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Red Sox claim Travis Shaw off waivers
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 15, 2021 12:23:27 GMT -5
Edit: I was faster than vermontsox1. Is he okay?
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 15, 2021 12:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 12:42:30 GMT -5
Fascinating
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Post by unitspin on Aug 15, 2021 12:42:54 GMT -5
Edit: I was faster than vermontsox1. Is he okay? Now that's a small move that could pay dividends. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 15, 2021 12:43:51 GMT -5
Travis Shaw should be a good defensive 1B. The spreadsheets have him hitting about .220/.315/.415 going forward. Upgrades the Franchy spot
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Post by Jason on Aug 15, 2021 13:18:17 GMT -5
Seems like an absolute waste. Stats the last 3 years are worse than Cordero is doing this year. Just as soon give Munoz a shot.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 15, 2021 14:37:02 GMT -5
Shaw was rehabbing a shoulder injury with Nashville. He played 4 games the first week, 5 the second, then played just the first 2 games this week, sitting him the next 2, after hitting .273 / .415 / .485. They then put him on waivers yesterday, having decided they had no room for him on the MLB roster. The two days between deciding not to play him and deciding to waive him are puzzling, unless he actually had a very minor injury that kept him out of the lineup.
My guess as to the plan: Note that they have an extra position-player spot until they have to recall Houck for his start after the double-header. Shaw is more useful than Arauz, especially in NY, where he might take advantage of the short porch as a pinch-hitter. They very likely have some ideas about fixing his swing and can work on that until Houck needs to return. If it looks like he'll clear waivers at that point (which is the likeliest scenario, I think), they do it, and they sell him on working on the swing from now until the end of the Worcester season, with the promise that he'll be in the scrum for a post-season spot with Franchy and Munoz. If they fix him overnight, they option Franchy and worry about finding the extra 40-man spot later.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 15, 2021 14:38:11 GMT -5
...... the "Sox pick up Travis Shaw on waivers" thread?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2021 15:30:55 GMT -5
Shaw has been claimed off waivers from the Brewers.
This will require some movement.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 15, 2021 17:28:52 GMT -5
Shaw was rehabbing a shoulder injury with Nashville. He played 4 games the first week, 5 the second, then played just the first 2 games this week, sitting him the next 2, after hitting .273 / .415 / .485. They then put him on waivers yesterday, having decided they had no room for him on the MLB roster. The two days between deciding not to play him and deciding to waive him are puzzling, unless he actually had a very minor injury that kept him out of the lineup. My guess as to the plan: Note that they have an extra position-player spot until they have to recall Houck for his start after the double-header. Shaw is more useful than Arauz, especially in NY, where he might take advantage of the short porch as a pinch-hitter. They very likely have some ideas about fixing his swing and can work on that until Houck needs to return. If it looks like he'll clear waivers at that point (which is the likeliest scenario, I think), they do it, and they sell him on working on the swing from now until the end of the Worcester season, with the promise that he'll be in the scrum for a post-season spot with Franchy and Munoz. If they fix him overnight, they option Franchy and worry about finding the extra 40-man spot later.
So how is it they can fix Shaw's swing but haven't been able to fix Franchy's?? |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 15, 2021 17:39:20 GMT -5
Shaw was rehabbing a shoulder injury with Nashville. He played 4 games the first week, 5 the second, then played just the first 2 games this week, sitting him the next 2, after hitting .273 / .415 / .485. They then put him on waivers yesterday, having decided they had no room for him on the MLB roster. The two days between deciding not to play him and deciding to waive him are puzzling, unless he actually had a very minor injury that kept him out of the lineup.
My guess as to the plan: Note that they have an extra position-player spot until they have to recall Houck for his start after the double-header. Shaw is more useful than Arauz, especially in NY, where he might take advantage of the short porch as a pinch-hitter. They very likely have some ideas about fixing his swing and can work on that until Houck needs to return. If it looks like he'll clear waivers at that point (which is the likeliest scenario, I think), they do it, and they sell him on working on the swing from now until the end of the Worcester season, with the promise that he'll be in the scrum for a post-season spot with Franchy and Munoz. If they fix him overnight, they option Franchy and worry about finding the extra 40-man spot later.
Houck is not needed in the rotation until Tuesday, August 24th, or the day after. So that's 6 or 7 games that they can have both him and Franchy on the bench, if they think Franchy is more useful than Arauz (which I think is the case). |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:47:21 GMT -5
Shaw was rehabbing a shoulder injury with Nashville. He played 4 games the first week, 5 the second, then played just the first 2 games this week, sitting him the next 2, after hitting .273 / .415 / .485. They then put him on waivers yesterday, having decided they had no room for him on the MLB roster. The two days between deciding not to play him and deciding to waive him are puzzling, unless he actually had a very minor injury that kept him out of the lineup.
