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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2020 13:57:19 GMT -5
Gonslaves is the only guy that had dream on me upside and Valdez has looked very good. Not even in the remote area of what he done for utility guys. Like Arroyo likely doesn't workout, yet he's got a chance to be a Holt type guy. Impressive minor league numbers and skill level, who just hasn't had a chance. I'm not impressed with the pitchers outside the two guys I mentioned and he's not allowing our young guys a chance. Like Shawaryn had better minor league numbers than most of these guys. His strikeouts spiked when used as a reliever. Then maybe it's more a case that I am less excited about Arroyo than you. To me, he's basically another piece of spaghetti thrown against the wall. In general, I think Bloom does a good job there with the volume and potential of the players he's dug up so there's more spaghetti and of a higher quality than usual. I'm a stats guy and Arroyo if a former top 100 guy with a career OPS in AAA of almost .850 who can play all three infield spots and hasn't really been given a chance. Like Gonslaves he's the organic gluten free pasta. 😁 We need a few more starter types like Gonslaves and given our record we'll basically have first choice now. Which did hurt us with a few guys early in the year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2020 14:03:18 GMT -5
Would have to think the Red Sox will use those 15 spots on more prospect-y type players given how the season is going. Yeah, I think the point would be that other teams used 60-man spots on prospects who aren't ready and would have to cut them to remove them from the 60-man to bring in real MLB-ready or at least AAAA guys. I'd presume that if the Red Sox added 15 more guys, the list would lean more prospect-y. I can tell you that Casas would for certain be on there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 14:04:07 GMT -5
Then maybe it's more a case that I am less excited about Arroyo than you. To me, he's basically another piece of spaghetti thrown against the wall. In general, I think Bloom does a good job there with the volume and potential of the players he's dug up so there's more spaghetti and of a higher quality than usual. I'm a stats guy and Arroyo if a former top 100 guy with a career OPS in AAA of almost .850 who can play all three infield spots and hasn't really been given a chance. Like Gonslaves he's the organic gluten free pasta. 😁 We need a few more starter types like Gonslaves and given our record we'll basically have first choice now. Which did hurt us with a few guys early in the year. I'm a situations guy and I see two two teams giving up on him. I also see a guy whose peripherals go down between AAA and the majors and is basically a ground ball machine. Can it be fixed ? Sure. I also don't care about glutens and eat a lot of meat and I'm doing just fine thanks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 14:20:39 GMT -5
Monoz has a better chance of contributing to the Sox future than Arroyo.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2020 15:42:03 GMT -5
Monoz has a better chance of contributing to the Sox future than Arroyo. Given that one is on the major league roster and the other is not, I think that's dubious. Not to say that I think Arroyo is any great shakes. Just like how Gonsalves has been thoroughly uninspiring when I've watched him in Pawtucket so far. EDIT: I guess it's not certain that Arroyo will be on the roster now? Whatever, it probably doesn't matter.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2020 16:11:50 GMT -5
Can we get a mini Gonslaves scouting report? Has he not recovered from the elbow injury? Lost his feel for pitching?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 19:19:27 GMT -5
Monoz has a better chance of contributing to the Sox future than Arroyo. Given that one is on the major league roster and the other is not, I think that's dubious. Not to say that I think Arroyo is any great shakes. Just like how Gonsalves has been thoroughly uninspiring when I've watched him in Pawtucket so far. EDIT: I guess it's not certain that Arroyo will be on the roster now? Whatever, it probably doesn't matter. Future generally refers to a later time. Arroyo not on the roster ? He's not on the player list for Gameday. Quarantine ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 15, 2020 10:09:52 GMT -5
Given that one is on the major league roster and the other is not, I think that's dubious. Not to say that I think Arroyo is any great shakes. Just like how Gonsalves has been thoroughly uninspiring when I've watched him in Pawtucket so far. EDIT: I guess it's not certain that Arroyo will be on the roster now? Whatever, it probably doesn't matter. Future generally refers to a later time. Arroyo not on the roster ? He's not on the player list for Gameday. Quarantine ? Intake process in Boston. The initial reporting was that he was going to join the team in New York once he completed intake. My edit referred to the fact that I saw more equivocal reporting saying maybe he gets put on waivers after intake.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 15, 2020 10:45:38 GMT -5
BBA is reporting that the MLB is considering bumping the roster pool up to 75 players. This would help with player development and help them be able to play actual games. Depending on how soon this decision would be made (trade deadline is approaching) I think you’d see teams use these extra 15 spots for more younger prospects. Helps get their lower level prospects back in an organized baseball setting and possible gets them more exposure to other teams now that video and stats are possibly going to be shared.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 15, 2020 14:35:37 GMT -5
BBA is reporting that the MLB is considering bumping the roster pool up to 75 players. This would help with player development and help them be able to play actual games. Depending on how soon this decision would be made (trade deadline is approaching) I think you’d see teams use these extra 15 spots for more younger prospects. Helps get their lower level prospects back in an organized baseball setting and possible gets them more exposure to other teams now that video and stats are possibly going to be shared. Would imagine Casas and the draftees would be the first ones on the "next in" list.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 3, 2020 15:11:52 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline had him as the Phillies #24 prospect, BA had him at #20. Seems like a legit prospect and he's still only 24. We'll see if he can play, but seems like a savvy move by Chaim.
