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Red Sox reportedly shopping Benintendi
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 8:03:18 GMT -5
Benni + $$ should net a decent prospect. Why trade a big leaguer who has had success at the MLB level with still a ton of potential for only a “decent” prospect? This decent prospect might not even make the big leagues A player worth even 1 WAR (on average) for 6 years is worthwhile, considering Benny is averaging around 2 WAR in his career so far (on average) for the last 2 years remaining. 6 WAR>4WAR So 2 years worth of Benny is still less valuable than the average major league ready prospect, even if it's a reliever+ package. There's also the longterm value versus the short term gain. The Sox are in this for the longer haul. 2021 isn't exactly a year where they have all their chips on the table. It's a development year for guys like Casas, Dalbec, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Houck, Mata, and Duran. They're all close to major league ready or have a year or less in the big leagues (of actual playing time, last year doesn't count for me with guys like Taylor and Darwinzon).
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 8:56:50 GMT -5
Hard pass, he forced himself off the team in 2008. Probably cost the Sox back to back championships. He is almost 49 years old. Doubt the bat speed is still there. Off topic, but I'm sure Manny can still hit the crap out of a 88 mph fastball. Yeah not much else lol.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 9:52:40 GMT -5
Why trade a big leaguer who has had success at the MLB level with still a ton of potential for only a “decent” prospect? This decent prospect might not even make the big leagues A player worth even 1 WAR (on average) for 6 years is worthwhile, considering Benny is averaging around 2 WAR in his career so far (on average) for the last 2 years remaining. 6 WAR>4WAR So 2 years worth of Benny is still less valuable than the average major league ready prospect, even if it's a reliever+ package. There's also the longterm value versus the short term gain. The Sox are in this for the longer haul. 2021 isn't exactly a year where they have all their chips on the table. It's a development year for guys like Casas, Dalbec, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Houck, Mata, and Duran. They're all close to major league ready or have a year or less in the big leagues (of actual playing time, last year doesn't count for me with guys like Taylor and Darwinzon). I don’t agree with this. WAR totals spread unequally over time can’t so simply be compared. Would you rather have a 6 WAR player for 2 years or a 1 WAR player for 12? Personally, I prefer best players in clusters of a few years and see what happens. It is exceedingly difficult to predict 4+ years down the line with injuries, salaries, apocalypses, etc. Beni is only going to be 27 this season. He could, if he straightens out, be in it for the long haul. This isn’t a Betts situation where he’ll require hundreds of millions. And the list of guys you have... Beni bouncing back is better than many of their optimistic projections. It is hard for me to say “Hey, we have Josh Taylor in the pen, so let’s think long term.” I don’t even see Duran being *better* than good Beni (though they are different enough that it is a tricky comparison). Obviously there is the caveat of what do you get. It is always fine to test the waters, and if they could get a ridiculous package, fine. But coming off an embarrassing year and with whispers of decline, Beni would probably not bring some future stud.
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 12, 2021 9:58:14 GMT -5
He is almost 49 years old. Doubt the bat speed is still there. Off topic, but I'm sure Manny can still hit the crap out of a 88 mph fastball. Yeah not much else lol. Still one of the prettiest RH swings I have ever seen, even though he came with baggage. Manny and Edgar are 1 and 2 for me in terms of just loving watching their swing. In their prime, I'm pretty sure either could do whatever they wanted when they locked in. For all of the bad things in his history, it seems like one thing is certain, the man loves baseball. He's got no need for money based off his career earnings, and yet he's still out there trying to play. The day comes for all of us when we realize we can no longer play the sport we love, for most, it's after high school or college, I hope for him that when that day comes it's under his own terms. I would love to see him as part of the hitting instruction staff someday...
