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MLB Playoffs - World Series Thread
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2020 22:28:25 GMT -5
Betts is like LeBron.... where he goes, titles follow. Sox better hope they aren’t Cleveland. U know Cleveland got a ship right?
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Post by manfred on Oct 27, 2020 22:31:34 GMT -5
Betts is like LeBron.... where he goes, titles follow. Sox better hope they aren’t Cleveland. U know Cleveland got a ship right? That was my point. It was.... with... LeBron. You think Kevin Love taking them back?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2020 22:32:45 GMT -5
U know Cleveland got a ship right? That was my point. It was.... with... LeBron. You think Kevin Love taking them back? Lol, I’m perfectly fine with the Sox future. We have playoffs in our very near future
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2020 22:35:28 GMT -5
baseball is not basketball
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Post by manfred on Oct 27, 2020 22:37:17 GMT -5
baseball is not basketball It is a metaphor. I have noticed the balls are different colors.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2020 22:38:14 GMT -5
baseball is not basketball It is a metaphor. I have noticed the balls are different colors. the impact one player can have is not the same.
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Post by manfred on Oct 27, 2020 22:38:43 GMT -5
It is a metaphor. I have noticed the balls are different colors. the impact one player can have is not the same. m Still a metaphor.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2020 22:38:50 GMT -5
Urias is nasty congrats to the dodgers!! Good for kershaw Good for Roberts Good for magic. Good for mookie
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2020 22:39:21 GMT -5
congrats to the dodgers, and former sox connections mookie, dave roberts, and joe kelly
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2020 22:42:37 GMT -5
The Snell decision is going to get the headlines, which is probably fair. But the Rays didn't get a guy past second base off of six relievers after Gonsolin left the game in the second.
Extremely happy for Mookie Betts.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2020 22:45:24 GMT -5
Hey Chaim time to get to work!!!
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Post by cdj on Oct 27, 2020 22:49:58 GMT -5
And just like that Cora is no longer under suspension
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2020 22:50:26 GMT -5
wow, Fox just announced Turner received a positive Covid test mid-game and that's why he was pulled.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2020 22:52:39 GMT -5
LOL the limited fans there are enough for some pretty loud boos directed at Manfred
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 27, 2020 23:03:43 GMT -5
Betts is like LeBron.... where he goes, titles follow. Sox better hope they aren’t Cleveland. Well we have 8 other titles, including 3 this century. On another note, is it possible to add a Thumbs down option for this Clown, Fake Sox Fan?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 27, 2020 23:05:25 GMT -5
i am just happy the MFY didn't win.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 27, 2020 23:06:48 GMT -5
wow, Fox just announced Turner received a positive Covid test mid-game and that's why he was pulled. i think it is only fair they replay this game then. HAHAHA could be a superspeader event. Can they even celebate in the clubhouse ??
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Post by manfred on Oct 27, 2020 23:07:42 GMT -5
How did he get a positive test midgame? That is crazy. Did they do pregame tests so late they didn’t get results on time? Or did they actually test him midgame?
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Post by manfred on Oct 27, 2020 23:08:06 GMT -5
Betts is like LeBron.... where he goes, titles follow. Sox better hope they aren’t Cleveland. Well we have 8 other titles, including 3 this century. On another note, is it possible to add a Thumbs down option for this Clown, Fake Sox Fan? 🙄
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 27, 2020 23:23:36 GMT -5
Congratulations to the World Series Champion Dodgers. They were the best team and deserved it. And they were greatly helped out when Kevin Cash yanked Blake Snell out too damn early and that's not second guessing. I was complaining about it the instant he made the move.
It's aggravating to me how quick managers today are to yank the starter immediately. It's like a guy has to pitch a perfect game to remain in the game. He was mowing down the hitter and gave up a hit with 1 out and a relatively low pitch count and had overpowered Betts and Seager earlier in the game. Anderson and Fairbanks had been shaky lately. At that point I felt all that was standing between the Dodgers and the Championship was Snell and when Cash removed him that barrier was gone.
Conversely, Dave Roberts made the smart move. Instead of the knee jerk reactionary move of putting his closer Jansen into the game, he let Urias, who was unhittable, close out the Series. Great move and it paid off.
I'm really happy for Dave Roberts, who coincidentally won his other World Series exactly 16 years ago to the day earlier - Oct 27, 2004.
And of course, I'm happy for Mookie and Joe Kelly as well. I have a feeling no matter what happens the Dodgers will not regret the deal or signing him. When the Rays threw home to get him you knew he'd be safe, and talk about deja vu - when he homered in the Red Sox clincher in 2018, his HR made it 3-1. Tonight his HR in the Dodger clincher made it 3-1.
I'm also happy for the forever Dodgers, like Vin Scully, Tommy LaSorda, and Sandy Koufax, who lived long enough to enjoy another Dodgers championship. They could see more.
So historically, the Dodgers become the 2nd team to win a World Series 100 years after they lost the World Series. In 1912 the NY Giants lost to the Red Sox and in 2012 the SF Giants swept the Tigers. In 1920 the Brooklyn Robins (now the LA Dodgers) lost to the Cleveland Indians in the World Series, and 100 years later, they are champs against TB.
The only team to win a World Series 100 years apart is the Red Sox, having beat the Cubs in 1918 and the Dodgers in 2018. They were robbed of the opportunity to win the Series (some say they retained the title from 1903 or are default champions of 1904) when the Giants refused to play the Boston Americans in 1904 but 100 years later the Red Sox beat the Cardinals in 2004.
