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Post by James Dunne on Aug 8, 2019 21:33:28 GMT -5
I agree whole heartedly on the rest, but really? Honest question. i'm sure you've seen more of him over the last few years. But he's top 15 in XFIP-, SIERA. Top 10% XBA, XSLG. It really seems like he's gotten better over the years as the Sox challenged him more each year. I'm completely fine giving him the ball in high leverage situations. Yeah, I'm still fine with him in high-leverage situations. I think he's had a lot of bad luck (I think three of the first five fly balls he gave up went out of the park, for one thing), but he's also had some localized issues that might not be luck. The biggest problem is that he's really struggled when he's pitched on consecutive days. His peripherals are better than his runs allowed numbers, but they're still notably worse. His strikeout rate drops from 44.4% to (a still good) 31.5%. That makes it hard to build a bullpen around him. I was pretty bullish heading into the season about his ability to anchor a bullpen, whether as a closer or in a less traditional role, but that seems less likely to me now. I think he's still definitely good enough to be a very important reliever on a championship caliber team, but I'm not longer confident he's going to be THE GUY, as it were. So when I say he's been notably worse than I expected, that's partially results but maybe in larger part that I had high (and maybe unfair) expectations for him. One funny thing - for all the talk of his 9th inning trouble, his ERA is actually better in the 9th than in the 7th or 8th. EDIT: Just wanted to clarify for anyone coming into the conversation that this is referring to Barnes. Don't want to be that guy who posts a thing and then readers have to skip back two pages to figure out who the hell I'm talking about.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 8, 2019 21:43:04 GMT -5
This seriously has to be the stupidest thread in the history of the internet. The Red Sox won 108 games last year and eliminated Yankees in Yankee stadium and won the World Series not even a year later we want to get rid of the owner? The gm? The manager? Because we are behind in the wild card standings. This website message board is turning into a dumpster fire. Couldn't agree more. Not sure my why isn't Wally on the list comment was deleted by the mods but it's pretty much an equivalent question. This is the most successful baseball team of the millennium. Can we be any more spoiled ? Didn't stop them from firing Farrell, Francona, "trading" Theo and essentially replacing Cherington.
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Post by beavertontim on Aug 9, 2019 20:10:22 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more. Not sure my why isn't Wally on the list comment was deleted by the mods but it's pretty much an equivalent question. This is the most successful baseball team of the millennium. Can we be any more spoiled ? Didn't stop them from firing Farrell, Francona, "trading" Theo and essentially replacing Cherington. Theo quit mid contract. Francona was going through a tough patch in his life and lost control of the team. I thought Farrell was escorted out a bit prematurely.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2019 20:38:57 GMT -5
Didn't stop them from firing Farrell, Francona, "trading" Theo and essentially replacing Cherington. Theo quit mid contract. Francona was going through a tough patch in his life and lost control of the team. I thought Farrell was escorted out a bit prematurely. Theo wanted to be president and they chose Larry. Theo was already with the Cubs when they, "traded" him. Francona I feel was a very big smear campaign and he wasn't happy with the organization and how they went about getting rid of him. Tough period or not, if the team could have won 1 game in its last 7 they would have been in the playoffs. Incredible collapse that I think should be more on the players. I actually agreed with letting Farrell go. I didn't like him. I thought he was the luckiest person to win a ring. He'll put in a guy with a 20% chance of success and he'd get a clutch base hit. It was insane.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 11, 2019 12:22:47 GMT -5
They fired Farrell and won the World Series. He was on auto-pilot that last year, stopped paying attention to the bullpen and didn’t even bother platooning or pinch-hitting anyone ever. He basically did nothing that whole last season.
The fact Farrell is a Scout for the Reds now should tell you about how lowly he is thought of around the league.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 12:39:04 GMT -5
They fired Farrell and won the World Series. He was on auto-pilot that last year, stopped paying attention to the bullpen and didn’t even bother platooning or pinch-hitting anyone ever. He basically did nothing that whole last season. The fact Farrell is a Scout for the Reds now should tell you about how lowly he is thought of around the league. I remember when he was the pitching coach they couldn't shutup about how awesome he was and how he could either be a manager or a GM. Hilarious.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 12, 2019 14:03:15 GMT -5
To me as soon as they feel Eddie Romero is ready then make the move. I like a lot about DD and he did his job. I mean how many deals did he make and we did good. At the beginning he was doing the 4 for 1 deals. He stopped that. One thing is he had to carry quite a bit of dead money. I personally feel the Sale deal surprised me. On a lower level the Swihart deal was dumb.