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 12, 2021 10:03:24 GMT -5
A player worth even 1 WAR (on average) for 6 years is worthwhile, considering Benny is averaging around 2 WAR in his career so far (on average) for the last 2 years remaining. 6 WAR>4WAR So 2 years worth of Benny is still less valuable than the average major league ready prospect, even if it's a reliever+ package. There's also the longterm value versus the short term gain. The Sox are in this for the longer haul. 2021 isn't exactly a year where they have all their chips on the table. It's a development year for guys like Casas, Dalbec, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Houck, Mata, and Duran. They're all close to major league ready or have a year or less in the big leagues (of actual playing time, last year doesn't count for me with guys like Taylor and Darwinzon). I don’t agree with this. WAR totals spread unequally over time can’t so simply be compared. Would you rather have a 6 WAR player for 2 years or a 1 WAR player for 12? Personally, I prefer best players in clusters of a few years and see what happens. It is exceedingly difficult to predict 4+ years down the line with injuries, salaries, apocalypses, etc. Beni is only going to be 27 this season. He could, if he straightens out, be in it for the long haul. This isn’t a Betts situation where he’ll require hundreds of millions. And the list of guys you have... Beni bouncing back is better than many of their optimistic projections. It is hard for me to say “Hey, we have Josh Taylor in the pen, so let’s think long term.” I don’t even see Duran being *better* than good Beni (though they are different enough that it is a tricky comparison). Obviously there is the caveat of what do you get. It is always fine to test the waters, and if they could get a ridiculous package, fine. But coming off an embarrassing year and with whispers of decline, Beni would probably not bring some future stud. I just don't see us getting value right now for Beni. I'd be more amenable to a deal at the deadline, if he builds some semblance of value back, and only if the deal had excess value for the Sox.
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 12, 2021 10:16:13 GMT -5
Marlins have a ton of interesting outfield prospects. Kameron Misner intrigued me in his draft year and has looked pretty good so far...you have to figure some power will come with his bat speed, athleticism and size. Connor Scott has some impressive tools but has not faired to well with some aggressive placements but he has good speed and was projected to have a good hit tool and grow into some power. Think they may be too in love with Peyton Burdick after his debut and supposedly being their most impressive bat at the fall instructs despite a stocky body for a corner OF and some swing/miss. Assume Jesus Sanchez would not be on the table (obviously JJ Bleday is not) and no thanks on Monte Harrison. They also have Griffin Conine and Jenar Encarnacion as power hitting OF’s in their top 20.
On the pitching side I’d love Braxton Garrett or Dax Fulton but guessing those two would not be on the table (Meyer and Cabrera assumed as non starters) . Evan Fitterer seems like a good potential upside guy who is ranked in the 20’s on MLB as does Breidy Encarnacion. Neidert and Rodgers are ranked pretty high although they seem a little less intriguing. Paul Campbell is also a former Tampa guy who I could see as an additional piece that might appeal to Bloom
Bottom line is if they are focused on pitchers and outfielders, with Miami getting sneaky competitive, they certainly match up well.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 10:22:21 GMT -5
A player worth even 1 WAR (on average) for 6 years is worthwhile, considering Benny is averaging around 2 WAR in his career so far (on average) for the last 2 years remaining. 6 WAR>4WAR So 2 years worth of Benny is still less valuable than the average major league ready prospect, even if it's a reliever+ package. There's also the longterm value versus the short term gain. The Sox are in this for the longer haul. 2021 isn't exactly a year where they have all their chips on the table. It's a development year for guys like Casas, Dalbec, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Houck, Mata, and Duran. They're all close to major league ready or have a year or less in the big leagues (of actual playing time, last year doesn't count for me with guys like Taylor and Darwinzon). I don’t agree with this. WAR totals spread unequally over time can’t so simply be compared. Would you rather have a 6 WAR player for 2 years or a 1 WAR player for 12? Personally, I prefer best players in clusters of a few years and see what happens. It is exceedingly difficult to predict 4+ years down the line with injuries, salaries, apocalypses, etc. Beni is only going to be 27 this season. He could, if he straightens out, be in it for the long haul. This isn’t a Betts situation where he’ll require hundreds of millions. And the list of guys you have... Beni bouncing back is better than many of their optimistic projections. It is hard for me to say “Hey, we have Josh Taylor in the pen, so let’s think long term.” I don’t even see Duran being *better* than good Beni (though they are different enough that it is a tricky comparison). Obviously there is the caveat of what do you get. It is always fine to test the waters, and if they could get a ridiculous package, fine. But coming off an embarrassing year and with whispers of decline, Beni would probably not bring some future stud. Been over this, but how do you expect the Sox to pay Benintendi when they have Verdugo coming up for arbitration in a year, Eduardo Rodriguez up in free agency in a year, and Devers already in arbitration? They all need to be extended. All of those guys should be paid before Benintendi. You already have a half a David Price salary, Sale, and Xander on the books. There's no money left for Benintendi long-term. He's not in the long term plans. Dealing from two years of control is better than dealing with anything less. It's not just Josh Taylor and Duran. It's the whole collection of talent coming up or are here. The next "wave" of Red Sox players. I prefer the better players too, when the Sox are in go for it mode. They aren't there right now. They're focused on the next wave and sustainability right now and getting to that point. Trading Benintendi might get you there. Bloom hasn't lost a trade yet!
