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Post by pasadenasox on Jan 18, 2021 19:16:56 GMT -5
Speaking of players-to-be-named, do we know who the Red Sox got for Osich yet? (players-to-be-named reminds me of Harry Potter - - “He who shall not be named”) lol The Harry Potter line has a slightly different context in Soxprospects- ask Temple. Pedro Alvarez? |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 18, 2021 19:37:38 GMT -5
Remember DD is on the other side of this transaction. We could be getting a nice lottery ticket type player, plus some nice cheese steaks from Pats or Genos.
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Post by longgone24 on Jan 18, 2021 19:50:59 GMT -5
The Harry Potter line has a slightly different context in Soxprospects- ask Temple. Pedro Alvarez? Winner winner! |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 18, 2021 20:05:07 GMT -5
I looked all through Soxprospects.com transactions pages since the trade and nothing was listed. Thanks |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 18, 2021 20:13:53 GMT -5
Maybe another organization is best for a chance. Last year it seemed to me there was reason, or the best of opportunities to call him up and they didn't, so there is something.. perceived or real the Sox organization does not like about him. Hold steady on why he was cut from the 40 many at this point with multiple fringy (at best) relievers occupying spots. Even if the FO had little faith in Chatham, there are 2-3 relievers taking up spots on the 40man roster no better than the mass they have on non roster, make good contracts and could be cut free and replaced.. It just made no sense to do this at this time. Maybe later if they had some middle IF better (2b), but now when there isn't anyone who can REALLY be counted on? In 436 ABs Chatham had 5 HRs (but 31 2Bs) and only 22 BB, so he spray hits to the gaps, but not much HR power, and he would not have a great OBP presumably. Then there is the playing time at AAA where they have Downs, Arauz, and Munoz at 2B, SS, and 3B with De La Guerra filling in. Maybe the RS did not feel there would be enough playing time especially if Potts does not spend very much time in AA. |
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Post by alnipper on Jan 18, 2021 20:29:42 GMT -5
Some international pool money would be nice for Chatham.  I do not see the Sox being World Series winners this year, so SS depth doesn't mean as much to me this year. |
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Post by pasadenasox on Jan 18, 2021 21:01:18 GMT -5
I looked all through Soxprospects.com transactions pages since the trade and nothing was listed. Thanks Pedro Alvarez was "the one that got away" on the board back in the day. The Sox drafted him in 2005 and he didn't sign and went to Vandy instead. It's a SoxProspects.com deep cut. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 18, 2021 21:14:57 GMT -5
Some international pool money would be nice for Chatham. I do not see the Sox being World Series winners this year, so SS depth doesn't mean as much to me this year. Can't trade int'l money this year. |
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Post by rasimon on Jan 18, 2021 21:59:31 GMT -5
Sorry to see Chatham go. He was not going to be a star, or even a good starter, but he is probably at least as good as some of the other guys who we have ran out at utility and 2b recently. Chatham checks in at #23 on MLB's list top Philly prospects www.mlb.com/prospects/phillies/some interesting prospects in return might be #15 Damon Jones - power LHer. Has some control issues. Potential relief weapon. Already 26. Probably out of reach. #21 David Parkinson - LHer. Back end of the rotation or swing guy. Could be useful. Age 25. #29 Jamari Baylor - 20 year old SS/2b. Good speed. Can probably stick at SS. Average power. Drafted in 2019. #30 Connor Brogdan - 6'6 RHer. 25 yrs old. Was ok in brief time with PHI last year. Hard to see them letting go of a RP though. they just signed Venezuelan catching prospect Rickardo Perez for $1MM. Probably out of reach. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 18, 2021 22:12:43 GMT -5
Sorry to see Chatham go. He was not going to be a star, or even a good starter, but he is probably at least as good as some of the other guys who we have ran out at utility and 2b recently. Chatham checks in at #23 on MLB's list top Philly prospects www.mlb.com/prospects/phillies/some interesting prospects in return might be #15 Damon Jones - power LHer. Has some control issues. Potential relief weapon. Already 26. Probably out of reach. #21 David Parkinson - LHer. Back end of the rotation or swing guy. Could be useful. Age 25. #29 Jamari Baylor - 20 year old SS/2b. Good speed. Can probably stick at SS. Average power. Drafted in 2019. #30 Connor Brogdan - 6'6 RHer. 25 yrs old. Was ok in brief time with PHI last year. Hard to see them letting go of a RP though. they just signed Venezuelan catching prospect Rickardo Perez for $1MM. Probably out of reach. Kyle Dohy seems interesting as a possible reliever too, they just need to figure out how to get him to throw strikes. It is a little concerning the Phillies didn’t even give him a look last year considering how miserable their bullpen was. |
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 18, 2021 22:22:34 GMT -5
Not sure about the motivation for this deal, but it appears it was intended to free up a 40-man roster spot. If so, anyone coming back to the Sox would not be added to the 40-man unless another move is made.
