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MLB Playoffs - World Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 24, 2020 23:31:37 GMT -5
nice win probability chart
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 24, 2020 23:50:20 GMT -5
Taylor and Smith will rightfully get a lot of the blame for that play, but I thought the relay throw was away from the catcher and what the heck is Jansen doing there? Like, what is he even covering? Amazing how everyone involved in this play messed up. If Kershaw brings his classic post-season stuff tomorrow then the Dodgers need to be disbanded.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2020 0:12:29 GMT -5
Just WOW!!!
That was one of the most exciting World Series ballgames I've ever seen!
When Kenley got those two corner(ish) pitches on both sides of the plates called strikes by the ump, I figured that Phillips had absolutely no chance and that Kenley would work the corners and even if he was off the corners, Phillips would have it in his head that he had to swing - so I figured he was a strikeout waiting to happen.
It was shocking that Kenley threw it over the plate and Phillips got that big line drive hit, Taylor booted the ball and then the short relay to home was missed by Smith who's doing a swipe tap of the runner who's not even there because he fell down like he was Luis Aparicio, but Arozarena got away with it - because EVERYTHING is going that guy's way.
Just incredible. I've gotta say - I thought LA would take the Series in 5 games. Not happening now, and there's pressure on them to win Game 5 because the matchup in Game 6 for the Dodgers is kind of dicey. The Rays have Blake Snell going and the Dodgers have either Dustin May or Tony Gonsolin going and both have been struggling. I do think this is the Series where Kershaw will have his 2018 David Price moment, but we'll see.
Meanwhile, Anderson, Fairbanks, and Castillo look like they're overworked and tired, so who knows how this goes? Not that the Dodgers' pen has been any great shakes. I think if it goes 7 Buehler will shut down the Rays, but I have to say this: Tampa has a ton of guts.
I mean, they were even with the Yankees until Brosseau hit his HR in the 8th inning of Game 5 to decide the ALDS.
They blew a 3-0 game lead and lived to tell about it. They recovered in Game 7 instead of being shattered by blowing that huge lead. From what I hear David Ortiz say, he told a story about a reporter going into both the Yankees and Sox locker rooms before Game 7 and he said the Sox locker room was a fiesta and the Yankees locker room was like a funeral. The point being that the Rays did not behave like the Yankees. They won anyways.
Now in a Series where it seems obvious to me that LA is a lot better than TB, here they are finding ways to win the games they absolutely need to win. I thought the Rays offense was HR or nothing - or more specifically Arozarena or nothing, but Lowe has hit some big homers, Kiermaier had a good game, Choi gets those important walks, and we'll never forget what Brett Phillips did.
This is why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
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Post by dd on Oct 25, 2020 0:14:58 GMT -5
Only 1 "Error" on the play but anywhere from 3 to 5 errors depending on how granular you want to get:
1) The initial miss by Taylor. 2a) The wide throw to home. 2b) Smith trying to catch the ball while sweeping to tag the runner who wasn't there 2c) resulting in missing the ball. 3) Spectator Jansen being out on the field instead of in the stands.
Agree that it may be the most amazing (read "ridiculous") play ever to end a WS game.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2020 0:17:44 GMT -5
Only 1 "Error" on the play but anywhere from 3 to 5 errors depending on how granular you want to get: 1) The initial miss by Taylor. 2a) The wide throw to home. 2b) Smith trying to catch the ball while sweeping to tag the runner who wasn't there 2c) resulting in missing the ball. 3) Spectator Jansen being out on the field instead of in the stands. Agree that it may be the most amazing (read "ridiculous") play ever to end a WS game. Yes too all, although I can think of another epic "ridiculous" play to end a WS game that I wanted to forget - it involves am injured veteran 1b missing a slow roller through his legs after 3 straight hits and a wild pitch that ticked off the catcher's glove, all happening after the scoreboard operator accidentally "rewarded" the World Series championship to a team about to break a 68 year drought, and no that team didn't win - they had to wait another 18 years, but boy was it worth it!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 25, 2020 1:48:08 GMT -5
Only 1 "Error" on the play but anywhere from 3 to 5 errors depending on how granular you want to get: 1) The initial miss by Taylor. 2a) The wide throw to home. 2b) Smith trying to catch the ball while sweeping to tag the runner who wasn't there 2c) resulting in missing the ball. 3) Spectator Jansen being out on the field instead of in the stands. Agree that it may be the most amazing (read "ridiculous") play ever to end a WS game. There should probably be a 1a, also. Not only does Taylor miss the pickup, it appears that he also kicks the ball away. Chaos ensues.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2020 2:43:19 GMT -5
Ball also bounced off the home plate ump's leg.