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 12, 2021 10:42:41 GMT -5
I don’t agree with this. WAR totals spread unequally over time can’t so simply be compared. Would you rather have a 6 WAR player for 2 years or a 1 WAR player for 12? Personally, I prefer best players in clusters of a few years and see what happens. It is exceedingly difficult to predict 4+ years down the line with injuries, salaries, apocalypses, etc. Beni is only going to be 27 this season. He could, if he straightens out, be in it for the long haul. This isn’t a Betts situation where he’ll require hundreds of millions. And the list of guys you have... Beni bouncing back is better than many of their optimistic projections. It is hard for me to say “Hey, we have Josh Taylor in the pen, so let’s think long term.” I don’t even see Duran being *better* than good Beni (though they are different enough that it is a tricky comparison). Obviously there is the caveat of what do you get. It is always fine to test the waters, and if they could get a ridiculous package, fine. But coming off an embarrassing year and with whispers of decline, Beni would probably not bring some future stud. Been over this, but how do you expect the Sox to pay Benintendi when they have Verdugo coming up for arbitration in a year, Eduardo Rodriguez up in free agency in a year, and Devers already in arbitration? They all need to be extended. All of those guys should be paid before Benintendi. You already have a half a David Price salary, Sale, and Xander on the books. There's no money left for Benintendi long-term. He's not in the long term plans. Dealing from two years of control is better than dealing with anything less. It's not just Josh Taylor and Duran. It's the whole collection of talent coming up or are here. The next "wave" of Red Sox players. I prefer the better players too, when the Sox are in go for it mode. They aren't there right now. They're focused on the next wave and sustainability right now and getting to that point. Trading Benintendi might get you there. Bloom hasn't lost a trade yet! Beyond the face value of just extending Benintendi versus the others, does he even want to be here long term? I feel like ERod, Verdugo and Devers seem to enjoy Boston...not sure about Benintendi. I know his personality has been discussed before and he has said the right things but would not be shocked if he preferred another destination and I’m sure the front office probably has a feel for that as well.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 11:50:38 GMT -5
I don’t agree with this. WAR totals spread unequally over time can’t so simply be compared. Would you rather have a 6 WAR player for 2 years or a 1 WAR player for 12? Personally, I prefer best players in clusters of a few years and see what happens. It is exceedingly difficult to predict 4+ years down the line with injuries, salaries, apocalypses, etc. Beni is only going to be 27 this season. He could, if he straightens out, be in it for the long haul. This isn’t a Betts situation where he’ll require hundreds of millions. And the list of guys you have... Beni bouncing back is better than many of their optimistic projections. It is hard for me to say “Hey, we have Josh Taylor in the pen, so let’s think long term.” I don’t even see Duran being *better* than good Beni (though they are different enough that it is a tricky comparison). Obviously there is the caveat of what do you get. It is always fine to test the waters, and if they could get a ridiculous package, fine. But coming off an embarrassing year and with whispers of decline, Beni would probably not bring some future stud. Been over this, but how do you expect the Sox to pay Benintendi when they have Verdugo coming up for arbitration in a year, Eduardo Rodriguez up in free agency in a year, and Devers already in arbitration? They all need to be extended. All of those guys should be paid before Benintendi. You already have a half a David Price salary, Sale, and Xander on the books. There's no money left for Benintendi long-term. He's not in the long term plans. Dealing from two years of control is better than dealing with anything less. It's not just Josh Taylor and Duran. It's the whole collection of talent coming up or are here. The next "wave" of Red Sox players. I prefer the better players too, when the Sox are in go for it mode. They aren't there right now. They're focused on the next wave and sustainability right now and getting to that point. Trading Benintendi might get you there. Bloom hasn't lost a trade yet! That “next generation” is not exactly stellar. Did you see the ratings in another thread? We’re talking about a group in which there is not a single guaranteed contributor. That’s fine to fill in the cracks, but it is not like the last wave when there were a number of possible superstars from Bogie to Betts to Devers to Moncada. They need to have a legit core to sprinkle those guys into. If Beni comes back from last season, he is a part of that core. He is 26 years old!! For all we know, he might still have better days ahead. Personally I am hoping last season was an injury season. Rib issues can destroy all your athleticism.. swing, speed, etc. If Beni’s salary projections are too high, they are more screwed than anyone is discussing. How will they improve this team if they are that close to capped out?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 12:00:37 GMT -5
As of right now the only guaranteed salaries for 2023 are Xander and Sale. Pretty sure they'll be fine in terms of money if Beni bounces back and they want to extend him among Erod, Devers, Verdugo etc.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 12:18:17 GMT -5
As of right now the only guaranteed salaries for 2023 are Xander and Sale. Pretty sure they'll be fine in terms of money if Beni bounces back and they want to extend him among Erod, Devers, Verdugo etc. Verdugo is going to take 15-25 million AAV a year to extend. Devers (same). Eduardo let's say 20-25 million AAV. Plus Xander's 20 million and Sale's 26 million or so. 115-125 million AAV for those players alone. You think there's room for Benintendi?