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Post by wildsox on Sept 3, 2020 15:19:56 GMT -5
Interesting move. He was 24th on the Phillies Top Prospects on MLB so really a nice pickup for free.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 3, 2020 15:55:52 GMT -5
Grullon was considered to be the top catching prospect in the 2012-13 international signing class and ended up signing with the Phillies in June 2013 for $575,000. [...] Offensively, Grullon is all about power from the right side of the plate. He’s topped 20 homers in each of the last two seasons thanks to hard contact and good exit velocities combined with high launch angle. He can drive the ball to all fields, with more of his home runs in 2019 actually going to the opposite field. With his power stroke comes a fairly high strikeout rate, though his walk rate went up as well in Triple-A. Grullon’s overall defensive skills are acceptable, but he needs to continue to work on his receiving and blocking. He does have one of the strongest arms in the system, which has helped him throw out baserunners in the past, though he wasn’t as efficient in 2019. Now 24, he could fit the power bat/arm backup backstop profile well if given the opportunity. www.mlb.com/prospects/phillies/deivy-grullon-620453
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2020 16:04:28 GMT -5
Grullon was considered to be the top catching prospect in the 2012-13 international signing class and ended up signing with the Phillies in June 2013 for $575,000. [...] Offensively, Grullon is all about power from the right side of the plate. He’s topped 20 homers in each of the last two seasons thanks to hard contact and good exit velocities combined with high launch angle. He can drive the ball to all fields, with more of his home runs in 2019 actually going to the opposite field. With his power stroke comes a fairly high strikeout rate, though his walk rate went up as well in Triple-A. Grullon’s overall defensive skills are acceptable, but he needs to continue to work on his receiving and blocking. He does have one of the strongest arms in the system, which has helped him throw out baserunners in the past, though he wasn’t as efficient in 2019. Now 24, he could fit the power bat/arm backup backstop profile well if given the opportunity. www.mlb.com/prospects/phillies/deivy-grullon-620453Savvy move by Bloom. What are Phillies doing? Falling asleep at the wheel? They overpaid for a month of Workman and a year of Hembree and lost Grullon for nothing. Grullon could be a solid backup and even have an outside shot at being a regular. It was strange how his BB and K both shot up while his BA even got better. It could help set them up to trade Vazquez over the winter - if you believe that Vazquez is a sub-.700 OPS guy nearing the wrong side of 30. What's nice is that the Red Sox had absolutely nothing in the minors for catching and now they got two power guys between Wong and Grullon, although both are probably backups. Maybe I'm getting two excited about this. I mean I was a bit too overjoyed when they got Salty and about 16 years earlier when Dan Duquette picked up Rich Rowland.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 4, 2020 5:29:08 GMT -5
The sim game announcers had positive comments about Grullon. They've seen him (Reading ?). They said the bat is real and sounded surprised he was cut.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 4, 2020 6:54:42 GMT -5
Strikes out a lot, hits for a good amount of power. Its a great move since its at no cost to the team and catchers tend to take longer to develop. Could have something here. I'm impressed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2020 8:45:14 GMT -5
Everything I've heard is ceiling of a backup but at worst an up-and-down guy. Nice pickup. I don't love what I've read about his receiving, but the arm and pop are apparently there.
I daresay losing a player like this on waivers is the kind of lack-of-attention-to-detail-on-the-fringes thing that would've happened to the Red Sox under Dombrowski.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2020 14:48:40 GMT -5
Marcus Wilson is en route to Pawtucket and will be added to the CPP.
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Post by Addam603 on Sept 5, 2020 10:34:34 GMT -5
At what point can the Red Sox bring up guys without this year counting as part of their service time? Have we already hit that or is that still to come? I ask because I don’t see how Peraza still has a spot on this team as opposed to CI Chatham. I get that he’s still controlled through 2022, but at his price tag I see him being non-tendered this offseason. So at this point, why keep him? Cut bait and give Chatham a chance at the major league level. He’s already on the 40 man and this is a lost season. Give the young guy some run to see how he performs in the big leagues.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
I think they might be looking to give Chavis some run here to figure out what he is first. Makes some sense. The problem is that Dalbec needs to get his act together too. He's about to whiff his way back to Pawtucket. I'm all for letting him work through things, but he needs to do better than 11 K in 19 PA. At this point the move might become Dalbec down, Chavis full-time 1B, and Chatham up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 14:05:35 GMT -5
I say you start both Chavis and Dalbec everyday going forward. Find a way, play Chavis at 2B, play him in the OF, play Dalbec at third some and DH. They might suck but they need the experience. As of right now I'm starting both guys in AAA to start next year unless something happens. Yet let's see if they can find a grove, maybe change that projection.
