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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 12, 2021 15:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -5
Seems the only teams linked to him so far are AL teams. Wonder if teams are still hopeful on his bat but not so hopeful his defense rebounds? Not saying anyone is pegging him as a DH only player but could at least give him a few days off a week as DH with the uncertainty of the DH in the NL.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 12, 2021 15:44:27 GMT -5
Shopping Beni should be a surprise to no one. It is unfortunate, but the loss of production was obvious and acute. I will always hope that he rebounds, but would not be upset if it was with another team. The Sox can afford to take this risk right now, and hope for a decent return in areas, like pitching, where they would like to improve.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 12, 2021 16:16:44 GMT -5
Shopping Beni should be a surprise to no one. It is unfortunate, but the loss of production was obvious and acute. I will always hope that he rebounds, but would not be upset if it was with another team. The Sox can afford to take this risk right now, and hope for a decent return in areas, like pitching, where they would like to improve. I'm stunned they are. This is selling at his lowest point and he's about to get "expensive". What can you possibly expect for a realistic return?
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Post by cdj on Jan 12, 2021 16:26:21 GMT -5
I bet that mystery AL team is the White Sox
Didn’t they love him in the draft process and want him in the Sale deal? I think they still have a possible opening in the OF iirc too
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 12, 2021 16:28:44 GMT -5
Shopping Beni should be a surprise to no one. It is unfortunate, but the loss of production was obvious and acute. I will always hope that he rebounds, but would not be upset if it was with another team. The Sox can afford to take this risk right now, and hope for a decent return in areas, like pitching, where they would like to improve. I'm stunned they are. This is selling at his lowest point and he's about to get "expensive". What can you possibly expect for a realistic return? i am not sure you can just arbitrarily decide that this is his low point. From a production standpoint, you are right, but you have to wait until the return to determine what value he has. It seems there is a lot of interest, so there is a market. The market for his services (competition) is more important than his slash line and will determine his return, if any. Now, if he was playing great, there would be no talk of trade. But he isn't and the Sox and a trade partner can both benefit.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 12, 2021 16:56:45 GMT -5
I'm stunned they are. This is selling at his lowest point and he's about to get "expensive". What can you possibly expect for a realistic return? i am not sure you can just arbitrarily decide that this is his low point. From a production standpoint, you are right, but you have to wait until the return to determine what value he has. It seems there is a lot of interest, so there is a market. The market for his services (competition) is more important than his slash line and will determine his return, if any. Now, if he was playing great, there would be no talk of trade. But he isn't and the Sox and a trade partner can both benefit. Sure but if the return is like a Kolby Allard (not him but comparable) for instance, who is more likely to reap future rewards? I'm thinking they're doing this because they want to sign Rosario and see if Benny can return a pitcher. I'm seeing Houston as a possibility but outside of Whitley who could they possibly offer?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 12, 2021 16:58:00 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that Bloom will get enough from other teams in a deal for Benintendi when they simply can sign an Eddie Rosario for not that much more (you'd think) than trading for Benintendi, as easily as the Sox could sign Rosario (which I think they would if they deal Benintendi as I suspect they will).
I guess what I'm saying is how much is it worth in prospects for other teams to trade for Benintendi rather than sign Rosario (or there are other viable LF candidates on the open market)? Enough that it makes it worth the deal for the Sox?
I wouldn't think so, but then again I wouldn't thought that Bloom could get Seabold in the Workman/Hembree deal or get a potentially useful relief prospect in Jacob Wallace for a #4 OF in Pillar. Maybe Bloom will surprise me in getting a lot more value for Benintendi than I'd think possible.
Benintendi is truly a flip a coin proposition. I thought when he came up he might have a couple of vintage Freddy Lynn seasons in him offensively and he appeared to be on that path going into the All-Star break in 2018, but since then, excluding his lousy injured 2020, he was pretty mediocre and trending many ways in the wrong direction.
