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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2019 21:03:49 GMT -5
JD needs to be benched or DL’d.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 19, 2019 21:07:03 GMT -5
Prob Webers last appearance as a sox? at least till September I guess
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 19, 2019 21:09:27 GMT -5
at least Weber ate up the innings
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Post by station13 on Jul 19, 2019 21:09:53 GMT -5
Prob Webers last appearance as a sox? at least till September I guess He'll be back. This pen is a merry-go-round
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Post by station13 on Jul 19, 2019 21:11:04 GMT -5
Prob Webers last appearance as a sox? at least till September I guess He'll be back. This pen is a merry-go-round
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2019 21:11:49 GMT -5
Prob Webers last appearance as a sox? at least till September I guess He'll probably be DFA'd before then for a 40 man roster spot.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2019 21:16:49 GMT -5
Prob Webers last appearance as a sox? at least till September I guess He'll probably be DFA'd before then for a 40 man roster spot. Just to add, Eovaldi needs to be taken off the 60 day IL and needs a 40 man roster spot tomorrow. They'll probably put Steve Pearce on the 60 day IL until September and option Weber down tomorrow.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 19, 2019 21:16:53 GMT -5
Bang up job yet again by the Sex. Should have just stayed on the Bus.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 19, 2019 21:18:35 GMT -5
At least the god awful pitching only needs to pitch 8 innings while on the road.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 19, 2019 21:28:05 GMT -5
Nothing to really say after that. Terrible in all dimensions. Against a terrible team. Meaning...a pretty terrible night.
Now really mystifying is JDM, though - last 10 games 6 for 39, 1 HR, 1 RBI. That's a big hole in the line up.
Benny's last 8 games 7 for 31 0 HR 5 RBI
JBJ's last 11 games 8 for 42 0 HR 2 RBI
so, 3 big holes in the line up.
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Post by itsdunkindonutstime on Jul 19, 2019 21:45:32 GMT -5
Nothing to really say after that. Terrible in all dimensions. Against a terrible team. Meaning...a pretty terrible night. Now really mystifying is JDM, though - last 10 games 6 for 39, 1 HR, 1 RBI. That's a big hole in the line up. Benny's last 8 games 7 for 31 9 HR 5 RBI JBJ's last 11 games 8 for 42 0 HR 2 RBI so, 3 big holes in the line up. just looked it up more details about JDM on baseball ref site , July 2018 JDM stats 310 / 385 / 631 / 1.016 fast forward to this July 2019 so far, 216 / 273 / 294 / 567 , oh and 1st half his OPS was 918 2nd half so far its 382 OUCH! any idea why such a steep drop off ? maybe hes hiding an injury ? one thing for sure, if he keeps batting like this for the rest of season ( which he won't hes just too good for this! ) he won't opt out.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2019 22:01:32 GMT -5
Terrible game at a terrible time. Now with Porcello and Cashner slated to go, there's a real possibility the Red Sox lose this series to Baltimore, which is a terrible way to go into that brutal 2 week menu of Rays and Yankees. The Red Sox cannot afford to go more games behind the wild card as they approach TB/NY.
I have been of the feeling all season long that despite how uphill the season has been the Sox would put it together enough (or at least more than two of TB/Oakland/Cleveland) to be a Wild Card, but as the season progresses I have less belief that they will put it together well enough to be better than two of TB/Oakland/Cleveland.
It occurs to me that we are in a Red Sox decade of extremes.
There was the extreme choke job of 2011.
There were three last place finishes in 2012, 2014, and 2015 sandwiching a suprise World Championship in 2013, and then after the back-to-back last place finishes, there were three straight first place finishes, the last one culminating in the greatest season in Red Sox history.
So what would be more appropriate in this decade than to go from greatest Red Sox team of all-time to missing the playoffs altogether the following season?
I'm having that growing feeling they're not going to make the post-season.
I still have the belief that the Red Sox will finally be consistent enough to get blazing hot at some point in the season. I believe it will be after the Red Sox endure a brutal 5-9 stretch (or something close to that) that drops them 6 or 7 games off the Wild Card spots, and then I think the Red Sox will get scorching hot after that. The question is how long will they be able to prolong it for and will it be enough to allow them not only to get close but to leapfrog two of those three teams in front of them? That's a tall order.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 19, 2019 22:04:22 GMT -5
7 - 4 against the O's this year so far.
16 - 3 against them last year.
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Post by kingstephanos on Jul 19, 2019 22:08:55 GMT -5
Nothing to really say after that. Terrible in all dimensions. Against a terrible team. Meaning...a pretty terrible night. Now really mystifying is JDM, though - last 10 games 6 for 39, 1 HR, 1 RBI. That's a big hole in the line up. Benny's last 8 games 7 for 31 9 HR 5 RBI JBJ's last 11 games 8 for 42 0 HR 2 RBI so, 3 big holes in the line up. just looked it up more details about JDM on baseball ref site , July 2018 JDM stats 310 / 385 / 631 / 1.016 fast forward to this July 2019 so far, 216 / 273 / 294 / 567 , oh and 1st half his OPS was 918 2nd half so far its 382 OUCH! any idea why such a steep drop off ? maybe hes hiding an injury ? one thing for sure, if he keeps batting like this for the rest of season ( which he won't hes just too good for this! ) he won't opt out. It was mentioned on one of the broadcasts that his personal swing coach signed with another team - leaving Martinez without another set of eyes to help keep his swing mechanics in check.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 19, 2019 22:14:17 GMT -5
just looked it up more details about JDM on baseball ref site , July 2018 JDM stats 310 / 385 / 631 / 1.016 fast forward to this July 2019 so far, 216 / 273 / 294 / 567 , oh and 1st half his OPS was 918 2nd half so far its 382 OUCH! any idea why such a steep drop off ? maybe hes hiding an injury ? one thing for sure, if he keeps batting like this for the rest of season ( which he won't hes just too good for this! ) he won't opt out. It was mentioned on one of the broadcasts that his personal swing coach signed with another team - leaving Martinez without another set of eyes to help keep his swing mechanics in check. Dodgers, he seems to be working out well there, Robert Van Scoyoc
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 20, 2019 5:52:32 GMT -5
Even Xander agrees, that was the worst loss of the year. The Orioles are a joke right now and you cleaned them out last year. I hope the Sox just go on a 14 game winning streak and erase everything that's been done this year, but unlikely. Hope they turn it around real quickly because losses like last night are getting old.
