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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 18:39:58 GMT -5
i took a nap while all this bad stuff was going on....thankfully. Cashner going tomorrow....what could go wrong ?!?! See you then boys !!! have a nice evening, my friends. Sad day - last day at the beach - drive back home tomorrow (it's been fun - two daughters, their hubbies, two dogs, two grandsons, my wife of course - beach, sun, kayaking....good memories!
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 10, 2019 18:49:26 GMT -5
missed this one, but can't say i missed it.
doesn't seem like it will be possible for them to get on the type of run to pass a few of the teams ahead of them in the WC.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2019 19:32:03 GMT -5
missed this one, but can't say i missed it. doesn't seem like it will be possible for them to get on the type of run to pass a few of the teams ahead of them in the WC. The Red Sox pitching issues and lack of clutch hitting is not going allow them to get on an extended run in conjunction with two wild card hopefuls fading badly to enable them to make the playoffs where they'd face teams who have kicked the living crap out of them this season. I clearly underestimated how good Cleveland, Minnesota, TB, and Oakland are this season. Those are all strong solid teams, and one of those teams won't make the playoffs. I do think the Sox will play better and go on a bit of a run, but once that run ends, they'll do what they have done all year and that's fall short. The Red Sox kind of had their moments of truth in that 14 game stretch against TB and NYY, and they didn't exactly go out and beat up on Cleveland or Oakland. I think the Sox will get hot enough to threaten to win 90 games, but that won't be enough. Can't really say that I'm taking these games very seriously at this point. I think they're playing out the string and I'm more interested in this point to see what they get out of Chris Sale for the rest of this season and have some interest in seeing if Eovaldi pitches better as the season gets to September and he's gotten his "spring training" out of the way. And I'll keep an eye on Darwinzon Hernandez as well. Why? Because all three guys are key for the 2020 season. You basically know what you're going to get out of everybody else. And as far as Price goes, it's obviously a medical reason why he's struggled lately so I'm not too worried about him for 2020.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 10, 2019 19:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah. But he competes well, always takes the ball, get you some quality innings. I mean you could do a lot worse Not this year, really - Porcello ranks as worst starter ERA wise in the AL. Wins are what counts...unless we start awarding effort points. Sorry - I am pretty tough on this talented team this year because they are capable of so much more. Don't you think that by now (over his Sox career minus one year) Porcello is what he is....not very good. He can't be someone we rely on next season. A Mookie trade (heresy?) could be the tonic needed to bring the staff back to a strength. I was hoping that Wright could contribute but he sabotaged himself and his body piled on. He could leave an memorable legacy by donating that body to science.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2019 19:56:08 GMT -5
This isn't what baseball today is. This pitch would have been destroyed in 1955 too. Porcello has been awful all year. Let him go. I would also debate letting him go now, but the season is over so who cares?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 19:58:20 GMT -5
Copied from above in redsoxchamps post "I do think the Sox will play better and go on a bit of a run. .... I think the Sox will get hot enough to threaten to win 90 games, but that won't be enough."
I disagree with both of your thoughts. There is no basis for any sort of run because we've seen what this team is. The sample size is significant. They lose badly to the best, and lose too often to the lesser teams. I am now thinking 85-86 wins....and hope I am wrong.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2019 21:08:19 GMT -5
Copied from above in redsoxchamps post "I do think the Sox will play better and go on a bit of a run. .... I think the Sox will get hot enough to threaten to win 90 games, but that won't be enough." I disagree with both of your thoughts. There is no basis for any sort of run because we've seen what this team is. The sample size is significant. They lose badly to the best, and lose too often to the lesser teams. I am now thinking 85-86 wins....and hope I am wrong. Don't misunderstand me - a run to me at this point means like 12-3 followed by a stretch of 10-12 or something like that. They're not going 17-2 on their way to 31-12 or anything like that. Maybe they win 89 games if a lot breaks right. Maybe 87. Or maybe it's 84 - 86 like you have it - I wouldn't argue against that being the case at all. I don't think we're having as major a disagreement as you might think. Honestly, to me, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if it's 89-73 vs 85-77. What difference does it make? Hell even 91-71 is unlikely to get a post-season spot at this point and they'd have to go 29-14 just to accomplish that. And if they do, then what? I've made my peace with this season. It is what it is. I really hated hearing that the Yankees were playing "More than a feeling" by Boston in their clubhouse after they got their revenge from least season (as revenge goes I'll take the 2018 Championship and having 2 champagne parties at their house versus what they got against the Sox in 2019 - beating up a relentlessly underachieving mediocre team.) So when the Sox win a game this season it won't excite me and when they lose it won't bother me at all. I'm off the emotional roller coaster. They made it clear what their intentions were this season by the way they let NY dominate them (and that's despite that 3 day joy ride) and the way they let TB crunch them at home. They sucked the joy out of Fenway on ring ceremony day when spirits were high, and they just plain sucked at home most of the year. Hope they don't suck when I take my kid to his first game soon. I'd hate for the memory of his first Fenway game to be disappointing because you always remember the first game at Fenway you ever went to.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 10, 2019 21:40:10 GMT -5
ERod & Sale and pray for hail.