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 12:23:10 GMT -5
As of right now the only guaranteed salaries for 2023 are Xander and Sale. Pretty sure they'll be fine in terms of money if Beni bounces back and they want to extend him among Erod, Devers, Verdugo etc. Verdugo is going to take 15-25 million AAV a year to extend. Devers (same). Eduardo let's say 20-25 million AAV. Plus Xander's 20 million and Sale's 26 million or so. 115-125 million AAV for those players alone. You think there's room for Benintendi? First, $15-25 million (for Verdugo) is a pretty massive spread. Let’s say it was the $15... isn’t that $10 freed for a different player? Might that player not be Beni? Second.... we’ll see on ERod. So many variables. Bottom line is they have flexibility. You are making a case for one way of using it. But you are conflating you don’t *want* to pay Beni with they *can’t* pay Beni. Add: Even by your math, you could go Verdugo: 15 Dever: 15 ERod: 20 X: 20 Sale: 26 That’s only $96, a savings of $29 million against your top projection.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 12:32:13 GMT -5
Verdugo is going to take 15-25 million AAV a year to extend. Devers (same). Eduardo let's say 20-25 million AAV. Plus Xander's 20 million and Sale's 26 million or so. 115-125 million AAV for those players alone. You think there's room for Benintendi? First, $15-25 million (for Verdugo) is a pretty massive spread. Let’s say it was the $15... isn’t that $10 freed for a different player? Might that player not be Beni? Second.... we’ll see on ERod. So many variables. Bottom line is they have flexibility. You are making a case for one way of using it. But you are conflating you don’t *want* to pay Beni with they *can’t* pay Beni. Add: Even by your math, you could go Verdugo: 15 Dever: 15 ERod: 20 X: 20 Sale: 26 That’s only $96, a savings of $29 million against your top projection. I mean, I'm making a case for using it on 3 better players. Only Eduardo is older than Benintendi. Don't know the exact AAV yet on all these guys, but it isn't going to be small. All of that was a rough guessestimate. The later Devers goes into arbitration, the higher it goes as time moves along. I don't expect anything to be on the low end here. I could be totally wrong and it could be a lot higher than my guess. Basically you're picking 3 of the 4 of Benintendi, Eduardo, Devers, Verdugo. Which one are you picking? The Sox are signaling that Benintendi is the one that's out in the future. Not me, but I definitely agree with them!