Sooooo, Kershaw May take the day off ?
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 25, 2020 3:49:52 GMT -5
How great was that game? No one here has yet mentioned that runs scored in eight consecutive half-innings, with the last four changing leads twice, then tying and untyting it. Or that ridiculous bloop hits scored the Dodger's 7th run and set up the Rays' comeback.
The Dodgers hit .563 / .588 / 1.000 with 2 outs (9/16, BB, 2B, 2 HR). They got one last 2-out hit in the 9th and it ended up reducing that slash line!
At 6.69, this was far and away the highest leverage Brett Phillips had ever encountered. He had three previous PA with LI of 4 something. And he is now 3/4, 3B in his four most important PA, and has hit .198 otherwise.
Love this game.
Arozarena falling down should negate Taylor's error. And even though Muncy's throw was wide, it was totally catchable. So I wonder if they'll change the error to Smith.
Dodgers have now made 5 errors in their last 9 games this post-season, versus 0 by their opponents.
Meanwhile, Smoltz went on and on about the excellence of Seager's bloop hit, and, yes, sometime guys do poke a bloop by skill ... but this one was off the trademark or even to the handle side of it; pure luck.
And what percentage of his commentary is overly familiar blather about various intangibles, as opposed to actual analysis?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2020 4:42:25 GMT -5
If the Dodgers don't win the series, maybe ownership will punish the players by hiring Bobby Valentine as the next manager.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 25, 2020 5:53:30 GMT -5
Looks like I missed a all time classic. Ohh well.
Pretty much my take without watching is Kenley Jansen isn't really good anymore. He shouldn't be the Dodger's closer. He'll be the one to do them in if they don't win.
You got to close that game out and he couldn't put anyone away.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 25, 2020 6:41:45 GMT -5
Only 1 "Error" on the play but anywhere from 3 to 5 errors depending on how granular you want to get: 1) The initial miss by Taylor. 2a) The wide throw to home. 2b) Smith trying to catch the ball while sweeping to tag the runner who wasn't there 2c) resulting in missing the ball. 3) Spectator Jansen being out on the field instead of in the stands. Agree that it may be the most amazing (read "ridiculous") play ever to end a WS game. I think we can all agree that Mookie should have been in position to get Taylor's kick into right field and throw home. Jeter would have been there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2020 6:48:40 GMT -5
The Dodgers have to be on track to set a record for 2 out runs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2020 7:02:19 GMT -5
LOL, 2021 ROY. Houck or Arozarena.
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 25, 2020 9:36:29 GMT -5
How great was that game? No one here has yet mentioned that runs scored in eight consecutive half-innings, with the last four changing leads twice, then tying and untyting it. Or that ridiculous bloop hits scored the Dodger's 7th run and set up the Rays' comeback.
The Dodgers hit .563 / .588 / 1.000 with 2 outs (9/16, BB, 2B, 2 HR). They got one last 2-out hit in the 9th and it ended up reducing that slash line! At 6.69, this was far and away the highest leverage Brett Phillips had ever encountered. He had three previous PA with LI of 4 something. And he is now 3/4, 3B in his four most important PA, and has hit .198 otherwise.
Love this game. Arozarena falling down should negate Taylor's error. And even though Muncy's throw was wide, it was totally catchable. So I wonder if they'll change the error to Smith. Dodgers have now made 5 errors in their last 9 games this post-season, versus 0 by their opponents.
Meanwhile, Smoltz went on and on about the excellence of Seager's bloop hit, and, yes, sometime guys do poke a bloop by skill ... but this one was off the trademark or even to the handle side of it; pure luck. And what percentage of his commentary is overly familiar blather about various intangibles, as opposed to actual analysis?
