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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 18, 2021 12:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 18, 2021 12:57:10 GMT -5
More to come...
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 18, 2021 13:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 18, 2021 13:07:57 GMT -5
Disappointing end to his Red Sox career but I’m ok with this. He’s been passed by a number of guys on the depth chart. Sad to see a 2nd round pick not work out like that though. Hopefully he finds something in Philly.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jan 18, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -5
A testament to the improved Sox depth though. Still not where it needs to be but going the right way.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 18, 2021 13:18:33 GMT -5
So Bloom and DD make do make a trade
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 18, 2021 13:29:59 GMT -5
On the surface this appears to free up a 40-man roster spot for Martin Perez. However, it also raises the question about SS depth. Others have pointed to that as a concern even with CJ in the fold. Makes me think a subsequent move (whenever that ends up being) will involve someone capable of playing some SS
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 18, 2021 13:33:31 GMT -5
So it's now up to Dalbec to salvage the 2016 draft
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 18, 2021 13:59:20 GMT -5
Terrible waste of a pick. Hope he does well in Philly. Maybe by trading CJ Chatham to make room on the 40 this is a sign that Bloom isn't going to sell Benny for 50 cents on the dollar.
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Post by manfred on Jan 18, 2021 14:55:28 GMT -5
Genius. Many of you don’t realize that Player-to-be-Named-Later has been misused in the Phillies’s system and will get the proper coaching now from ex-Rays coaches to turn into a real star.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 18, 2021 15:01:54 GMT -5
A testament to the improved Sox depth though. Still not where it needs to be but going the right way. How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth?
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Post by incandenza on Jan 18, 2021 15:09:36 GMT -5
A testament to the improved Sox depth though. Still not where it needs to be but going the right way. How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth? Well noted Red Sox prospect website soxprospects dot com had him ranked #38, for one thing.
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Post by azblue on Jan 18, 2021 15:25:01 GMT -5
"How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth?"
Since you do not know who the PTBNL is, how can you make that assessment. Perhaps it is a player drafted last July and he cannot be traded for 12 months. This trade can only be assessed when it has been completed (at the earliest) and possibly not for a couple of years.
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Post by manfred on Jan 18, 2021 15:38:11 GMT -5
"How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth?" Since you do not know who the PTBNL is, how can you make that assessment. Perhaps it is a player drafted last July and he cannot be traded for 12 months. This trade can only be assessed when it has been completed (at the earliest) and possibly not for a couple of years. Like Zhou Enlai on the French Revolution: too soon to tell!
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Post by fenwaymabe on Jan 18, 2021 15:46:02 GMT -5
I thought that Springs would be dfa'd in response to Perez coming back. I had been of the mindset that Chatham might work his way into the second base equation based on his solid numbers in AAA. He's one of those guys that doesn't really have a standout tool but is solid in everything he does, and that has value. With that being said, I'm interested in the PTBNL. I think that we might see more moves coming soon.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 18, 2021 15:59:33 GMT -5
How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth? Well noted Red Sox prospect website soxprospects dot com had him ranked #38, for one thing. He was top 15 at one time. I remember thinking they should include him in a trade as a pot sweetener, instead of waiting until he was in his mid-20s with no ML experience and a long shot to ever hold down a utility spot - in other words a guy with little, if any, trade value. Ummm...
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 18, 2021 16:26:26 GMT -5
I liked him and not only because when talked with him that 1st summer after he was drafted, with a cast on his arm about how badly he was wanting to play and how much he loved the game either in Ft Myers. The kid showed he could hit at a cpl levels after healing from the wrist injury and looking over the 40 man roster.. With multiple players who really have no buisness being near it I wonder what goes on inside the heads of a MLB fron office sometimes.. Is it only going from analytics and paying -0- attention to anything else? What this guy "might" be able to do according to do to hype schedule A,B,and C some supposed guru has typed up with his black, plastic framed glasses.. staring over a computer and has no comprehension of what entails using a pair of eyeballs to take in the eccentricities of the game make it vary?