Now with the news of Turner testing positive, I hope the nobody else on that team has Covid! Ahh....so 2020
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 27, 2020 23:48:29 GMT -5
Congratulations to the World Series Champion Dodgers. They were the best team and deserved it. And they were greatly helped out when Kevin Cash yanked Blake Snell out too damn early and that's not second guessing. I was complaining about it the instant he made the move. It's aggravating to me how quick managers today are to yank the starter immediately. It's like a guy has to pitch a perfect game to remain in the game. He was mowing down the hitter and gave up a hit with 1 out and a relatively low pitch count and had overpowered Betts and Seager earlier in the game. Anderson and Fairbanks had been shaky lately. At that point I felt all that was standing between the Dodgers and the Championship was Snell and when Cash removed him that barrier was gone. Conversely, Dave Roberts made the smart move. Instead of the knee jerk reactionary move of putting his closer Jansen into the game, he let Urias, who was unhittable, close out the Series. Great move and it paid off. I'm really happy for Dave Roberts, who coincidentally won his other World Series exactly 16 years ago to the day earlier - Oct 27, 2004. And of course, I'm happy for Mookie and Joe Kelly as well. I have a feeling no matter what happens the Dodgers will not regret the deal or signing him. When the Rays threw home to get him you knew he'd be safe, and talk about deja vu - when he homered in the Red Sox clincher in 2018, his HR made it 3-1. Tonight his HR in the Dodger clincher made it 3-1. I'm also happy for the forever Dodgers, like Vin Scully, Tommy LaSorda, and Sandy Koufax, who lived long enough to enjoy another Dodgers championship. They could see more. So historically, the Dodgers become the 2nd team to win a World Series 100 years after they lost the World Series. In 1912 the NY Giants lost to the Red Sox and in 2012 the SF Giants swept the Tigers. In 1920 the Brooklyn Robins (now the LA Dodgers) lost to the Cleveland Indians in the World Series, and 100 years later, they are champs against TB. The only team to win a World Series 100 years apart is the Red Sox, having beat the Cubs in 1918 and the Dodgers in 2018. They were robbed of the opportunity to win the Series (some say they retained the title from 1903 or are default champions of 1904) when the Giants refused to play the Boston Americans in 1904 but 100 years later the Red Sox beat the Cardinals in 2004. Now with the news of Turner testing positive, I hope the nobody else on that team has Covid! Ahh....so 2020 Cash's Cash-Snell misfortune = Grady Little-Pedro Martinez inverted. I bet the results in managerial removal will also be inverted, i.e., Grady gone, Cash staying.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 27, 2020 23:59:13 GMT -5
How did he get a positive test midgame? That is crazy. Did they do pregame tests so late they didn’t get results on time? Or did they actually test him midgame? The lab results came mid game. They pulled him as soon as they found out. The Dodgers are one of baseball's premier teams. They broke the color barrier. They left New York (rightfully so). They found the best pitcher's in the sport in Pedro Martinez, Kershaw, Koufax, Venezuela, and Hershiser. Fitting they're back on top after going for it with Mookie. It's good for the health of the game spending wise that the Dodgers won and the non spending Ray's lost. Forces them to move and spend more money if they ever want to win. Plus, I hate the Ray's.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2020 0:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 28, 2020 1:42:30 GMT -5
there you go. New School v Old Skool managing. Which is better ?? False dichotomy. there you go. New School v Old Skool managing. Which is better ?? I mean, there are probably "new school" managers who wouldn't have pulled Snell there. I don't think Cora would have done that, for example. Exactly. Whatever analytics model said take out Snell and put in Anderson should be taken behind the barn. I mean, Anderson of all people. 6 straight games with a run! Guess they aren't using a Bayesian model... If you look at the numbers put up by everyone, a guy struggling like Anderson has been is not expected to struggle in his next outing. A cold streak like that has almost no predictive value. Cash knows that.
When a guy has unusual splits in a small sample, like Mookie did this year vs. LHP, they are as a rule much less predictive than you'd think. Cash knows that as well.
There may have been times-around-the-order splits for teams like the Dodgers facing a guy like Snell who was dealing that indicated that leaving him in was a bad idea (although in fact I can't find any).
The thing is, however ...
- This was not a guy like Blake Snell who was being dominant. It was Blake Snell, specifically.
- This was not a guy like Nick Anderson who had gone from being unhittable to sort of awful, it was actually Nick Anderson.
- This wasn't a guy like Mookie Betts who had strange splits in a small sample size, it was explicitly Mookie Betts.
- This wasn't a lineup like the Dodgers that was being faced for the 3rd time, it was a specific group of hitters.
There is a mistake made frequently by sabermetricians that I call Statistical Correctness. SC regards players as random number generators who have a certain innate set of probabilities. Amazingly, however, they are actually human beings. Some of their variation from game to game is essentially random and some of it is real.
The funny thing is, I was planning to write this entire screed as an explanation for why Alex Cora is a such a great manager. He did in his first year what Dave Roberts didn't learn until his fifth:
"The manager who can combine sabermetrics with instincts and heart-feeling will be where Dave Roberts is right now"--Papi in the the post-game.
You start with all the analytic knowledge available. You then make the optimal set of decisions. But to do that, a manager needs to examine all current changes from expected performance, and separate the real from the random. You can do that with scouting, you can do that with analytics, but above all you have to consider all of your players as human beings.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 28, 2020 1:52:26 GMT -5
Twenty years now in this century and 14 different clubs have a championship.
The Red Sox were the first to win two, the first to win three, and are the only team to have won four.
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