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Post by pedey on Jan 12, 2021 12:34:12 GMT -5
Why trade a big leaguer who has had success at the MLB level with still a ton of potential for only a “decent” prospect? This decent prospect might not even make the big leagues A player worth even 1 WAR (on average) for 6 years is worthwhile, considering Benny is averaging around 2 WAR in his career so far (on average) for the last 2 years remaining. 6 WAR>4WAR So 2 years worth of Benny is still less valuable than the average major league ready prospect, even if it's a reliever+ package. There's also the longterm value versus the short term gain. The Sox are in this for the longer haul. 2021 isn't exactly a year where they have all their chips on the table. It's a development year for guys like Casas, Dalbec, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Houck, Mata, and Duran. They're all close to major league ready or have a year or less in the big leagues (of actual playing time, last year doesn't count for me with guys like Taylor and Darwinzon). I stand corrected, but I don’t think the current crop of prospects has enough potential to win a championship. Homegrown talent like Youk, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Lester, Buch, Paps, helped win in 2007 and 2013. With other core guys around them. Homegrown talent like Bogaerts, Betts, Benny, JBJ, E-Rod, Devers, and others won 2018. These guys are all still young and the front office is already stripping one of the greatest Red Sox teams from recent memory. 2019 was a down year, but I blame management for giving too much money for scrubs and then selling out the young core. I just really hope we keep Benny and bring back JBJ. JBJ is just a great guy to have and his defense covers his weak bat at times. I think Benny could still have a Yelich-like breakout season. He has the tools to do it.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 12:43:03 GMT -5
As of right now the only guaranteed salaries for 2023 are Xander and Sale. Pretty sure they'll be fine in terms of money if Beni bounces back and they want to extend him among Erod, Devers, Verdugo etc. Verdugo is going to take 15-25 million AAV a year to extend. Devers (same). Eduardo let's say 20-25 million AAV. Plus Xander's 20 million and Sale's 26 million or so. 115-125 million AAV for those players alone. You think there's room for Benintendi? They don't need to decide right now either way. Maybe Eduardo is never the same after covid, maybe beni bounces back to 2018, maybe Verdugo is more of a 15 a year player. I'm okay with whatever they decide on Beni either way. I just wanted to point out they will have flexibility.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 12:52:51 GMT -5
First, $15-25 million (for Verdugo) is a pretty massive spread. Let’s say it was the $15... isn’t that $10 freed for a different player? Might that player not be Beni? Second.... we’ll see on ERod. So many variables. Bottom line is they have flexibility. You are making a case for one way of using it. But you are conflating you don’t *want* to pay Beni with they *can’t* pay Beni. Add: Even by your math, you could go Verdugo: 15 Dever: 15 ERod: 20 X: 20 Sale: 26 That’s only $96, a savings of $29 million against your top projection. I mean, I'm making a case for using it on 3 better players. Only Eduardo is older than Benintendi. Don't know the exact AAV yet on all these guys, but it isn't going to be small. All of that was a rough guessestimate. The later Devers goes into arbitration, the higher it goes as time moves along. I don't expect anything to be on the low end here. I could be totally wrong and it could be a lot higher than my guess. Basically you're picking 3 of the 4 of Benintendi, Eduardo, Devers, Verdugo. Which one are you picking? The Sox are signaling that Benintendi is the one that's out in the future. Not me, but I definitely agree with them! I simply don’t think that right now they are in need of picking 3 of those 4. If they can get a great trade, fine. But they are not under salary pressure to do do. You are arguing because two years from now there is a chance they’ll have expenses, they must move now to trade a former top prospect at a low moment?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 12:54:44 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are underestimating the prospects in the system right now.
For the first time you could have 2 or 3 cost controlled cheap starters coming up soon in Seabold, Houck, and Mata. Casas is supposed to be a machine. Duran is probably a starter soon.
They need to add more to this group in terms of near major league ready prospects (hence the Benintendi rumors), but it's a really solid group. This team has barely ever operated with cost controlled starting pitching.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 12, 2021 13:00:41 GMT -5
I mean, I'm making a case for using it on 3 better players. Only Eduardo is older than Benintendi. Don't know the exact AAV yet on all these guys, but it isn't going to be small. All of that was a rough guessestimate. The later Devers goes into arbitration, the higher it goes as time moves along. I don't expect anything to be on the low end here. I could be totally wrong and it could be a lot higher than my guess. Basically you're picking 3 of the 4 of Benintendi, Eduardo, Devers, Verdugo. Which one are you picking? The Sox are signaling that Benintendi is the one that's out in the future. Not me, but I definitely agree with them! I simply don’t think that right now they are in need of picking 3 of those 4. If they can get a great trade, fine. But they are not under salary pressure to do do. You are arguing because two years from now there is a chance they’ll have expenses, they must move now to trade a former top prospect at a low moment? They don't need to, but who says Benintendi's trade value is really all that low? He's generating plenty of interest. He has some control. Teams aren't putting much weight into the 2020 season, I'm positive about that. Actually, I think this is the highest point you can trade him because of team control. I won't keep dragging this out for the sake of repeating, however. We'll agree to disagree.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 12, 2021 13:07:46 GMT -5
I think talk of extending Benintendi is incredibly premature. Let's let him bounce back first and prove his decline was just a blip, no?