But you never know. Yaz looked like his days of productivity were ending in the 1971-72 seasons, but he bounced back and was pretty productive afterwards. Benintendi could still rebound. I do think he'll get the opportunity elsewhere.
I'd think the Braves would match up well, but I guess Houston is a possibility. Maybe they'll get that Forrest Whitley guy who has a great arm and awful results. Who knows?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 17:56:50 GMT -5
Former number one overall pick. Dombrowski trading the farm again lol.
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Post by mikeyg413 on Jan 12, 2021 18:07:18 GMT -5
Former number one overall pick. Dombrowski trading the farm again lol. I saw this too. But no one else is talking about it. I’ve also never heard of this person before. Are they even credible? Seems like anyone will bite at any sniff of a rumor lol
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 18:10:38 GMT -5
Former number one overall pick. Dombrowski trading the farm again lol. I saw this too. But no one else is talking about it. I’ve also never heard of this person before. Are they even credible? Seems like anyone will bite at any sniff of a rumor lol Yeah I'm not sure Mastrodonato retweeted it and he covers the Sox. Wouldn't surprise me if that was the Phillies offer. We certainly know Dombrowski's reputation.
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Post by kcbosox on Jan 12, 2021 18:11:56 GMT -5
Is anyone else thinking that this move makes perfect sense if a Wil Myers/Morejon (or Weathers) deal we’re to happen?
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Post by mikeyg413 on Jan 12, 2021 18:14:42 GMT -5
I saw this too. But no one else is talking about it. I’ve also never heard of this person before. Are they even credible? Seems like anyone will bite at any sniff of a rumor lol Yeah I'm not sure Mastrodonato retweeted it and he covers the Sox. Wouldn't surprise me if that was the Phillies offer. We certainly know Dombrowski's reputation. ohhh okay didn’t see Mastro RT it. Hard for me to trust random people on Twitter who report a rumor such as this but if a credible reporter retweets it, it’s either a troll or it has legs. Moniak would be super interesting though.
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Post by mikeyg413 on Jan 12, 2021 18:16:20 GMT -5
Is anyone else thinking that this move makes perfect sense if a Wil Myers/Morejon (or Weathers) deal we’re to happen? I wonder if the Pads would even move Myers as a bad contract now. He had a good year so his value might be up more than it was. Depends on how much they value him though.
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Post by kcbosox on Jan 12, 2021 18:51:03 GMT -5
Padres are burning through cash, with probably more acquisitions to come. In their market, even with a motivated owner, the economics aren’t sustainable. Myers provides an quick way to get some room. Also, no one is going to see him duplicate last year for the next few years. With them eating some $$$, his hit to the Sox cap is reasonable (especially saving $6MM from Beni).
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Post by mikeyg413 on Jan 12, 2021 18:56:18 GMT -5
I guess it really depends how bad the Padres want to move him. I wouldn’t mind Myers plus a pitcher from their system.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 12, 2021 19:11:56 GMT -5
If they trade with Oakland I'd like a small piece to be CF Skye Bolt, who played for UNC, "a switch-hitter who has always been better from the left side" mlb.com.
70 name.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 12, 2021 19:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 19:28:09 GMT -5
Buster is really going out on a limb with that tweet...
