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Post by grandsalami on Jun 26, 2019 23:17:44 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 0:31:52 GMT -5
Can't see that happening. The price of Boyd is supposed to be pretty high. The Sox are probably doing due diligence.
The only way they get serious about this is if they feel Eovaldi won't make it back to the rotation this year.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 27, 2019 6:29:44 GMT -5
Due diligence on Boyd but probably there to see Shane Greene
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2019 6:34:25 GMT -5
Due diligence on Boyd but probably there to see Shayne Green I agree on this. They are both pitchers that Dombrowski has acquired by trade in the past and unless Eovaldi cannot come back, it is highly probable that Greene is the guy they're focused on. Whether you believe that the good performance he's been putting up this year is legit is a different story, but you'd have to guess that guys like Greene, Giles, and whatever other high leverage reliever/closer is available they're taking hard looks at.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 27, 2019 11:57:44 GMT -5
Considering how thin the system is.. I'm for standing pat regardless, unless some really decent reliever is available dirt cheap.
IMO, Boyd isn't any better than brian Johnson, who is a sub 5th starter himself and expect boyd to revert to reallity at any moment. If have to, let Wright go a few starts until his knee falls off.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 27, 2019 15:10:59 GMT -5
Considering how thin the system is.. I'm for standing pat regardless, unless some really decent reliever is available dirt cheap. IMO, Boyd isn't any better than brian Johnson, who is a sub 5th starter himself and expect boyd to revert to reallity at any moment. If have to, let Wright go a few starts until his knee falls off. Yeah but.....Wright is not going to start this year so sayeth Cora, so sayeth the Sox.
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Post by coachmac on Jun 27, 2019 17:13:52 GMT -5
MLBTR says the Tigers a seeking a Quintana type return. 4 players. The White Sox received Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease. Red Sox dont have one prospect in that range in the minor league system let alone 2.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jun 27, 2019 17:18:12 GMT -5
Buyers? We need to be sellers. The division race is over, we should think about trading one of big names who will walk next year for multiple prospects rated very in the top 10-20...rebuild the farm!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2019 20:14:14 GMT -5
Buyers? We need to be sellers. The division race is over, we should think about trading one of big names who will walk next year for multiple prospects rated very in the top 10-20...rebuild the farm!!! Wild Cards are fully capable of winning the World Series, too, you know? So what if the division race is over? If they win the Wild Card game and they've fixed their issues, they have a shot at advancing in the playoffs. You might have forgotten but the 2004 Red Sox were a Wild Card team. Selling would be foolish and costly for next year as well. You're not going to rebuild the farm system dealing away Rick Porcello and JDM is too valuable to the 2020 Red Sox to trade away. It makes no sense to sell as things are right now.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 27, 2019 21:12:18 GMT -5
Buyers? We need to be sellers. The division race is over, we should think about trading one of big names who will walk next year for multiple prospects rated very in the top 10-20...rebuild the farm!!! Wild Cards are fully capable of winning the World Series, too, you know? So what if the division race is over? If they win the Wild Card game and they've fixed their issues, they have a shot at advancing in the playoffs. You might have forgotten but the 2004 Red Sox were a Wild Card team. Selling would be foolish and costly for next year as well. You're not going to rebuild the farm system dealing away Rick Porcello and JDM is too valuable to the 2020 Red Sox to trade away. It makes no sense to sell as things are right now. I’d still argue that the division isn’t over. Stranger things have happened. But yeah, WC...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 27, 2019 21:33:49 GMT -5
Wild Cards are fully capable of winning the World Series, too, you know? So what if the division race is over? If they win the Wild Card game and they've fixed their issues, they have a shot at advancing in the playoffs. You might have forgotten but the 2004 Red Sox were a Wild Card team. Selling would be foolish and costly for next year as well. You're not going to rebuild the farm system dealing away Rick Porcello and JDM is too valuable to the 2020 Red Sox to trade away. It makes no sense to sell as things are right now. 2004 Red Sox had the 3rd best winning percentage in baseball. This year's Red Sox have the 3rd best winning percentage in their division. Appreciate your optimism, but let's not pretend those two teams are similar. Me optimistic? Since when? LOL. I'm no koolaid drinker nor do I think it's all gloom and doom with the 2019 Red Sox. The 2004 Red Sox didn't have the 3rd best winning pct until after they went 34-12 down the stretch. The Red Sox have the 3rd best pct in their own division - right now. It's not really out of the realm of possibility that the Red Sox finish ahead of Tampa. The 2004 Red Sox and 2019 aren't THAT dissimilar. They both were playing far worse than those two teams were capable of playing. The 2004 Red Sox as of mid August 2004 were seen as major disappointment and were being derisively written up as the "Fortunate .500s" and as "a pack of frauds". The 2019 Red Sox are far worse than anybody really imagined. Most of us knew they weren't