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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2020 9:13:46 GMT -5
Yeah - it's kind of crazy to me that anyone has their player pool at 60 if many more players have such assignment clauses.
I knew of opt-outs for the 25-man or 40-man roster (If you don't put me on the specific roster, you have to cut me) and upward mobility clauses for each (if you don't put me on the specific roster, you need to offer me to other teams to see if they want to). I did not think players would have assignment clauses (apparently meaning "you need to offer me to other teams who have room on this roster, regardless of whether I'm on yours," if I'm reading things right) for the 60-man Player Pool.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2020 9:17:56 GMT -5
Yeah - it's kind of crazy to me that anyone has their player pool at 60 if many more players have such assignment clauses. I knew of opt-outs for the 25-man or 40-man roster (If you don't put me on the specific roster, you have to cut me) and upward mobility clauses for each (if you don't put me on the specific roster, you need to offer me to other teams to see if they want to). I did not think players would have assignment clauses (apparently meaning "you need to offer me to other teams who have room on this roster, regardless of whether I'm on yours," if I'm reading things right) for the 60-man Player Pool. It does seem strange but I wonder if it is tied to making the 30 man. Either way, good move by Bloom if it was intentional. Cutting Poyner makes it seem so.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 22, 2020 9:23:42 GMT -5
That sounds right, but if it's "you need to add me to the active roster or offer me to another team... who doesn't need to do the same," that seems a bit weird to me. It does make more sense than what I said though!
And it's definitely intentional that they're keeping the roster one short. They've been very methodical about adding to the initial 44 or whatever it was.
And that's not to say that Covey is any great shakes, but the general idea that keeping one less player on the 60-man pool in order to be able to acquire players for nothing seems like a no-brainer.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jul 22, 2020 9:29:17 GMT -5
Covey has had bad LOB% going back to when he was in the minor leagues, so I checked his numbers. In MLB, with men on base opponents are slashing .329/.399/.538. With bases empty, he's at .264/.335/.431. While it's typical to be slightly worse with runners on, this is pretty drastic (Still small sample size territory with a bit over 100 innings in both situations).
Not sure what could be done about that, but it kind of stuck out to me.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2020 9:37:21 GMT -5
Two players that were late to the party because of reworking the contract, Lucroy and one of the minor leauge relievers. I wonder if they were reworking the wording on this exact situation. If so, it might be more common than we think.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2020 9:39:21 GMT -5
Covey has had bad LOB% going back to when he was in the minor leagues, so I checked his numbers. In MLB, with men on base opponents are slashing .329/.399/.538. With bases empty, he's at .264/.335/.431. While it's typical to be slightly worse with runners on, this is pretty drastic (Still small sample size territory with a bit over 100 innings in both situations). Not sure what could be done about that, but it kind of stuck out to me. View him as a lottery ticket. Win big or little lost. The pedigree is there.
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Post by bdub on Jul 22, 2020 11:59:19 GMT -5
hate to sound like a broken record, but we have guys who on a similar stage have performed better. both Daniel McGrath and konner wade
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Post by sittingstill on Jul 22, 2020 15:12:35 GMT -5
"Learned in his physical he had type 1 diabetes"--as a T1 myself, that is utterly insane. He lost 40 pounds in his senior year and thought it was from working out.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2020 23:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 23, 2020 7:39:48 GMT -5
As rosters are finalized, I wonder if more Coveys will appear out of nowhere.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 23, 2020 9:56:11 GMT -5
As expected...