All I could think about with that Seager hit was Jorge Posada...
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 25, 2020 9:55:01 GMT -5
Do catchers getting throws from RF usually not have enough sense as to where the runner is? Legit question because I’ve heard some go into detail about what they knew the runner was going to do, like a fade slide, or something more direct. I assumed the sswipe tags were when they knew it was a last resort.
Then you have Smith here not even sure the runner was 30 feet away. Did he look at him rounding third then focus on the throw and sense from timing that he should be there?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 25, 2020 11:23:50 GMT -5
That was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen. Terrific drama throughout.
As for those who've asked about other crazy WS game finishes, it was at least the craziest since 2013:
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 25, 2020 11:45:34 GMT -5
Do catchers getting throws from RF usually not have enough sense as to where the runner is? Legit question because I’ve heard some go into detail about what they knew the runner was going to do, like a fade slide, or something more direct. I assumed the sswipe tags were when they knew it was a last resort. Then you have Smith here not even sure the runner was 30 feet away. Did he look at him rounding third then focus on the throw and sense from timing that he should be there? Yeah, I think it has to be the latter. The replay from the CF camera doesn't pick him up till Muncy's throw is on the way, so we don't know for sure.
There's an alternate reality where that's a great sweep tag at the plate and the Dodgers win in extras and Taylor is a lauded for starting the key relay after the error. And of course one where Smith catches the throw, comically sweeps thin air, then tags out Arozarena and they win in extras.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2020 13:25:23 GMT -5
That was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen. Terrific drama throughout. As for those who've asked about other crazy WS game finishes, it was at least the craziest since 2013: Yes, thank you. Can't believe I forgot that. The next night was a little nutty too. You might recall the Sox clinging to a 4-2 lead with 2 outs in the 9th and Beltran representing the tying run, and Tim McCarver wondering why in the hell the Sox would have Napoli holding Kolten Wong on the 1b bag (which was very fair to wonder). Then of course Koji picked him off. That was bizarre. I think the cameraman missed the play initially.
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Post by dd on Oct 25, 2020 18:32:03 GMT -5
That was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen. Terrific drama throughout. As for those who've asked about other crazy WS game finishes, it was at least the craziest since 2013: I'd forgotten that Chris. I wouldn't thank you for reminding me except that it all turned out well! :-) We'll see if the Dodger fans remember this in a few years. Edit: typo.
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Post by dd on Oct 25, 2020 18:33:29 GMT -5
Only 1 "Error" on the play but anywhere from 3 to 5 errors depending on how granular you want to get: 1) The initial miss by Taylor. 2a) The wide throw to home. 2b) Smith trying to catch the ball while sweeping to tag the runner who wasn't there 2c) resulting in missing the ball. 3) Spectator Jansen being out on the field instead of in the stands. Agree that it may be the most amazing (read "ridiculous") play ever to end a WS game. Yes too all, although I can think of another epic "ridiculous" play to end a WS game that I wanted to forget - it involves am injured veteran 1b missing a slow roller through his legs after 3 straight hits and a wild pitch that ticked off the catcher's glove, all happening after the scoreboard operator accidentally "rewarded" the World Series championship to a team about to break a 68 year drought, and no that team didn't win - they had to wait another 18 years, but boy was it worth it! Only an honorable mention since only one error (big or little E) was made. Edit: (another) typo.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 25, 2020 19:58:49 GMT -5
Horrible strike three call on wendle took the bat out of his hands.
Add. A better throw by betts Diaz is out by ten feet
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 25, 2020 20:42:18 GMT -5
Rays catch a break. Margot looked like he came off for a fraction of a second
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 25, 2020 20:44:33 GMT -5
Margot is a spark plug
and then he made a big yikes, though a very close play trying to steal home
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 25, 2020 20:58:35 GMT -5
Margot is a spark plug and then he made a big yikes, though a very close play trying to steal home Not really sure why that would be a yikes. On third with two outs and the bottom of the order up seems like the time to take that risk, and he was very nearly safe.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 25, 2020 21:29:24 GMT -5
Not his best outing but a good one nonetheless. Kershaw did what he had to do. I think it was a quick hook.
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