This team is young veterans. But we have to be careful moving forward . I like the last couple of drafts. The players and the coach deserve some blame also.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2019 14:12:39 GMT -5
To me as soon as they feel Eddie Romero is ready then make the move. I like a lot about DD and he did his job. I mean how many deals did he make and we did good. At the beginning he was doing the 4 for 1 deals. He stopped that. One thing is he had to carry quite a bit of dead money. I personally feel the Sale deal surprised me. On a lower level the Swihart deal was dumb. This team is young veterans. But we have to be careful moving forward . I like the last couple of drafts. The players and the coach deserve some blame also. What was wrong with the Swihart for Wilson deal?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 12, 2019 14:57:55 GMT -5
To me as soon as they feel Eddie Romero is ready then make the move. I like a lot about DD and he did his job. I mean how many deals did he make and we did good. At the beginning he was doing the 4 for 1 deals. He stopped that. One thing is he had to carry quite a bit of dead money. I personally feel the Sale deal surprised me. On a lower level the Swihart deal was dumb. This team is young veterans. But we have to be careful moving forward . I like the last couple of drafts. The players and the coach deserve some blame also. Swihart was DFA by Arizona so if the Red Sox wanted him back....haha
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Post by beasleyrockah on Aug 12, 2019 15:11:26 GMT -5
Can you imagine how much heat Dombrowski would be taking right now if he dealt Vazquez and kept Swihart before the season started?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 12, 2019 15:29:14 GMT -5
Can you imagine how much heat Dombrowski would be taking right now if he dealt Vazquez and kept Swihart before the season started? Dombrowski clearly made the right call. As a Swihart supporter I had it wrong. I still think if Swihart got a team to commit to him as catcher and let him play the bulk of the time there's a chance he can still develop into a useful player, but if he plays sporadically as he has, his career will never go anywhere. Arizona was using him the same way Boston was. Meanwhile Vazquez has become what the Sox had hoped he would. That was a talent judgment call and both Dombrowski and Cora ultimately made the right call.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 12, 2019 15:38:01 GMT -5
Can you imagine how much heat Dombrowski would be taking right now if he dealt Vazquez and kept Swihart before the season started? Dombrowski clearly made the right call. As a Swihart supporter I had it wrong. I still think if Swihart got a team to commit to him as catcher and let him play the bulk of the time there's a chance he can still develop into a useful player, but if he plays sporadically as he has, his career will never go anywhere. Arizona was using him the same way Boston was. Meanwhile Vazquez has become what the Sox had hoped he would. That was a talent judgment call and both Dombrowski and Cora ultimately made the right call. On the other hand, Swihart's season has been terrible, and yet I'd still seriously consider swapping him in for Leon at this point.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2019 16:40:09 GMT -5
Dombrowski clearly made the right call. As a Swihart supporter I had it wrong. I still think if Swihart got a team to commit to him as catcher and let him play the bulk of the time there's a chance he can still develop into a useful player, but if he plays sporadically as he has, his career will never go anywhere. Arizona was using him the same way Boston was. Meanwhile Vazquez has become what the Sox had hoped he would. That was a talent judgment call and both Dombrowski and Cora ultimately made the right call. On the other hand, Swihart's season has been terrible, and yet I'd still seriously consider swapping him in for Leon at this point. I would love it so much if they did that.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 12, 2019 16:40:18 GMT -5
To me as soon as they feel Eddie Romero is ready then make the move. I like a lot about DD and he did his job. I mean how many deals did he make and we did good. At the beginning he was doing the 4 for 1 deals. He stopped that. One thing is he had to carry quite a bit of dead money. I personally feel the Sale deal surprised me. On a lower level the Swihart deal was dumb. This team is young veterans. But we have to be careful moving forward . I like the last couple of drafts. The players and the coach deserve some blame also. The Swihart deal wasn't dumb at all. With Wilson seeming to figure out AA finally, that deal looks kinda great. You can argue the way they handled Swihart for years was dumb, but the deal was great given what his value was.
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