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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 11, 2021 1:27:25 GMT -5
If Arroyo is cut, which I think is a real possibility, who gets the majority of reps at 2B. The choices are Hernandez, Gonzalez, Chavis, (to a lesser degree Arauz and Munoz). Does Santana play much if any 2B? KIKI is going to be the everyday 2B. Mark my word. If Xman is out short term it will be Arauz/marwin at SS. As a footnote I can’t see Arroyo contributing much at all. Be shocked if he was in this roster come may.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 11, 2021 15:11:26 GMT -5
Does Santana play much if any 2B? KIKI is going to be the everyday 2B. Mark my word. If Xman is out short term it will be Arauz/marwin at SS. As a footnote I can’t see Arroyo contributing much at all. Be shocked if he was in this roster come may. I would agree. Other than then 3 HRS he hit last year, as an every day player I do not see him as a better choice defensively or offensively.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 22, 2021 14:15:17 GMT -5
KIKI is going to be the everyday 2B. Mark my word. If Xman is out short term it will be Arauz/marwin at SS. As a footnote I can’t see Arroyo contributing much at all. Be shocked if he was in this roster come may. I would agree. Other than then 3 HRS he hit last year, as an every day player I do not see him as a better choice defensively or offensively. I have certainly been wrong at least in spring training.... Arroyo has hit a ton
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 4, 2021 21:05:18 GMT -5
Since his first two games: .083/.185/.166 - OPS-plus of .351.
Nostalgic about Franchy yet?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 4, 2021 22:25:45 GMT -5
Minimal cash outlay and defensive depth with authentic offensive upside. This is exactly the sort of move winning teams make. Depth is grossly underrated, but even moreso when the likely AAA or even AA help is questionable. Duran's power looks pretty real (at least, he's a big, twitchy-explosive guy with a very clear reason: swing change v.2.0), but there's not much positionally beyond him unless Downs suddenly takes a real step forward or Casas goes nuts. Luckily on the pitching end they've got Seabold and Houck, given the remarkable health of the rotation so far and the distinct possibility they don't keep it up.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 5, 2021 10:39:07 GMT -5
Since his first two games: .083/.185/.166 - OPS-plus of .351. Nostalgic about Franchy yet? But half of Santana's hits are home runs!
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Post by radiohix on Jun 5, 2021 10:51:45 GMT -5
Since his first two games: .083/.185/.166 - OPS-plus of .351. Nostalgic about Franchy yet? He got 36 PAs. You can't draw any conclusions from such a tiny sample size.
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Post by manfred on Jun 5, 2021 11:03:30 GMT -5
Since his first two games: .083/.185/.166 - OPS-plus of .351. Nostalgic about Franchy yet? He got 36 PAs. You can't draw any conclusions from such a tiny sample size. Except that other than his freakish 2018, his current numbers match 4 of the last 5 seasons he has played. I’m impressed by his athleticism and am cool giving him a shot, but Bloom seems to really like elite athlete/weak hit tool guys. Franchy, Santana, sounds like Valdez. If they think they can straighten them out, great. This far, results have been poor.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 5, 2021 11:17:41 GMT -5
I think you meant his 2019, not his 2018. Which was the last real season we had. I know you can't erase the past but it's easy to write off 2020, there was a lot of reason to believe Santana was a late bloomer and that his 2019 year was more indicative of his talent.
He's been mashing all year up until the last week. Players slump, I think we need to give him more than a week. That's fair.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 5, 2021 11:30:13 GMT -5
I think you meant his 2019, not his 2018. Which was the last real season we had. I know you can't erase the past but it's easy to write off 2020, there was a lot of reason to believe Santana was a late bloomer and that his 2019 year was more indicative of his talent. He's been mashing all year up until the last week. Players slump, I think we need to give him more than a week. That's fair. www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santada01.shtmlHe's in his 8 year in the big leagues. He's had two good years and six years of big negative to about nothing. I don't mind taking a chance hoping you hit 2014 or 2019. I don't for a second think he's a late bloomer though. He's a boom or bust low cost free agent signing.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jun 5, 2021 11:38:17 GMT -5
Santana has 2 options remaining but can he be optioned with 5+ yrs of service time? Would he have to clear waivers first?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 5, 2021 11:43:35 GMT -5
I think you meant his 2019, not his 2018. Which was the last real season we had. I know you can't erase the past but it's easy to write off 2020, there was a lot of reason to believe Santana was a late bloomer and that his 2019 year was more indicative of his talent. He's been mashing all year up until the last week. Players slump, I think we need to give him more than a week. That's fair. www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santada01.shtmlHe's in his 8 year in the big leagues. He's had two good years and six years of big negative to about nothing. I don't mind taking a chance hoping you hit 2014 or 2019. I don't for a second think he's a late bloomer though. He's a boom or bust low cost free agent signing. 511 plate appearances isn't exactly a small sample size and guys bloom late sometimes, it happens, it is reasonable to assume Santana could continue to hit well. I mean, you're probably right, he easily could be a bust here and it may be more reasonable to assume he can't replicate his 2019 season. My point was, he was brought here for depth to be the first guy up. That's what happened and he was hitting well in AAA before he got the call. He gets more than a week.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 5, 2021 11:44:43 GMT -5
If Santana is still laying eggs a month from now then things get very interesting. I think Franchy gets a second look first if he's still mashing in AAA.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 5, 2021 11:45:46 GMT -5
He got 36 PAs. You can't draw any conclusions from such a tiny sample size. Except that other than his freakish 2018, his current numbers match 4 of the last 5 seasons he has played. I’m impressed by his athleticism and am cool giving him a shot, but Bloom seems to really like elite athlete/weak hit tool guys. Franchy, Santana, sounds like Valdez. If they think they can straighten them out, great. This far, results have been poor. I'm with you n the Benintendi trade. They're kind of stuck now without an outfielder that can really platoon well with Renfroe. Unless the plan is for Duran to be that guy. Even then, we're what, at least a month away from that? By that point we'll have spent half the season with absolutely terrible production from that role, and that's before you even get to the fact Duran is a rookie.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 5, 2021 11:59:07 GMT -5
Here's the way I look at things, guys with tons of MLB experience mashing in AAA isn't equal to prospects that are younger with no MLB experience mashing in AAA. Lots of guys can mash AAA and stink in the majors, so much that they have a saying for them, AAAA players. Durans numbers in AAA mean a lot more than Santana and Cordero.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jun 13, 2021 13:10:47 GMT -5
How many AB’s does Santana get before the Sox move on from him?
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Post by telson13 on Jul 10, 2021 1:57:13 GMT -5
How many AB’s does Santana get before the Sox move on from him? Or, “why is Franchy hitting .360 with huge power in AAA?”
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 10, 2021 5:05:28 GMT -5
Franchy is learning 1B and his K rate is spiking again (Last 49 AB -> 43%). In the podcast they said he put up better at bats, but 43% in AAA doesn't bode well for the majors.
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