There's also the fact that they have like 4 more spots to fill on this year's team alone. Who even knows how they wind up filling them?
That said, I get referring generally to the fact that he's a free agent in two years as a reason to consider moving him - I just don't get getting into it in detail at this time. I think it's uncontroverted he's like 6th on the list of players they need to worry about extending right now (counting Bogaerts because of his opt-out, which he's almost certainly exercising if the game's economics have recovered).
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Also, manfred, you're reacting way too strongly to the Fangraphs FV projections. They had 43 players graded as 55 FV or better in the 2020 updated list (roughly mid-year, IIRC). They'd ideally have had one or two guys in that group, but I don't think not having one in there presents the down-the-line issue you're making it out to be - some guys will likely develop above their FV projection, as others will fall short of it. It's not typical to have the insane Benintendi-Moncada-Devers-etc. group they had a few years back.
No, they probably won't have an almost entirely homegrown lineup like they did in 2018. But that's not the only way to build a team, and you have to think that some players from the current, say, top 10 are close to becoming contributors. Will they all become contributors? No. But even in that loaded system Espinoza, Kopech, and Guerra have all fallen well short of their potential so far, for various reasons.
This farm system isn't going to produce a "core," but that doesn't mean it's not going to produce anyone. And I'd bet some amount of money Casas is a 55 or better on FG this time next year.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 13:26:06 GMT -5
I think talk of extending Benintendi is incredibly premature. Let's let him bounce back first and prove his decline was just a blip, no? There's also the fact that they have like 4 more spots to fill on this year's team alone. Who even knows how they wind up filling them? That said, I get referring generally to the fact that he's a free agent in two years as a reason to consider moving him - I just don't get getting into it in detail at this time. I think it's uncontroverted he's like 6th on the list of players they need to worry about extending right now (counting Bogaerts because of his opt-out, which he's almost certainly exercising if the game's economics have recovered). --- Also, manfred, you're reacting way too strongly to the Fangraphs FV projections. They had 43 players graded as 55 FV or better in the 2020 updated list (roughly mid-year, IIRC). They'd ideally have had one or two guys in that group, but I don't think not having one in there presents the down-the-line issue you're making it out to be - some guys will likely develop above their FV projection, as others will fall short of it. It's not typical to have the insane Benintendi-Moncada-Devers-etc. group they had a few years back. No, they probably won't have an almost entirely homegrown lineup like they did in 2018. But that's not the only way to build a team, and you have to think that some players from the current, say, top 10 are close to becoming contributors. Will they all become contributors? No. But even in that loaded system Espinoza, Kopech, and Guerra have all fallen well short of their potential so far, for various reasons. This farm system isn't going to produce a "core," but that doesn't mean it's not going to produce anyone. And I'd bet some amount of money Casas is a 55 or better on FG this time next year. That’s fair. I don’t mean to say there aren’t good players coming. I just mean the real core is here, especially Xander and Devers. So the question is how to build around them. They need some of that to come up... Casas, Downs, Duran, bismillah... but they’ll also likely need to pay for guys, too, to create a truly competitive (for a WS i mean) roster. And a restored Beni would be a good advance over what we saw last year (or even the year before to a lesser degree). Maybe it came off stronger than intended. My point is I don’t think the system is good enough that we can simply say, hey, current big league roster+a year or two of development= next great contender.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 12, 2021 13:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by jkfer98 on Jan 12, 2021 13:46:38 GMT -5
If this goes down, hopefully it means we'll go hard after Ozuna/Brantley.
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 12, 2021 13:49:53 GMT -5
So trade Josh Bell 2 years before free agency as part of what appears to be a tear down, then acquire Benintendi 2 years before free agency? I get that Cherington may believe in the player rebounding but still seems highly unlikely
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2021 14:00:36 GMT -5
If this goes down, hopefully it means we'll go hard after Ozuna/Brantley. I suspect if they deal Benintendi it is to free up money for pitching rather than paying another LF more than Benintendi is slated to make. Eddie Rosario or guys similar to that would be more likely.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2021 14:04:18 GMT -5
Extraordinary to think that the entire starting outfield from the best Sox team ever was age 24, 26, and 28, and two years later might all be gone.
Who knew “youth movement” meant move your youths out of town?
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