My guess as to the plan: Note that they have an extra position-player spot until they have to recall Houck for his start after the double-header. Shaw is more useful than Arauz, especially in NY, where he might take advantage of the short porch as a pinch-hitter. They very likely have some ideas about fixing his swing and can work on that until Houck needs to return. If it looks like he'll clear waivers at that point (which is the likeliest scenario, I think), they do it, and they sell him on working on the swing from now until the end of the Worcester season, with the promise that he'll be in the scrum for a post-season spot with Franchy and Munoz. If they fix him overnight, they option Franchy and worry about finding the extra 40-man spot later.
Houck is not needed in the rotation until Tuesday, August 24th, or the day after. So that's 6 or 7 games that they can have both him and Franchy on the bench, if they think Franchy is more useful than Arauz (which I think is the case). I believe that Houck will be the 27th man for the double-header day, then he'll "go back to Worcester" until he's eligible to come back to Boston (barring injury to someone else - Ottavino? - I think he has to wait 10 days from when he was sent down).
So, a very clever use of the double-header rule to have Houck off the roster for 10 days but still pitch in his regular rotation spot.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:50:10 GMT -5
Travis Shaw should be a good defensive 1B. The spreadsheets have him hitting about .220/.315/.415 going forward. Upgrades the Franchy spot I'll be pretty surprised if he doesn't push Franchy back to Worcester for the rest of the season. Veteran back-up replacing inexperienced back-up.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 15, 2021 19:37:44 GMT -5
Shaw was rehabbing a shoulder injury with Nashville. He played 4 games the first week, 5 the second, then played just the first 2 games this week, sitting him the next 2, after hitting .273 / .415 / .485. They then put him on waivers yesterday, having decided they had no room for him on the MLB roster. The two days between deciding not to play him and deciding to waive him are puzzling, unless he actually had a very minor injury that kept him out of the lineup. My guess as to the plan: Note that they have an extra position-player spot until they have to recall Houck for his start after the double-header. Shaw is more useful than Arauz, especially in NY, where he might take advantage of the short porch as a pinch-hitter. They very likely have some ideas about fixing his swing and can work on that until Houck needs to return. If it looks like he'll clear waivers at that point (which is the likeliest scenario, I think), they do it, and they sell him on working on the swing from now until the end of the Worcester season, with the promise that he'll be in the scrum for a post-season spot with Franchy and Munoz. If they fix him overnight, they option Franchy and worry about finding the extra 40-man spot later.
So how is it they can fix Shaw's swing but haven't been able to fix Franchy's?? The obvious answer would be that they are not same player. Also, the fact that Shaw has hit MLB pitching in the past, and going over his swing - i.e. what are its mechanics when he's going well - could potentially be beneficial (not zero) to the Red Sox. Lightning in the bottle has happened before. And more spaghetti thrown against the wall is not necessarily a bad move. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 15, 2021 19:46:55 GMT -5
Too bad Pomeranz is injured or else we can keep re-signing players to try and win trades.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2021 20:19:36 GMT -5
I view it as absolutely worst case, a defensive Franchy upgrade and another veteran presence.
It also gives us a few days to decide where he's at in his rehab. We could DFA him again.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 15, 2021 20:51:06 GMT -5
Is this really necessary ?  |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 16, 2021 0:20:12 GMT -5
The roster situation is very interesting here. There's room for everyone until suddenly there's a real squeeze.
After the Yankees series, they have off days on Monday and then Thursday. They could easily go with an 8-man pen (as they did today) for the three games against the Rangers, given that two of the guys are stretched out as starters.
But wait, there's more. Their 5th starter is currently optioned because (for the second time!) his next scheduled start is part of a doubleheader. So there's room for a five-man bench through the Rangers series.
Houck needs to be recalled to pitch on Tuesday, August 24th. Which is also the start of playing 16 straight days, and very likely, a 9 man pen for most of that time. That means a 3-man bench again.
Bur wait, there's even more. Arroyo starts his rehab on the 17th and likely either rejoins the team in the middle of the Rangers series ... or on the 24th.
What the roster math adds up to: unless there's another injury, there's room on the 3-man bench for only one of Shaw, Duran, and Franchy from the 24th to the end of the month. That includes the first two games of the crucial penultimate Rays series, in Tampa.
Franchy is a pretty obvious option, so it comes down to how Shaw performs in the six intervening games. And how much PT will he get?
The thing is, every team in MLB but the Rays, White Sox, Astros, and A's already passed on him. Passing him through waivers in another week would seem to be trivial. The only reason we were able to claim him was because we had a starting pitcher on option, creating an extra roster spot.
The only bad scenario here is that he shows just enough to interest one of those four teams, if in fact one of them has or develops a fungible roster spot at the time we would put him on waivers. If he shows enough to be claimed by teams that passed on him previously, then he can take Duran's roster spot for 8 games.