If the PTBNL is on the Phillies 40-man are the Sox required to put them on their 40-man??
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Post by kman22 on Jan 18, 2021 23:13:23 GMT -5
Not sure about the motivation for this deal, but it appears it was intended to free up a 40-man roster spot. If so, anyone coming back to the Sox would not be added to the 40-man unless another move is made. If the PTBNL is on the Phillies 40-man are the Sox required to put them on their 40-man?? If they PTBNL is sent during the season, they could potentially have spots open that aren't currently available? |
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Post by rasimon on Jan 19, 2021 0:31:33 GMT -5
Not sure about the motivation for this deal, but it appears it was intended to free up a 40-man roster spot. If so, anyone coming back to the Sox would not be added to the 40-man unless another move is made. If the PTBNL is on the Phillies 40-man are the Sox required to put them on their 40-man?? Perez doesn't need to go on the 40 man yet. I don't think Baylor needs to either. The others that I listed could compete for big league roles. |
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Post by longgone24 on Jan 19, 2021 20:03:10 GMT -5
Holy crap a longgone24 sighting. Well it's not like Scaffold or Tiantetwirl are walking through the door... |
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Post by nomar on Jan 19, 2021 20:46:30 GMT -5
What happened to mgoetze
Edit: Just went through the big bad Mookie Betts thread and I was audibly gasping at some of the old usernames. Miss talking ball with a lot of those guys.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jan 19, 2021 20:53:03 GMT -5
Holy crap a longgone24 sighting. Well it's not like Scaffold or Tiantetwirl are walking through the door... I occasionally wonder about some of the very old timers. The Golden Greek was a heavy contributor in the early days. AMarshal1 was the same. There are lots of others too. Where are those guys? This message board is getting old enough that sometimes you can feel slightly nostalgic about posters, topics, and prospects from the past. edit. It’s possibly worth its own thread somewhere in the off topic area. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 28, 2021 19:03:13 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Mar 28, 2021 21:19:34 GMT -5
Cold world
Surprised they outright cut him
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 28, 2021 22:13:05 GMT -5
So I'd guess the Sox are going to receive cash rather than a player for Chatham?
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Post by rasimon on Mar 29, 2021 0:08:28 GMT -5
So I'd guess the Sox are going to receive cash rather than a player for Chatham? Boo. I want the prospect. Even if he's a lottery ticket. |
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 29, 2021 9:12:27 GMT -5
So I'd guess the Sox are going to receive cash rather than a player for Chatham? Not even going to speculate after Osich |
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 29, 2021 10:07:31 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these weren't conditional terms that were agreed upon. We should get a player regardless if he was able to stick.
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Post by azblue on Mar 29, 2021 10:10:46 GMT -5
You are not wrong.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 29, 2021 10:15:29 GMT -5
PTBNL could conceivably cover pretty much any situation. There's no telling what the exact terms were until we either receive a player or we don't.
It's generally a PTBNL or cash depending.....
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 29, 2021 10:17:05 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these weren't conditional terms that were agreed upon. We should get a player regardless if he was able to stick. The trade was announced as a PTBNL or cash. We don't know the conditions of the trade, but it could just be cash. We probably won't know until the deadline to receive a PTNBL passes (usually six months). |
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