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Post by greenmonster on Nov 7, 2021 6:29:04 GMT -5
Its JD Day....what time is the deadline?
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Post by jimoh on Nov 7, 2021 6:33:53 GMT -5
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Post by lancect on Nov 7, 2021 7:16:46 GMT -5
Is his time to decide the same as the deadline for the Red Sox to extend QO? If he opts out at 4:59, can they extend QO in time?
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Post by jimoh on Nov 7, 2021 7:58:12 GMT -5
Is his time to decide the same as the deadline for the Red Sox to extend QO? If he opts out at 4:59, can they extend QO in time? Couldn't they just make a conditional offer? "If you are a FA, here's a QO." My prediction: JD opts out, accepts the QO, then after the DH is added to the NL the Sox make a subsidized trade where a team gives prospects or useful pieces and only has to pay JD $8-12M.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 7, 2021 8:15:48 GMT -5
Is his time to decide the same as the deadline for the Red Sox to extend QO? If he opts out at 4:59, can they extend QO in time? Couldn't they just make a conditional offer? "If you are a FA, here's a QO." My prediction: JD opts out, accepts the QO, then after the DH is added to the NL the Sox make a subsidized trade where a team gives prospects or useful pieces and only has to pay JD $8-12M. Why would he opt-out and accept the QO? He loses $1.6M in that move? Also, can they trade him? He's a 10-5 guy, isn't he?
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Post by ramireja on Nov 7, 2021 12:39:57 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Nov 7, 2021 12:43:47 GMT -5
Oh! I'd have put that as least likely of the 3 options.
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Post by soxinnj on Nov 7, 2021 13:09:59 GMT -5
So my question now is, do they have a chance at all of having Schwarber come back?
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 7, 2021 13:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by vokuhila on Nov 7, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
They can still trade him...should be a decent market if the NL goes DH. Return would be minimal though...maybe CB can find the next Pivetta. Bloom said they played their best baseball with JD AND Schwarber on the team, but having both for a full season seems pretty yankee-ish to me.
First domino fell on the least interesting side...
EDIT: NGL I'm actually getting annoyed because he didn't opt out...his contract feels like a roadblock on the path to the future... Atleast he now has every incentive to put up good numbers...
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 7, 2021 13:26:18 GMT -5
So my question now is, do they have a chance at all of having Schwarber come back? I would have zero interest in being close to the high bidder for Schwarber with the current roster
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 7, 2021 13:42:08 GMT -5
They can still trade him...should be a decent market if the NL goes DH. Return would be minimal though...maybe CB can find the next Pivetta. Bloom said they played their best baseball with JD AND Schwarber on the team, but having both for a full season seems pretty yankee-ish to me. First domino fell on the least interesting side... EDIT: NGL I'm actually getting annoyed because he didn't opt out...his contract feels like a roadblock on the path to the future... Atleast he now has every incentive to put up good numbers... We played our best ball with both because we didn't have better alternatives. Definitely doesn't mean the 2022 team can't play even better ball with someone / multiple someones not named Schwarber who fit the roster better!
I'm also annoyed he opted in. Best case scenario, baseball actually happens in 2022, JD turns back the clock and has a great year, and then we can QO without fear - either we get a one year deal that feels even better than this year's option, or we get a pick back. Assuming the QO system isn't overhauled, that is.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 7, 2021 14:29:37 GMT -5
What do those of us who had no and no win?
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Nov 7, 2021 15:10:53 GMT -5
I've read most of the pros and cons of JD's scenarios. He's here another year and you know he'll put forth his best effort to earn a big contract after this coming season. Sox have salary certainty with him... and can place a qualifying offer next offseason if they desire. Might not have been Boston's best option, but, well...
From the 'glass is half full' perspective... we can focus on areas aside from adding another DH/outfielder like Schwarber. Lock up Devers... explore the bullpen situation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2021 16:06:37 GMT -5
Here’s a question: If JD opts out, and is offered and accepts a QO, can he be traded? I believe you are required to keep the player until at least June but not sure of the exact date. That's a player signed as a free agent. I'm not sure a QO player would be considered signing as a free agent since by definition if you accept a QO you're back with your original team, right? Oh well, we won't find that out this year, I guess.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 7, 2021 16:23:18 GMT -5
They can still trade him...should be a decent market if the NL goes DH. Return would be minimal though...maybe CB can find the next Pivetta. Bloom said they played their best baseball with JD AND Schwarber on the team, but having both for a full season seems pretty yankee-ish to me. First domino fell on the least interesting side... EDIT: NGL I'm actually getting annoyed because he didn't opt out...his contract feels like a roadblock on the path to the future... Atleast he now has every incentive to put up good numbers... Yankee-ish......translation..... too many DHs who play bad defense and clog up the payroll. LOL AND no World Series appearances in 12 years and only 1 in the last 18 years. Eat your heart out MFY fans!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 7, 2021 16:28:32 GMT -5
He was fine this year. 1 more year is not a bad thing. His salary doesn't prevent them from doing much of anything they want to do.