My God I'd love to hear how Rac Slider and Joe Morgan think how the game has devolved.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 18, 2021 16:46:05 GMT -5
I thought that Springs would be dfa'd in response to Perez coming back. I had been of the mindset that Chatham might work his way into the second base equation based on his solid numbers in AAA. He's one of those guys that doesn't really have a standout tool but is solid in everything he does, and that has value. With that being said, I'm interested in the PTBNL. I think that we might see more moves coming soon. Arauz is a very good fielder at three positions, and he's three-and-a-half years younger. He's been age-advanced since he came into the Phillies system at the tender age of 16, and improving as he moves up. The contact skills are still an issue, and his SB pct is bad at 50% so that needs work. But some power looks to be showing up, he walks a bit, and his K rate is reasonable. It will be interesting to see what he does if he just gets to stay in one place for a while. To my mind, they already have their replacement for Chatham. Here are his stats. He just turned 22 in August: Year | Age | AgeDif | Tm | Lg | Lev | Aff | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | TB | HBP |
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2015 | 16 | -3.5 | Phillies | GULF | Rk | PHI | 44 | 188 | 173 | 21 | 44 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 18 | 13 | 29 | .254 | .309 | .370 | .678 | 64 | 1 | 2016 | 17 | -3.5 | Greeneville | APPY | Rk | HOU | 53 | 229 | 201 | 26 | 50 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 18 | 19 | 45 | .249 | .323 | .338 | .661 | 68 | 4 | 2017 | 18 |
| 2 Teams | 2 Lgs | A-A- | HOU | 69 | 284 | 248 | 39 | 60 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 15 | 32 | 47 | .242 | .336 | .319 | .654 | 79 | 3 | 2018 | 19 |
| 2 Teams | 2 Lgs | A+-A | HOU | 125 | 490 | 437 | 56 | 100 | 21 | 9 | 8 | 47 | 46 | 74 | .229 | .305 | .373 | .678 | 163 | 3 | 2019 | 20 |
| 2 Teams | 2 Lgs | A+-AA | HOU | 115 | 473 | 425 | 53 | 106 | 22 | 2 | 11 | 55 | 40 | 88 | .249 | .319 | .388 | .707 | 165 | 5 | 2020 | 21 | -6.6 | BOS | AL | MLB | BOS | 25 | 80 | 72 | 8 | 18 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 8 | 21 | .250 | .325 | .319 | .644 | 23 | 0 |
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original TableGenerated 1/18/2021.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 18, 2021 16:54:37 GMT -5
A testament to the improved Sox depth though. Still not where it needs to be but going the right way. How is us giving away a top 15 prospect for literally nothing is a great testament to our depth? Does “Literally Nothing” have a name as I can not find him on the Phillies roster......or was that a mistake, because we do not actually get either a player not yet named or cash. Chatham is an ok player, but the Red Sox have better options at 2B. If he can be traded for a pitcher that the RS can use then Chatham served a very important purpose.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 18, 2021 16:57:06 GMT -5
I liked him and not only because when talked with him that 1st summer after he was drafted, with a cast on his arm about how badly he was wanting to play and how much he loved the game either in Ft Myers. The kid showed he could hit at a cpl levels after healing from the wrist injury and looking over the 40 man roster.. With multiple players who really have no buisness being near it I wonder what goes on inside the heads of a MLB fron office sometimes.. Is it only going from analytics and paying -0- attention to anything else? What this guy "might" be able to do according to do to hype schedule A,B,and C some supposed guru has typed up with his black, plastic framed glasses.. staring over a computer and has no comprehension of what entails using a pair of eyeballs to take in the eccentricities of the game make it vary? My God I'd love to hear how Rac Slider and Joe Morgan think how the game has devolved. And why, exactly, are you assuming the Red Sox are not using their eyeballs to judge their own prospects?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 18, 2021 17:06:19 GMT -5
Speaking of players-to-be-named, do we know who the Red Sox got for Osich yet?
(players-to-be-named reminds me of Harry Potter - - “He who shall not be named”) lol
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 18, 2021 17:37:19 GMT -5
Since you do not know who the PTBNL is, how can you make that assessment. Perhaps it is a player drafted last July and he cannot be traded for 12 months. Pretty sure that rule went by the wayside a couple of years ago. But it could be that the Sox want to see the player in the minors, and last year didn't allow that.
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Post by longgone24 on Jan 18, 2021 17:37:42 GMT -5
Speaking of players-to-be-named, do we know who the Red Sox got for Osich yet? (players-to-be-named reminds me of Harry Potter - - “He who shall not be named”) lol The Harry Potter line has a slightly different context in Soxprospects- ask Temple.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 18, 2021 18:33:48 GMT -5
Holy crap a longgone24 sighting.
As for Chatham, I'm going to be frank - he looked checked out by the end of the ATS, and I can't say I blame him. He clearly wasn't going to get a shot in this org, and it's probably better for him to try to get a shot somewhere else. There's a reason he'd plummeted down our rankings over the past year.
This does cut the already thin depth at SS a bit more. They'll probably need to address with either a signing for the MLB roster (e.g., Semien to play 2B but be the backup SS) and/or with a AAA MLFA depth signing, although it's not that there's a ton of MIF playing time to go around in AAA between Downs and potentially Arauz.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 18, 2021 18:55:35 GMT -5
Maybe another organization is best for a chance. Last year it seemed to me there was reason, or the best of opportunities to call him up and they didn't, so there is something.. perceived or real the Sox organization does not like about him.
Hold steady on why he was cut from the 40 many at this point with multiple fringy (at best) relievers occupying spots. Even if the FO had little faith in Chatham, there are 2-3 relievers taking up spots on the 40man roster no better than the mass they have on non roster, make good contracts and could be cut free and replaced.. It just made no sense to do this at this time. Maybe later if they had some middle IF better (2b), but now when there isn't anyone who can REALLY be counted on?
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