would spin. Doubt the Giants would though.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 24, 2019 20:15:23 GMT -5
BumGarner is so much more talented than Porcello
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Post by kman22 on Jul 24, 2019 23:14:49 GMT -5
Talent wise, that's a no brainer for the Red Sox, moneywise too.
An all LH October rotation would be really interesting.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 24, 2019 23:56:41 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious he wasn't suggesting we could just swap Porcello straight up for Bumgarner, and if he was it's too laughable a concept to even entertain.
What I think he meant, and what makes sense, is that we'd have to give up prospects to not only get MadBum but likely pay an extra price to get them to take Porcello off our hands in the deal as well.
The guy has such a great postseason history that I find the idea of going after him very enticing. Just get to the playoffs and then the chances of advancing with him, the way Eovaldi pitches against NY, maybe finally a healthy Sale in October, etc.
I don't know how much it would cost, though. I still think you need at least one real good bullpen arm to make this team a real contender and doing both would probably take a bunch of top prospects.
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Post by sparkygian on Jul 25, 2019 0:14:37 GMT -5
Nice to see Duran getting red-hot again; hopefully he isn't traded at the deadline, unless it's for a legitimately substantial return. I believe he's been multi-hits per game for last few games, including tonight's four hits. Another Carew taking shape, perhaps!?
Any possibility that R. Castillo can be finally set free at the deadline? Just seems like Sox would almost be willing to throw him into a deal, along with including some cash even, just cause he's definitely performing pretty solidly for Pawtucket, yet again, but blocked at MLB level by Sox current outfielders, and by his hefty contract. I wouldn't put it past DD to figure out a way of offloading him in a package, without paying ultimate luxury tax penalty. Seems like some MLB team needing a decent outfielder would be willing to gamble on him.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 25, 2019 0:41:41 GMT -5
Nice to see Duran getting red-hot again; hopefully he isn't traded at the deadline, unless it's for a legitimately substantial return. I believe he's been multi-hits per game for last few games, including tonight's four hits. Another Carew taking shape, perhaps!? Any possibility that R. Castillo can be finally set free at the deadline? Just seems like Sox would almost be willing to throw him into a deal, along with including some cash even, just cause he's definitely performing pretty solidly for Pawtucket, yet again, but blocked at MLB level by Sox current outfielders, and by his hefty contract. I wouldn't put it past DD to figure out a way of offloading him in a package, without paying ultimate luxury tax penalty. Seems like some MLB team needing a decent outfielder would be willing to gamble on him. If we trade him and pay part of his salary, then don't we get hit with that amount applied to the luxury tax? I'm not sure, but I think that might be the case.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2019 1:31:14 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious he wasn't suggesting we could just swap Porcello straight up for Bumgarner, and if he was it's too laughable a concept to even entertain. What I think he meant, and what makes sense, is that we'd have to give up prospects to not only get MadBum but likely pay an extra price to get them to take Porcello off our hands in the deal as well. The guy has such a great postseason history that I find the idea of going after him very enticing. Just get to the playoffs and then the chances of advancing with him, the way Eovaldi pitches against NY, maybe finally a healthy Sale in October, etc. I don't know how much it would cost, though. I still think you need at least one real good bullpen arm to make this team a real contender and doing both would probably take a bunch of top prospects. Yeah, my apologies. I thought everyone assumed that in the first place. Porcello + prospects for Bumgardner. No salaries swapping sides. The Sox could throw in extra for salary relief or throw in extra for Will Smith in a package deal. That kind of deal would clear the payroll around 7 million AAV wise if it was a straight Porcello for Bumgardner swap. This would let you pursue other avenues that's been discussed and rumored, like the Jose Abreu rumors. You could then trade not much for Abreu, get a massive upgrade and almost still be under the third threshold. You'd probably need to trade Moreland to clear a little more space and prospects, but I have no issue with that either. It wouldn't take much to talk me into a Porcello and Bumgardner swap. Porcello is very much one of the reasons why this team has been what it is so far record wise through this year. He's been pitching like crap all year. This would be a upgrade, no doubt. Bumgardner's postseason magic reminds me of early Josh Beckett too. You could pitch Price and Sale in a wild card game, and still feel good about game 1 in the ALDS to win with Bumgardner starting. Sale, Price, Bumgardner. That's elite right there.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 28, 2019 16:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2019 17:06:49 GMT -5
Great news!!!
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 28, 2019 17:12:50 GMT -5
Yeah I want him even though he hasnt been good this year. Wonder what the cost would be.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 28, 2019 17:15:18 GMT -5
Not sure why they'd punt on Diaz when they just acquired Marcus Stroman
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Post by incandenza on Jul 28, 2019 17:22:32 GMT -5
Not sure why they'd punt on Diaz when they just acquired Marcus Stroman This comment was how I found out about the Stroman trade, and I was 100% certain it was a joke.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2019 17:22:40 GMT -5
Not sure why they'd punt on Diaz when they just acquired Marcus Stroman Might be Ken Giles. Stay tuned Iakovos. Both would be fine by me.
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