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Post by greenmonster on Jul 14, 2021 21:44:02 GMT -5
Has the corresponding move been announced?
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Post by Canseco on Jul 14, 2021 22:09:36 GMT -5
Has the corresponding move been announced? It would be nice if Bloom would DFA Marwin Gonzalez, but the more realistic casualty is probably Brice or Workman. How about getting Houck back up, too? That's the spot to DFA Brice, IMO.
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Post by pasadenasox on Jul 14, 2021 22:14:30 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather see Santana gone before Marwin. Brice is fine, too.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 14, 2021 22:24:20 GMT -5
Has the corresponding move been announced? It would be nice if Bloom would DFA Marwin Gonzalez, but the more realistic casualty is probably Brice or Workman. How about getting Houck back up, too? That's the spot to DFA Brice, IMO. I think Marwin might actually have some trade value to a contender. Not much but maybe a lottery ticket. LAD are going to need to make space for a bunch of minor league pitchers soon, so maybe we can get the pick of that litter...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 14, 2021 22:32:17 GMT -5
I believe they could IL Marwin for the roster spot and then DFA Andriese for the 40 man spot. Then Brice becomes the new Andriese.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 14, 2021 23:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jul 15, 2021 1:05:34 GMT -5
Congrats Jarren! Must be a special moment for him and his loved ones. As for where should he play, Arroyo and Kiké are playing some awesome defense at their respective positions and hitting, on the other hand.... Renfroe OPS May: .930 June: .884 July: .589 You keep Kiké in CF, move Verdugo to RF and put Duran in LF vs RHH imo
Bold prediction: Duran's 1st dinger will be off Taillon.
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Post by alan on Jul 15, 2021 3:32:35 GMT -5
Duran is hitting .321 against lefties but only has 3 homers, and hitting .248 against righties but has 12 homers. Is this an approach that could succeed against major league pitching?
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 4:05:25 GMT -5
Has the corresponding move been announced? They're about to play 18 straight days against the Yankees (8), Blue Jays (7), and Rays (3), ending the day after the trade deadline. No way they're going down to 13 pitchers.
Santana opens up spots on both the 26 and 40. That's a really obvious choice. In fact, I don't think this move was predicated at all on need, since Kiké is playing so well in CF on both sides of the ball. It's simply asking, 18 crucial games, is Duran on the roster a significant upgrade over Santana? Obviously yes.
Houck will be here very soon. Workman, Brice, or Rios TBD.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 4:19:35 GMT -5
Congrats Jarren! Must be a special moment for him and his loved ones. As for where should he play, Arroyo and Kiké are playing some awesome defense at their respective positions and hitting, on the other hand.... Renfroe OPSMay: .930 June: .884 July: .589 You keep Kiké in CF, move Verdugo to RF and put Duran in LF vs RHH imo Bold prediction: Duran's 1st dinger will be off Taillon. If Duran doesn't play CF, I'll be surprised. He has much more experience reading the ball off the bat there than in any corner. Like Verdugo, Kiké can play either corner.
Duran gives them an extra LHB against RHP, with the option of sitting / resting Renfroe, Dalbec, Arroyo, or Kiké. If Xander needs a day off in the middle of the 18 games, they could play Arroyo at SS and Kiké at 2B.
If they rest Dalbec ... Arroyo's a better defender at 2B and Kiké is an average defender at 1B while Arroyo has never played an inning there at any level.
I'm going to guess Duran debuts as the #8 or 9 hitter.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2021 5:24:15 GMT -5
It’s interesting that after losing 2 great defensive outfielders and another really good one over the past 2 years that the Red Sox have had one of the best defensive outfields in baseball so far this year. Hopefully, the changes do not affect that. Excited to see Duran.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2021 5:24:58 GMT -5
I would guess Duran bats 8th to start. I think Cora likes to stick 2 righties in between the 3 LH hitters he has, so Verdugo bats 2nd, Devers 5th, and Duran 8th. I think that changes if the Sox acquire a LH hitter to play 1b.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2021 6:45:36 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather see Santana gone before Marwin. Brice is fine, too. Santana is on the IL do you'd still need to option Chavis, which works I guess. I'm also not sure whether you can DFA a guy on the IL.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 15, 2021 7:01:18 GMT -5
The way Cora has put together lineups this year why not just bat him leadoff? If he comes up all gangbusters ROY style it's a win, if he struggles a little bit he's about as good as a Red Sox leadoff hitter.
While I was half kidding, after writing that last statement I realized I had a 6 weeks ago the state of mind, and Kiké has actually been a rather good leadoff hitter lately.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2021 7:30:16 GMT -5
The way Cora has put together lineups this year why not just bat him leadoff? If he comes up all gangbusters ROY style it's a win, if he struggles a little bit he's about as good as a Red Sox leadoff hitter. While I was half kidding, after writing that last statement I realized I had a 6 weeks ago the state of mind, and Kiké has actually been a rather good leadoff hitter lately. It’s nice to think managers actually decide the lineups versus the computers in the front office.