He's earned his place in Sox lore, not bothered by him playing out the last year of his contract here.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 7, 2021 16:36:07 GMT -5
He was fine this year. 1 more year is not a bad thing. His salary doesn't prevent them from doing much of anything they want to do. He's earned his place in Sox lore, not bothered by him playing out the last year of his contract here. Schwarber had a higher OBP and OPS (with the Sox) is younger and is left handed making him a better fit (currently the only LHH are Verdugo and Devers). JD has been great for the Sox, but going forward Schwarber would have been a better fit. That said, at least the Sox have JD. Some other team might have thrown crazy money at Schwarber and the Sox could have ended up with neither.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 7, 2021 16:40:59 GMT -5
He was fine this year. 1 more year is not a bad thing. His salary doesn't prevent them from doing much of anything they want to do. He's earned his place in Sox lore, not bothered by him playing out the last year of his contract here. Schwarber had a higher OBP and OPS (with the Sox) is younger and is left handed making him a better fit (currently the only LHH are Verdugo and Devers). JD has been great for the Sox, but going forward Schwarber would have been a better fit. That said, at least the Sox have JD. Some other team might have thrown crazy money at Schwarber and the Sox could have ended up with neither. and who else is our RH power. Maybe Dalbec finds it (I am hopeful). You want to pin your hopes on Renfore. He was 3 bWar this year. Still a professional hitter (some regression expected at his age) and a great club house guy. It is only 19+ million. He is still very much worth it. Not too mention we just made the ALCS. Not ready to give up on guys that would be key components on our 2022 drive. I think this is more about people getting annoyed that he isnt the hitter he once was and thinking he is replaceable. That is a big risk. I don't think you can say with any certainty that Schwarber would be a better fit.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 7, 2021 16:49:23 GMT -5
Awesome. I, for one, am a huge JD fan, and I love watching guys try to earn that next contract in their walk year.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 7, 2021 17:12:12 GMT -5
Schwarber had a higher OBP and OPS (with the Sox) is younger and is left handed making him a better fit (currently the only LHH are Verdugo and Devers). JD has been great for the Sox, but going forward Schwarber would have been a better fit. That said, at least the Sox have JD. Some other team might have thrown crazy money at Schwarber and the Sox could have ended up with neither. and who else is our RH power. Maybe Dalbec finds it (I am hopeful). You want to pin your hopes on Renfore. He was 3 bWar this year. Still a professional hitter (some regression expected at his age) and a great club house guy. It is only 19+ million. He is still very much worth it. Not too mention we just made the ALCS. Not ready to give up on guys that would be key components on our 2022 drive. I think this is more about people getting annoyed that he isnt the hitter he once was and thinking he is replaceable. That is a big risk. I don't think you can say with any certainty that Schwarber would be a better fit. JD has been great for the Red Sox (in 3.37 years (2020 was .37 years) JD has averaged 34 HRs and BA and OPS have been fantastic). I just wish he was left handed as that would be a better fit with current projections of 7 RHH and 2 LHH in the starting lineup.
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Post by vokuhila on Nov 7, 2021 17:17:30 GMT -5
He was fine this year. 1 more year is not a bad thing. His salary doesn't prevent them from doing much of anything they want to do. He's earned his place in Sox lore, not bothered by him playing out the last year of his contract here. He definitively earned his place in RS lore! I don't have anything against him per se, quite the contrary actually! Not sure about the "not preventing them from doing much of anything they want to do" though. Looking at what this team has done this year, you kind of have to wonder how much more they need for a "real" push (before Nate and Kiké hit the open market), one star free agent maybe? Maybe a second one? Sure would be nice to have the payroll flexibility to do that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 7, 2021 17:33:32 GMT -5
I know I will be in the minority but I would like Schwarber back also. I don't think it would cost that much, could be wrong but 15m for 4 might be the neighborhood. Their are a lot of FA's out there who will be higher priorities and suck up a lot of the available cap space. That and his defensive drawbacks could make him affordable. One yr of both he and JD could be manageable to get a great lefty bat that can play a little first and OF. Not likely to happen but I wouldn't hate it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 7, 2021 18:07:48 GMT -5
He was fine this year. 1 more year is not a bad thing. His salary doesn't prevent them from doing much of anything they want to do. He's earned his place in Sox lore, not bothered by him playing out the last year of his contract here. He definitively earned his place in RS lore! I don't have anything against him per se, quite the contrary actually! Not sure about the "not preventing them from doing much of anything they want to do" though. Looking at what this team has done this year, you kind of have to wonder how much more they need for a "real" push (before Nate and Kiké hit the open market), one star free agent maybe? Maybe a second one? Sure would be nice to have the payroll flexibility to do that. i think they can go over this year without much of a penalty, if any at all. With him coming off the books, i would be more concerned with payroll in 2023 and beyond, but i could be wrong about that.
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 7, 2021 18:55:21 GMT -5
At least there's a clear path for Casas now. One more half season in AAA. Then splits time with Dalbec at 1B. The following year there's two spots in the 1B/DH in 2023.
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