Jon Heyman @jonheyman · 2h Jonathan Arauz, Infielder and Rule 5 pickup from the Astros, has made the Red Sox
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2020 10:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 7, 2020 11:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2020 13:36:25 GMT -5
Can't help but wonder if Todd Van Poppel and Brien Taylor will be signed next.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 13, 2020 15:26:17 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2020 15:30:01 GMT -5
Same but more info:
Pete Abraham @peteabe · 2m #RedSox claimed INF Christian Arroyo off waivers from Cleveland. 40-man roster and player pool are full. Underperforming former 1st round pick. Now with fourth team, only 25. .622 OPS in 71 MLB games.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 13, 2020 15:42:06 GMT -5
Same but more info: Pete Abraham @peteabe · 2m #RedSox claimed INF Christian Arroyo off waivers from Cleveland. 40-man roster and player pool are full. Underperforming former 1st round pick. Now with fourth team, only 25. .622 OPS in 71 MLB games. Interesting.. With Arauz playing well are they making this move for depth in anticipation of moving one of Peraza/Chavis in the next few weeks? Or is this just a claim and see if he pans out?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2020 16:42:49 GMT -5
Bloom has a history with Arroyo from when he was with TB. Presumably just taking a flyer on another free player. A pitcher probably gets optioned tomorrow.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 13, 2020 17:26:09 GMT -5
Arroyo looks like the perfect example of why not to rush guys. His AAA numbers over the last three years are very good. Yet not a ton of PAs. Interesting guy after looking at his scouting reports. There's some upside there it would seem. He just needs playing time. Yet our GM has stocked the system with a bunch of guys like him. If he could only do that with pitchers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2020 20:50:12 GMT -5
Arroyo looks like the perfect example of why not to rush guys. His AAA numbers over the last three years are very good. Yet not a ton of PAs. Interesting guy after looking at his scouting reports. There's some upside there it would seem. He just needs playing time. Yet our GM has stocked the system with a bunch of guys like him. If he could only do that with pitchers.I think he has been but it's too early to judge the results. Guys like Blair, Stock, Covey, Gonsalves, Brice & Valdez all have some degree of upside.
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Post by soxaddict on Aug 13, 2020 20:55:33 GMT -5
He was the top prospect in the Giants system a few years ago. Only 25. Nice pickup.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2020 12:56:14 GMT -5
Arroyo looks like the perfect example of why not to rush guys. His AAA numbers over the last three years are very good. Yet not a ton of PAs. Interesting guy after looking at his scouting reports. There's some upside there it would seem. He just needs playing time. Yet our GM has stocked the system with a bunch of guys like him. If he could only do that with pitchers.I think he has been but it's too early to judge the results. Guys like Blair, Stock, Covey, Gonsalves, Brice & Valdez all have some degree of upside. Gonslaves is the only guy that had dream on me upside and Valdez has looked very good. Not even in the remote area of what he done for utility guys. Like Arroyo likely doesn't workout, yet he's got a chance to be a Holt type guy. Impressive minor league numbers and skill level, who just hasn't had a chance. I'm not impressed with the pitchers outside the two guys I mentioned and he's not allowing our young guys a chance. Like Shawaryn had better minor league numbers than most of these guys. His strikeouts spiked when used as a reliever.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 14, 2020 13:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 13:18:16 GMT -5
I think he has been but it's too early to judge the results. Guys like Blair, Stock, Covey, Gonsalves, Brice & Valdez all have some degree of upside. Gonslaves is the only guy that had dream on me upside and Valdez has looked very good. Not even in the remote area of what he done for utility guys. Like Arroyo likely doesn't workout, yet he's got a chance to be a Holt type guy. Impressive minor league numbers and skill level, who just hasn't had a chance. I'm not impressed with the pitchers outside the two guys I mentioned and he's not allowing our young guys a chance. Like Shawaryn had better minor league numbers than most of these guys. His strikeouts spiked when used as a reliever. Then maybe it's more a case that I am less excited about Arroyo than you. To me, he's basically another piece of spaghetti thrown against the wall. In general, I think Bloom does a good job there with the volume and potential of the players he's dug up so there's more spaghetti and of a higher quality than usual.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 14, 2020 13:29:04 GMT -5
Would have to think the Red Sox will use those 15 spots on more prospect-y type players given how the season is going.
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