In Conn., Mets are on TV. A real playoff quality team.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 22:33:44 GMT -5
Just noticed we are 13-16 in the 2nd half so far.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 0:38:36 GMT -5
TB won Cleveland lost Twins won Oakland lost
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Post by soxjim on Aug 11, 2019 1:06:09 GMT -5
We don’t know why his hr rate is up. But if home runs are up generally, it seems as likely something else is going on. But either way, it is conjecture. The Cole thing baffles me: how do we know the Sox would get him? How do we know he is a better option? It feels like it is a form of Sale vs. possible-#1-house. Show me a way the Sox made a mistake that involves concrete, better alternatives, and I’ll be in. What if you think it is the f/b? We're not in a court of law. And what do you mean by "Concrete?" I didn't say he stinks though. I said there is "better" imo. I don't see the big deal suggesting that there might be better options. Yes I don't know it's his f/b but I think it is. ANd as I've said I'm wrong most of the time as are many on here. But you can't 100% tell me that I'm wrong, can you? It's not "concrete" that I'm wrong, is it? His f/b is down but his spin rate is fine according to jimed. You don't want to believe okay. It's not unreasonable though to assume that it could be, right? We've watched a lot of baseball in our lives and we've seen some pitchers as the f/b drops they become less and less effective. So it's not unreasonable to think that's what will happen to Sale - whether it is in 2019, 2002 or another. Sooner or later many that throw 96+ when they are young - and pitch for many years will eventually see a drop in velo. I don't know why Cole baffles you. First off you know more than likely they can't get him now, right? That ship has sailed. I was just saying I would have preferred him over Sale even if SOx have to pay more. Second-- the Sox have the highest team salary lately. So if you think Cole is the best option and you can spend with anyone-- you think the best option is to not try to get the best option? For example, how did they know they could get JDM and Price? I think you are looking for 100% assurance but can you "guarantee" with 100% certainty/ i.e concrete evidence that Sale will be 1/2 starter over the next 3 years from 2020 - 2022 including injury possibilities? So your "concrete" assurance you want - I say this respectively coming back at you "If you could show me something concrete that I shouldn't have to worry about a 31 yo who was recently injured last year that he will regaining his fastball over next 3 years along with not being hurt due to his combination of recent injury, age, and violent delivery then I'd be all in." When you make reference to a "mistake" which you suggest imply I made (which might be partially true but the word "mistake" is harsh . . . -- imo that is relative to --> "I think there was a better option." But I don't think Sale is going to stink. Or be a subpar pitcher over the 3 years. Who knows beyond due to injury. I just think there is more risk with Sale than with Cole. Does that mean I think it was a complete mistake to sign Sale? Based on wanting Cole I can be twisted any way you want either calling it a "mistake" or a "preference." I think overpaying for an ACE is okay.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 11, 2019 8:05:23 GMT -5
So much discussion of robot umpires...not enough on the burning question of whether we're sure Mike Trout is not, in fact, a robot. To this day, I remain unconvinced.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 11, 2019 11:53:06 GMT -5
Owings starting at 2B vs. LHP today. Leading off with Betts day off.
Kool
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 11, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -5
oh my god.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 11, 2019 12:36:56 GMT -5
At this point, if you like watching the Red Sox right now, then you like being chained and whipped. It's torture. They're giving you no hope this year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 12:45:38 GMT -5
Hey... let's do something new! Play from behind early at home against an average team!
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 11, 2019 12:45:50 GMT -5
Cashner was a sick addition to this team
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 11, 2019 12:47:17 GMT -5
Let’s just tank.
At least we will get something out of it.
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 11, 2019 12:47:47 GMT -5
Well. Time is definitely running out. It is getting to the point of us needing to play great and other teams hitting the tank in order to get in to playoffs. Every single day these 2 things do not happen.... any hope we have is diminished. If we lose today (looks it) and TB wins today.... kind of lights out
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 12:49:24 GMT -5
Cashner was a sick addition to this team Like a dilapidated beach rental
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Post by coachmac on Aug 11, 2019 12:49:26 GMT -5
Nothing good happens when you walk the 1st 2 batters in an inning. Especially when they're hitting .206 and .147. Then for good measure walk a couple more.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 11, 2019 12:50:06 GMT -5
Yeah, Cashner has given you absolutely nothing. You needed a starter, and you got the absolute worst option. This is on the scouting department and on Dombrowski for this move.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 12:52:01 GMT -5
It's amazing how 3 days in a row the Red Sox have started down 3-0.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 12:52:04 GMT -5
At some point you have to wonder what's going on when you get a guy pitching well on a trash team...we get him and he becomes the trash
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 12:53:07 GMT -5
At some point you have to wonder what's going on when you get a guy pitching well on a trash team...we get him and he becomes the trash Apparently, no one wants to replace the pitching coach.
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