Peraza getting the run he has is one of the biggest head scratching things this season. He's a known player. I just don't get it, you can at least dream on Chavis at 2B.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 5, 2020 17:30:14 GMT -5
I say you start both Chavis and Dalbec everyday going forward. Find a way, play Chavis at 2B, play him in the OF, play Dalbec at third some and DH. They might suck but they need the experience. As of right now I'm starting both guys in AAA to start next year unless something happens. Yet let's see if they can find a grove, maybe change that projection. Peraza getting the run he has is one of the biggest head scratching things this season. He's a known player. I just don't get it, you can at least dream on Chavis at 2B. Peraza was not a known player. He was a guy who had a really solid year (2.5 bWAR), then struggled, and they thought they could fix him. He'll get PT until they give up on that.
I would like to see Chavis every day and as much at 2B as possible.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 6, 2020 19:48:21 GMT -5
I say you start both Chavis and Dalbec everyday going forward. Find a way, play Chavis at 2B, play him in the OF, play Dalbec at third some and DH. They might suck but they need the experience. As of right now I'm starting both guys in AAA to start next year unless something happens. Yet let's see if they can find a grove, maybe change that projection. Peraza getting the run he has is one of the biggest head scratching things this season. He's a known player. I just don't get it, you can at least dream on Chavis at 2B. Peraza was not a known player. He was a guy who had a really solid year (2.5 bWAR), then struggled, and they thought they could fix him. He'll get PT until they give up on that.
I would like to see Chavis every day and as much at 2B as possible.
His almost 750 games in the majors and AAA disagree, versus a 100 games were he actually had power. I get giving him a try, yet the ship has sailed. If Peraza isn't a known player, then basically no one is.
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2020 19:59:25 GMT -5
Peraza was not a known player. He was a guy who had a really solid year (2.5 bWAR), then struggled, and they thought they could fix him. He'll get PT until they give up on that.
I would like to see Chavis every day and as much at 2B as possible.
His almost 750 games in the majors and AAA disagree, versus a 100 games were he actually had power. I get giving him a try, yet the ship has sailed. If Peraza isn't a known player, then basically no one is. He has had one 2.5 bWAR season, but it is sandwiched between 3 negative bWAR seasons. I am a believer in flukes. That said, I agree with eric in this case that he likely *could* be better than he looks. After all, he is still actually not old, and the fluctuations between age 23-25 might not represent his peak performance. But I’m not sure the Sox can afford to be the team to let him straighten out. They really need to have some games with Devers at 3rd, Chavis at 2nd, and Dalbec 1st. I can live with Peraza out of position in left, I guess, since winning no longer matters.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 6, 2020 22:11:11 GMT -5
Peraza was not a known player. He was a guy who had a really solid year (2.5 bWAR), then struggled, and they thought they could fix him. He'll get PT until they give up on that.
I would like to see Chavis every day and as much at 2B as possible.
His almost 750 games in the majors and AAA disagree, versus a 100 games were he actually had power. I get giving him a try, yet the ship has sailed. If Peraza isn't a known player, then basically no one is. His almost 750 games in the majors and AAA disagree, versus a 100 games were he actually had power. I get giving him a try, yet the ship has sailed. If Peraza isn't a known player, then basically no one is. He has had one 2.5 bWAR season, but it is sandwiched between 3 negative bWAR seasons. I am a believer in flukes. That said, I agree with eric in this case that he likely *could* be better than he looks. After all, he is still actually not old, and the fluctuations between age 23-25 might not represent his peak performance. But I’m not sure the Sox can afford to be the team to let him straighten out. They really need to have some games with Devers at 3rd, Chavis at 2nd, and Dalbec 1st. I can live with Peraza out of position in left, I guess, since winning no longer matters. Two more data points.
1. Chaim Bloom is in possession of not only all the data that's online, but much proprietary data, and has had (first with the Rays and then with the Sox) a team of expert data analysts, some of whom also understand the game of baseball and, like Bloom, can draw insights from the data.
2. Chaim Bloom signed Peraza to be the Red Sox new starting 2B, among a host of alternatives, including what I believed was the obvious choice, re-signing Brock Holt to a below-market deal (which would have been dirt-cheap).
Point 2 shows that the good year was not regarded as a fluke by Bloom, and when combined with point 1, is close to proof that it was not.
I know that "have faith in the GM because he knows rather more about baseball than you" can be a difficult principle to practice, but I believe the first post I quoted violates it more obviously than is usual.
Some numbers ... Peraza's Barrel% in 2018 was 62% higher than the rest of his career. There was a 1 in 18 chance when we signed him that his Barrel% split was random. That's suggestive rather than convincing, a reason to take a deeper look at him. Which they did.
Oh, he's sporting the highest Barrel% of his career this year (in a SSS of course), and ranks 28th among 210 hitters (minimum 100 PA) in un-"luckiest" wOBA - xwOBA. He's been somewhat less bad than his results, another reason to keep looking at him.
I think a very likely outcome is a non-tender and a ml contract. We showed faith in him, we've been working with him to try to turn him into his 2018 self and that work is obviously not complete. Other teams are unlikely to offer him a 40-man roster spot given all the uncertainty from this year's small MLB sample sizes and the absence of a minor league season.
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