winning 108 again, but 95 - 100 wins shouldn't have been out of the question. So if you think that means I'm telling you they're going to go 34-12, win 98 games, and make history, no that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying this team is capable of playing much better than they have. I think Betts and JDM will eventually play better, although not at 2018 levels. I think that Dombrowski will make a move to get a closer so that the pen gets into some sort of order and stops giving games away. And like I said, I do think that Betts and Benintendi will play better and that means that eventually maybe the Sox will start jumping on their opponents in the 1st inning like they were doing last year, which they really haven't been doing this year. They'll get hot but I don't expect it to be epic, but I do think it will be good enough to grab a Wild Card spot. None of Cleveland, Oakland, or Texas are juggernauts and if Tampa doesn't get Glasnow back soon, it'll be tougher for them to be as good as they were when they had that 1-2 punch of Snell and Glasnow. I honestly don't think I'm being optimistic or pessimistic. I think the expectations that I have that they win between 91 - 93 games and that's good enough for a playoff spot are realistic expectations.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2019 1:28:22 GMT -5
Considering how thin the system is.. I'm for standing pat regardless, unless some really decent reliever is available dirt cheap. IMO, Boyd isn't any better than brian Johnson, who is a sub 5th starter himself and expect boyd to revert to reallity at any moment. If have to, let Wright go a few starts until his knee falls off. Yeah but.....Wright is not going to start this year so sayeth Cora, so sayeth the Sox. How much of that is giving help to the worn out core of the bull pen and how much of that was to save wear and tear on his surgically repaired knee was 1st thing i thought when saw that article regarding Cora. Cora has already used 1 of the potential starters in Shawaryn as a reliever and it now it seems Wright will be used that way also. My belief is both of those 2 are better options than Johnson and probably Velazquez in a 5th starter role in the absence of Eovaldi where every loss pushes them further back. Seems like it's time for role reversals, or Velazquez to Pawtucket time when he's healthy.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 29, 2019 13:51:49 GMT -5
Let's have this thread be for actual rumors. There are like 3 other threads in which we can debate buying vs selling and whether this team is any good. Thanks!
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Post by coachmac on Jun 29, 2019 17:38:12 GMT -5
Jon Heyman says that Dombrowski is quietly scouring the market for relievers and that the other contenders expect the Sox to make a deal
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 29, 2019 20:25:55 GMT -5
Jon Heyman says that Dombrowski is quietly scouring the market for relievers and that the other contenders expect the Sox to make a deal This made me laugh - think we should pin this comment so it doesn't have to be re-posted every year
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2019 10:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 8, 2019 11:00:02 GMT -5
Ugh...DD about to gut the farm for another Pomeranz....
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2019 11:17:07 GMT -5
NM
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Post by Guidas on Jul 8, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5
I'm all for this if it's a quality guy with control rather than a pure rental. I know Boyd is the shiny object du jour, but Jon Gray (COL) comes to mind and has a longer track record. So does German Marquez (COL), Zach Wheeler (NYM), Marcus Stroman (TOR) and to an extent (though I personally don't trust him) Joe Musgrove.
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Post by coachmac on Jul 8, 2019 12:59:28 GMT -5
Be prepared for major angst. If Dombrowski is pushing for an early conclusion it frightens me to think how much he will overpay.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 8, 2019 13:35:19 GMT -5
Look at the verbiage. "Casting a wide net". It could be anything from an ace to Wade Miley.
My suspicion is that he's looking for a 5th starter since Eovaldi is now going to the pen and wants someone to plug the gap. Velazquez and Johnson can't be trusted and they need quality innings. They can't afford an (almost) automatic loss every 5th day.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 8, 2019 13:58:52 GMT -5
I'm all for this if it's a quality guy with control rather than a pure rental. I know Boyd is the shiny object du jour, but Jon Gray (COL) comes to mind and has a longer track record. So does German Marquez (COL), Zach Wheeler (NYM), Marcus Stroman (TOR) and to an extent (though I personally don't trust him) Joe Musgrove. Boyd...yuck Please no. Especially since DD will probably vastly overpay for this guy
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2019 14:02:10 GMT -5
Let's have this thread be for actual rumors. There are like 3 other threads in which we can debate buying vs selling and whether this team is any good. Thanks! I think we should heed what Chris is saying. I posted my initial reaction to the rumor myself and then I saw Chris' post and thought better of it. This thread is supposed to be just for news items relating to the Red Sox. Maybe related reaction should go in the mid-season acquisition thread instead?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2019 14:26:36 GMT -5
Reaction to the actual rumors is fine. We were straying into "well here's what I would do" territory, which is for another thread. Or seven.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 8, 2019 16:04:56 GMT -5
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