Meanwhile, in Shaw, Munoz, and Cordero they have a nice set of options for the last one or two post-season roster spots (the interesting choice being whether a 6th bench guy -- the second best of that group -- would be more useful than an 8th man in the pen. That obviously comes down to who their 8th best relief option is).
Note that I'm including DeShields on the post-season roster. There shouldn't be a problem getting both him and Shaw on that roster if neither is on the 40-man on 8/31. See the 40-man thread.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 16, 2021 0:42:12 GMT -5
I believe that if they put Mata on the 60 day, that would clear a path for DeShields and Shaw they could waive without having called him to Boston.
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 16, 2021 7:14:14 GMT -5
Some stats on a possible Dalbec/Shaw platoon
By now Dalbec is up to a respectable .309 wOBA .443 SLG
His expected stats are even a tad higher .318 xwOBA .467 xSLG
Sadly there is no expected data on splits, so:
vs R .355 wOBA 69 wRC+ (not nice)
vs L .276 wOBA 123 wRC+
Based on expected stats Shaw's OPS should be ~100 points higher than it is
.274 wOBA .337 SLG
.314 xwOBA .401 xSLG
Shaw's career splits
vs R .336 wOBA 107 wRC+
vs L .292 wOBA 78 wRC+
If Shaw can get anywhere near his career stats vs righties (which he hasn't done this season) we could have a decent platoon 1B.
Definitively worth a shot considering he didn't cost anything and just fell into our lap.
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Post by alan on Aug 16, 2021 7:52:04 GMT -5
Some stats on a possible Dalbec/Shaw platoon By now Dalbec is up to a respectable .284 OBP .443 SLG .727 OPS His expected stats are even a tad higher .318 xwOBA .467 xSLG .785 "xOPS" Sadly there is no expected data on splits, so: vs R .355 wOBA 69 wRC+ (not nice)vs L .276 wOBA 123 wRC+ Based on expected stats Shaw's OPS should be ~100 points higher than it is .279 OBP .337 SLG .616 OPS
.314 xwOBA .401 xSLG .715 "xOPS"
Shaw's career splits
vs R .336 wOBA 107 wRC+
vs L .292 wOBA 78 wRC+
If Shaw can get anywhere near his career stats vs righties (which he hasn't done this season) we could have a decent platoon 1B.
Definitively worth a shot considering he didn't cost anything and just fell into our lap.
I don't think wOBA or xwOBA is the same as OBP |
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 16, 2021 8:05:50 GMT -5
You are correct, I changed my original post from OBP to wOBA. Bottom line remains unchanged |
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 16, 2021 8:17:46 GMT -5
But where is Kyle Schwarber going to play if Shaw is at first base? Have they already given up pn the Schwarber to first idea? If so he has to go to Left ) or to DH with Martinez to DH) and that pushes Verogo to center and Duran to the bench. Is Shaw better than Duran? Or am I missing something?
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Post by nomar on Aug 16, 2021 8:29:36 GMT -5
But where is Kyle Schwarber going to play if Shaw is at first base? Have they already given up pn the Schwarber to first idea? If so he has to go to Left ) or to DH with Martinez to DH) and that pushes Verogo to center and Duran to the bench. Is Shaw better than Duran? Or am I missing something? When a baller like Travis Shaw is in the fold, you move everyone around for him. It’s his team now. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2021 8:51:36 GMT -5
But where is Kyle Schwarber going to play if Shaw is at first base? Have they already given up pn the Schwarber to first idea? If so he has to go to Left ) or to DH with Martinez to DH) and that pushes Verogo to center and Duran to the bench. Is Shaw better than Duran? Or am I missing something? I remember when the Sox acquired Merloni he scoffed at the idea of Schwarber actually playing 1b. He was sure the Sox would acquire a LH hitting 1b. He figured that against righties the Sox wanted Renfroe to play less and that against lefties they wanted Verdugo to play less. They wanted the ability to mix and match and rest players on occasion whether it was JDM or have the ability to sit down Duran if he was struggling. Then nothing happened and it was like, wow, they're going to have him play 1b having never played 1b before and with his injury issue? Then they bring him up with no 1b defense at AAA. They must have had an inkling they'd get a 1b? So Shaw is it and he costs nothing. That's the good news. The bad news he hasn't been good since 2018 which was quite awhile ago. I expect Shaw to play 1b a good deal although Dalbec got a longer leash with the hot streak he's been on. If Shaw tanks then we see more Dalbec. I now believe that Schwarber will play no 1b for the Red Sox. The one good thing Shaw definitely brings is he is a legit defensive 1b so I would at least, even if he's not hitting, expect to see him be their defensive late inning 1b unless Dalbec PHs for him. Of course Shaw's presence means that Franchy's immediate future with the Sox won't be in Boston. Cordero hasn't been a major league hitter this year. Don't know if Shaw is either to be honest, but they'll give him a chance. |
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