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2021 7:42:56 GMT -5
The way Cora has put together lineups this year why not just bat him leadoff? If he comes up all gangbusters ROY style it's a win, if he struggles a little bit he's about as good as a Red Sox leadoff hitter. While I was half kidding, after writing that last statement I realized I had a 6 weeks ago the state of mind, and Kiké has actually been a rather good leadoff hitter lately. It’s nice to think managers actually decide the lineups versus the computers in the front office. The computers would not have had the rotating cast of characters they’ve used at leadoff this year. That’s clearly been Cora’s call.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -5
It’s nice to think managers actually decide the lineups versus the computers in the front office. The computers would not have had the rotating cast of characters they’ve used at leadoff this year. That’s clearly been Cora’s call. Yea, I don’t think that’s so clear when you had a lineup built for players moving in and out of the lineup and the guys were batting so poorly. It’s fairly widely accepted that managers, at best, have very little leeway on lineups. When things aren’t working does he get a little more leeway? Probably, but the lineups are largely not the managers to make.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 15, 2021 8:40:35 GMT -5
“My guess is that Verdugo might get a day here or there as he has been scuffling” — Agree. I was at Sunday’s game vs. the Phillies when he swung at (and made outs on) the first pitch in three of his at-bats, including a huge moment with the bases loaded and two outs in the 8th inning. He just doesn’t seem right of late. I love watching him play and what he brings to the team, he just may need a little break.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 15, 2021 8:54:29 GMT -5
Prospect graduation is such sweet sorrow. LOL. Good Luck Jarren, the majors are calling !!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2021 10:51:27 GMT -5
It’s nice to think managers actually decide the lineups versus the computers in the front office. The computers would not have had the rotating cast of characters they’ve used at leadoff this year. That’s clearly been Cora’s call. Yeah, lineups are the manager's call. FO has input but that's generally not dispositive. Eric, I believe this is your cue.
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2021 11:30:48 GMT -5
The computers would not have had the rotating cast of characters they’ve used at leadoff this year. That’s clearly been Cora’s call. Yea, I don’t think that’s so clear when you had a lineup built for players moving in and out of the lineup and the guys were batting so poorly. It’s fairly widely accepted that managers, at best, have very little leeway on lineups. When things aren’t working does he get a little more leeway? Probably, but the lineups are largely not the managers to make. I don’t think that’s widely accepted at all. Many front offices provide feedback on lineup decisions, but most teams still have their manager make the final decision. See a few data points below. dodgersway.com/2020/04/17/dodgers-news-dave-roberts-front-office-lineup-decisions/theathletic.com/2139160/2020/10/15/cashman-boone-yankees/
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 14:00:35 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather see Santana gone before Marwin. Brice is fine, too. Santana is on the IL do you'd still need to option Chavis, which works I guess. I'm also not sure whether you can DFA a guy on the IL. Forgot about the IL. Hey, you've presumably got the Cubs fan page with all the roster rules bookmarked, not me! Let's look ...
Players on the IL cannot be outrighted, but can be traded or released outright. But since Santana can opt for free agency if outrighted, that's a moot restriction.
I expect Bloom to offer Santana for MLB minimum (or even for free) in return for a prospect or PTBNL (or cash). Try to grab someone more interesting than their old team realizes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2021 17:18:04 GMT -5
I can't imagine anyone is trading for Santana. He's waiver fodder at this point imo. Only question is whether they can do that before he gets healthy or not.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 15, 2021 17:44:32 GMT -5
The way Cora has put together lineups this year why not just bat him leadoff? If he comes up all gangbusters ROY style it's a win, if he struggles a little bit he's about as good as a Red Sox leadoff hitter. While I was half kidding, after writing that last statement I realized I had a 6 weeks ago the state of mind, and Kiké has actually been a rather good leadoff hitter lately. There is also the fact that batting leadoff is all he has done for a while. Pretty well in fact!
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 15, 2021 18:59:45 GMT -5
According to Ian Browne, MLB reporter, Duran was slated to bat seventh and play CF. Cora is quoted as saying that Duran will play against righties and some lefties. Kiké goes back to 2B. Arroyo is working out a 1B in addition to playing 2B when Kiké plays CF.
Cora also said that the Sox were going to protect Duran. And given both the circumstances and his willingness to mix and match, it would seem likely that Cora will not be putting out a set lineup from day to day.
Dalbec seems likely to see more bench time if Marwin and Arroyo are in the mix. Dalbec is hoping the Sox see a lot of lefties. Duran is not.
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