I'm not even one to use putrid or embarrassing a lot over one game, but last night was one of the few times I could agree with it and say it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 20, 2019 7:14:09 GMT -5
Just a morning thought... Has Cora lost some of his ability to motivate all of the team? Last year was the post Farrell buzz and breath of fresh air Cora instilled. Has the magic worn off a bit as reality returns? Some tough contract decisions coming up?
Inconsistency like we are seeing had me thinking it this morning. It must be especially hard to maintain motivation after a season like the last.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 20, 2019 8:20:14 GMT -5
Just a morning thought... Has Cora lost some of his ability to motivate all of the team? Last year was the post Farrell buzz and breath of fresh air Cora instilled. Has the magic worn off a bit as reality returns? Some tough contract decisions coming up? Inconsistency like we are seeing had me thinking it this morning. It must be especially hard to maintain motivation after a season like the last. Who knows of course. But there is some historical basis....Morgan Magic and post Valentine. Newness/freshness can help especially after the extreme emotional drain of last year...and Sox management appears to be acknowledging that advocating some player turnover year to year. But despite a decline from super heroes Mook and JD, we are scoring more runs....as other teammates have risen. And wasn't it Clinton who famously said...'It's the pitching stupid'. We are currently ranked 18th in team pitching...
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 20, 2019 8:21:45 GMT -5
He'll probably be DFA'd before then for a 40 man roster spot. Just to add, Eovaldi needs to be taken off the 60 day IL and needs a 40 man roster spot tomorrow. They'll probably put Steve Pearce on the 60 day IL until September and option Weber down tomorrow. Roster is at 39. No move needed to add Eovaldi
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 20, 2019 9:44:43 GMT -5
Just a morning thought... Has Cora lost some of his ability to motivate all of the team? I dont think he motivated Price to leave the ball out over the plate. Or some of our AAAA pitchers to get smashed. LOL! Last night was one of the 60 games you lose no matter what. Rafi 0-4 2 ks for example.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 20, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -5
Just a morning thought... Has Cora lost some of his ability to motivate all of the team? I dont think he motivated Price to leave the ball out over the plate. Or some of our AAAA pitchers to get smashed. LOL! Last night was one of the 60 games you lose no matter what. Rafi 0-4 2 ks for example. Sure these happen. But so often this year? I can't find much logic in this season so far
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 20, 2019 10:10:03 GMT -5
I dont think he motivated Price to leave the ball out over the plate. Or some of our AAAA pitchers to get smashed. LOL! Last night was one of the 60 games you lose no matter what. Rafi 0-4 2 ks for example. Sure these happen. But so often this year? I can't find much logic in this season so far Last year was a season for the ages, 119 wins a WS ring. IIRC second best season in Sox history, the best season was in the Ruth era. Point being there was bound to be regression. Mookie 10 WAR season (there have only been like 22 of those history), JDM was a machine at the plate, they had a fairly reliable closer, most importantly they were a hungry team. They got away with Brian Johnson and the like starting and winning games last year, this year that strategy has ground a patch work bullpen into powder. I could go on but you see where this headed.
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Post by costpet on Jul 20, 2019 10:11:27 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how great your closer is if you don't have the lead going into the ninth. Before the season the Sox were said to have the best starting rotation in the majors. That's the problem. Their starters aren't nearly as good as they were supposed to be. If you're losing by 6 runs in the 5th, you have no chance.
The Rays/MFY series will be the nail in the coffin. There's no magic player out there they could trade for. They need several, mostly pitchers. It's not happening.
As the old saying goes, "wait'll next year."
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Post by coachmac on Jul 20, 2019 10:30:19 GMT -5
The Sox desperately need the starters to give them length over the next 2 starts so the bullpen isn't on fumes begining the Tampa Bay series. With Weber gone, there really isn't a mop-up/long reliever on the 25 man roster. I can't imagine Eovaldi being available for back to back days. Both Porcello and Cashner are supposed to give the team innings but I don't like the team's chances.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 20, 2019 10:40:25 GMT -5
The Sox desperately need the starters to give them length over the next 2 starts so the bullpen isn't on fumes begining the Tampa Bay series. With Weber gone, there really isn't a mop-up/long reliever on the 25 man roster. I can't imagine Eovaldi being available for back to back days. Both Porcello and Cashner are supposed to give the team innings but I don't like the team's chances. You know, this ominous 14 game gauntlet doesn't feel as daunting anymore. Tampa Bay has been in a complete free fall. Unfortunately, Cleveland and Oakland don't lose games and the Yankees feel like automatic losses (which can be said for anyone who plays them).
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