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 19:49:16 GMT -5
www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/01/12/mcadam-andrew-benintendi-trade-talks-heating-red-sox/"According to sources, the Houston Astros, Texas Rangers and Oakland A's have all had talks involving Benintendi. A second source suggested the St. Louis Cardinals had also expressed an interest and noted the Pittsburgh Pirates could be another under-the-radar possibility, given that Pirates GM Ben Cherington held that same position with the Sox when Boston chose Benintendi in the first round of the 2015 draft and has a long been a big booster of the outfielder. One official whose team talked to the Red Sox indicated chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom was seeking either someone who could step into Boston's starting rotation or a high-end starter plus a second quality prospect in return for Benintendi, who is eligible for free agency after 2022." I think the announcement is coming tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 12, 2021 19:55:40 GMT -5
Buster is really going out on a limb with that tweet... Yeah, when I first saw this tweet I was thinking a flurry of moves all at once!!! I was excited. Then I read it closer and was like ......DUHHH, they need to make a bunch of moves just to field a team and spring training is 4 weeks away
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 12, 2021 19:58:34 GMT -5
There’s a rumor philly is in by a lady who I can’t attest for at all, says benintendi for moniak and triple A pitcher. Aside from veracity of source this is interesting idea. Dombroski was not the guy who the Red Sox hosed last year so no worries there. Definitely a guy who is meant to try and win it in next few years, loves proven mlb guys over prospects ( I personally like his track record) and is not attached to guys in philly he didn’t draft. He also has good memories of benintendi....and love him or hate him (I like him) dealing Dave is not afraid to throw in that second or third prospect to get a deal done
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 20:02:15 GMT -5
www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/01/12/mcadam-andrew-benintendi-trade-talks-heating-red-sox/"According to sources, the Houston Astros, Texas Rangers and Oakland A's have all had talks involving Benintendi. A second source suggested the St. Louis Cardinals had also expressed an interest and noted the Pittsburgh Pirates could be another under-the-radar possibility, given that Pirates GM Ben Cherington held that same position with the Sox when Boston chose Benintendi in the first round of the 2015 draft and has a long been a big booster of the outfielder. One official whose team talked to the Red Sox indicated chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom was seeking either someone who could step into Boston's starting rotation or a high-end starter plus a second quality prospect in return for Benintendi, who is eligible for free agency after 2022." I think the announcement is coming tonight or tomorrow. I assume the part that says Bloom is asking for either someone who could step into the rotation or a high-end starter plus a second quality prospect in return is a typo? Must mean a high end starter prospect. Either way if they managed something like that I would be on board with that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 20:06:01 GMT -5
There’s a rumor philly is in by a lady who I can’t attest for at all, says benintendi for moniak and triple A pitcher. Aside from veracity of source this is interesting idea. Dombroski was not the guy who the Red Sox hosed last year so no worries there. Definitely a guy who is meant to try and win it in next few years, loves proven mlb guys over prospects ( I personally like his track record) and is not attached to guys in philly he didn’t draft. He also has good memories of benintendi....and love him or hate him (I like him) dealing Dave is not afraid to throw in that second or third prospect to get a deal done Moniaks main claim to fame is that he was the first pick. He really has not been good since being drafted, I don't see why Bloom would have any interest in that unless the pitching prospect was one of their best. No thank you on Moniak.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 12, 2021 20:17:48 GMT -5
Let's see if we can unpack this and make sense of it.
They are not going to significantly downgrade LF. This only makes sense if they are signing either Brantley or Rosario. Since both of those are possible 1-year guys, this makes a 2- or 3-year deal for JBJ make more sense; they get an option year on the new guy and decide a year from now if Duran takes his place.
(This also make sense only if they're really certain about re-signing JBJ, but they're talking as if they are.)
In effect, any extra salary that goes to LF is used to buy the prospects coming back.
There is still the fact that they are probably selling low on Benny. There are five things that might offset this, only two of which are incompatible with one another. In order of likelihood:
1) One or more of the targeted prospects is undervalued by their own team. Call this the Arozarena Dream (AD).
2) They are higher on Brantley or Rosario than their projections would lead you to believe, either because of a fit for Fenway park, or value unmeasured by the projections (clutch hitting, hitting good pitchers well, etc.)
Next come two opposite versions of "not actually selling low."
3a) They are lower on Benintendi than anyone else knows, because of stuff they know that we don't. This is the BC scenario! (Benny Craters).
3b) Everyone is higher on Benintendi than the projections are, because they're looking at the same data, and he has rather more trade value than he appears to have.
4) They can get the incoming LF at below market because they want to play here.
I can do my version of #2 tonight.
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